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Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.
Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:
Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.
  1. It's the player's fault.
  2. It's the reviewer's fault.
  3. It's the developer's fault.
  4. It's AMD's fault.
  5. It's the game's fault.
  6. It's the driver's fault.
  7. It's a system configuration issue.
  8. Wrong settings were tested.
  9. Wrong area was tested.
  10. Wrong games were tested.
  11. 4K is irrelevant.
  12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
  13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
  14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
  15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
  16. It's an anomaly.
  17. It's a console port.
  18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
  19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
  20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
  21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.
According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!
 
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The 4GB model would have been shelved ages ago. I was using more VRAM than that when i bought the card with texture packs and whatnot.
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I think Shadow of Mordor was the first game I played, that had an official high resolution texture pack that needed a 6GB card. I think I was using a GTX 970. Game is 11 years old. Shadow of War is 8 years old and needed an 8GB card for the hi res textures. Ray tracing and frame generation use vram, but here we are with 8GB cards being pimped for the features.

Seems Terra Ware is going to be the standard bearer in the crusade against 8GB.

Witcher 3 Enhanced is another game where you will run out of vram until you use correct settings® For the nth time; notice how it can take time to overflow the frame buffer. Traditional reviews are worthless where vram is concerned.

 
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W1z put more time and effort into selling you on buying a 5060 than he did on testing it. He gives per game recommendations based on bench passes so short as to be hardly considered to have occurred at all.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-5060-solo-8-gb/42.html
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Once again, the optimal scenario for the RTX 5060 is running at 1080p, with DLSS Transformer Quality upscaling. It will look great, and really render the game at 1280x720, which helps a lot to lower memory consumption.
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LOL. 720p in 2025.

Not sure where to post it but both Steve's did a couple of collaboration videos. I'm watching the second one now.

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Also, is he blaming Vulkan for a game crashing when it runs out of VRAM? I've never heard of such a thing. I've run out of VRAM running the latest Doom (also Vulkan and same engine I believe) and it didn't crash. That was running native, using FSR I haven't run out of VRAM. Sounds like a game problem. Or, more likely, and Nvidia problem. Maybe their awesome drivers aren't so awesome?
 
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Thunder 57 said:
LOL. 720p in 2025.
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Did you miss the section where he claims DLSS 4 is basically magic? You should read the comments section. Same shills shilling. Same trolls trolling. I like the post early on asking if he will give the game by game best settings advice for the AMD offering. Place your bets now on the chances that happens. If he doesn't do it, he is fully cooked as a legit reviewer. You can't explain that away logically. I am already done with him, his testing is garbage. Speaking of which: He is claiming the x8 isn't a problem without testing it. Not sus at all /s
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Not sure where to post it but both Steve's did a couple of collaboration videos. I'm watching the second one now.
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Aussie Steve focuses on the vram issues, and he ain't wrong. That could go here for certain.
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Also, is he blaming Vulkan for a game crashing when it runs out of VRAM? I've never heard of such a thing. I've run out of VRAM running the latest Doom (also Vulkan and same engine I believe) and it didn't crash. That was running native, using FSR I haven't run out of VRAM. Sounds like a game problem. Or, more likely, and Nvidia problem. Maybe their awesome drivers aren't so awesome?
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He is a shill. Tech Jeebus Steve was kidding about how Tim could get a Lamborghini from Nvidia. I picked up 2 things from that. 1. He has noticed the bad cop role Tim plays. And he is pointing out how Nvidia buys everyone off. That would be w1z; bought and paid for.
 
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Did you miss the section where he claims DLSS 4 is basically magic? You should read the comments section. Same shills shilling. Same trolls trolling. I like the post early on asking if he will give the game by game best settings advice for the AMD offering. Place your bets now on the chances that happens. If he doesn't do it, he is fully cooked as a legit reviewer. You can't explain that away logically. I am already done with him, his testing is garbage. Speaking of which: He is claiming the x8 isn't a problem without testing it. Not sus at all /s

Aussie Steve focuses on the vram issues, and he ain't wrong. That could go here for certain.

He is a shill. Tech Jeebus Steve was kidding about how Tim could get a Lamborghini from Nvidia. I picked up 2 things from that. 1. He has noticed the bad cop role Tim plays. And he is pointing out how Nvidia buys everyone off. That would be w1z; bought and paid for.
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I didn't read it all but I just read the DLSS part. It's straight out of Pravda.

We tested PCI-Express scaling of the RTX 5060 Ti 16 GB here. Once I have a bit more time, I'll run the RTX 5060 non-Ti 8 GB through the same tests.
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I'll believe it when I see it. Others have already done it. (Can we no longer post images?) Lose 10-15% because Nvidia wants to save $2. Not like many of these will be going into PCIe 5 systems.



Surprise surprise he only tested the 16GB model. Oh and the comments section is stupid for lack of a better word.
 
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DAPUNISHER said:
Did you miss the section where he claims DLSS 4 is basically magic? You should read the comments section. Same shills shilling. Same trolls trolling. I like the post early on asking if he will give the game by game best settings advice for the AMD offering. Place your bets now on the chances that happens. If he doesn't do it, he is fully cooked as a legit reviewer. You can't explain that away logically. I am already done with him, his testing is garbage. Speaking of which: He is claiming the x8 isn't a problem without testing it. Not sus at all /s

Aussie Steve focuses on the vram issues, and he ain't wrong. That could go here for certain.

He is a shill. Tech Jeebus Steve was kidding about how Tim could get a Lamborghini from Nvidia. I picked up 2 things from that. 1. He has noticed the bad cop role Tim plays. And he is pointing out how Nvidia buys everyone off. That would be w1z; bought and paid for.
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I forgot to mention the part about MFG. The way he talked about that being magic was cringe. At least he mentioned you need a decent framerate for it to be viable. Though I guess that falls under the DLSS 4 part as you mentioned.

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Wow, the comments.
There's NO competition at this tier ect ect.

Literally 7 maybe 8 days. The other one releases. 🤦‍♂️
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I read that and thought to myself "What a simp".

Another stupid line from the comments there:

Nvidia has always favored memory bandwidth over capacity, which seems to have worked pretty well for them compared to AMD who's done the opposite. And now Nvidia can even do both with 3GB chips on the Super refresh.
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Capacity is usually more important than bandwidth, at least for the past 5+ years.
 
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He is a shill. Tech Jeebus Steve was kidding about how Tim could get a Lamborghini from Nvidia. I picked up 2 things from that. 1. He has noticed the bad cop role Tim plays. And he is pointing out how Nvidia buys everyone off. That would be w1z; bought and paid for.
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Heh, I noticed the same. I saw that earlier and got a laugh along with them but not on the surface level they may have meant. Cough, amd fsr only starfield drama...cough.
 
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Did you miss the section where he claims DLSS 4 is basically magic? You should read the comments section. Same shills shilling. Same trolls trolling. I like the post early on asking if he will give the game by game best settings advice for the AMD offering. Place your bets now on the chances that happens. If he doesn't do it, he is fully cooked as a legit reviewer. You can't explain that away logically. I am already done with him, his testing is garbage. Speaking of which: He is claiming the x8 isn't a problem without testing it. Not sus at all /s

Aussie Steve focuses on the vram issues, and he ain't wrong. That could go here for certain.

He is a shill. Tech Jeebus Steve was kidding about how Tim could get a Lamborghini from Nvidia. I picked up 2 things from that. 1. He has noticed the bad cop role Tim plays. And he is pointing out how Nvidia buys everyone off. That would be w1z; bought and paid for.
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I’ve mentioned before but I stopped trusting tech powerup several years ago when W1z didn’t hide his bias at all in the forums. If memory serves, he had tested a game or a game in a review and used a new NV game ready driver for that game specifically which improved performance. However, he didn’t use the AMD game ready driver even though it was available. Someone in the forum asked why he wasn’t treating AMD the same as NV for that game and he basically just responded that AMD was incapable of making a quality product so it didn’t matter.
 
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Given that linked thread, there really are uh, devotees of the market leader as it were there. The path tracing thing keeps coming up. To paraphrase one commenter there, "well, if uh like you start using path tracing the 9070xt runs like a 5060ti instead of beating a 5080 in new Monster Hunter game. So there!"

I get being a contrarian but this just verges on wibble levels of bonkers. The real fun times will be who says what about the 9060xt next week. Plenty of people saying dont forget about AMD's 8gb cards! Yes, no one who is honest has forgotten about it and already called it out. But, path tracing!
 
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Ranulf said:
Given that linked thread, there really are uh, devotees of the market leader as it were there. The path tracing thing keeps coming up. To paraphrase one commenter there, "well, if uh like you start using path tracing the 9070xt runs like a 5060ti instead of beating a 5080 in new Monster Hunter game. So there!"

I get being a contrarian but this just verges on wibble levels of bonkers. The real fun times will be who says what about the 9060xt next week. Plenty of people saying dont forget about AMD's 8gb cards! Yes, no one who is honest has forgotten about it and already called it out. But, path tracing!
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One of the comments I saw read along the lines of "Now that AMD has made a great leap in RT, everyone is pushing PT now". It's always something.
 
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SS?
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Screen Shot.

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I feel like Justbenching and the guy at Loserbenchmark are the same. I know that isn't likely but holy hell, they say the same crap and hate AMD with a passion.
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justuserbenchmarking is a wannabe. The site owner is making too much bank to waste serious time on message boards.
 
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If you already bought an 8gb card many moons ago then its fine. You can reduce settings & adjust expectations.

But buying one now in 2025 is a trap. You'll be forced to upgrade in one or two years. That suits the GPU companies but not the gamers
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I think it was a trap in 2024 and probably in 2023 as well. We already have examples where an 8 GB card completely fails to run something that a 16 GB variant handles fine.

I still have an 8 GB card in my desktop, but it's one that I bought ~7-8 years ago. I'll upgrade once supply catches up with demand and we stop seeing silly scalper prices even from retailers, but I'm not getting anything less than a 16 GB card when I do.
 
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More great content from Rich at DF. In the initial testing the 5060 only holds up in 2077 because of where he tested and length of test pass. It still collapses in other games during that phase of testing. He cites how it would suffer where the other cards would not, in an older PCIe 3 system. The Nvidia focused suite is understandable as he is comparing the old flagship to the 5060.

 
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More great content from Rich at DF. In the initial testing the 5060 only holds up in 2077 because of where he tested and length of test pass. It still collapses in other games during that phase of testing. He cites how it would suffer where the other cards would not, in an older PCIe 3 system. The Nvidia focused suite is understandable as he is comparing the old flagship to the 5060.

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Just started reading

But brings back old memories

AMD internally labelled the Navi 22 (6700xt & 6750xt) as the nvidia (2080 super / 2080 ti) killer

Nvidia's RTX 2080 Ti revisited in 2025: seven years old - and it's still delivering

Nvidia's seven-year-old GPU flagship is still going strong. Digital Foundry stacks it up against today's new mainstream contender.
www.eurogamer.net
 
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