I had to search since I thought I said that somewhere, since I think I liked his book 12 Rules for Life ages ago, in fact so long ago I can’t remember much more than I thought it was ok.In that thread someone suggested that he produced insightful content in 2017, so I did a bit of browsing around and finally came to the conclusion that he's always been a bit of a nut.
Wait, who was trying to argue that dragons are real? J or R?
J. Some nonsense about the dragons being symbolic.Wait, who was trying to argue that dragons are real? J or R?
I hate how these clips are strung together, will try to find the discussionWait, who was trying to argue that dragons are real? J or R?
Could have been something to do with being placed into a medically induced coma in Russia so he wouldn't have to deal with the effects of withdrawal from his drug addiction? Per his daughter, he suffered neurological damage and could not type or walk for a time during his recovery.I had to search since I thought I said that somewhere, since I think I liked his book 12 Rules for Life ages ago, in fact so long ago I can’t remember much more than I thought it was ok.
With 5 pages of results, he certainly seems to be a controversial person. I suspect that he sort of went off the rails at some point and has been red pilled. I might revisit a sample of that book to review.
I restated an argument is different terms and asked if made better sense to you. The business of calling me weird perhaps you picked up as an old democratic campaign trick designed to call attention to how far from normal Trump has taken us. I wasn’t selling anything. I was making an effort to communicate ideas that I feel are motivationally resisted and therefore deserve walking an extra mile for. Doing so tells me two things, whether the person is interested in a dialogue or simply trying to make ego preserving points like calling me weird. I have only one aim here and that is to do the best job I can expressing my point of view.You’re selling me something now? Weird.
I decided to watch it for no other reason than to get some sense of people's objections. I can say that I did not see what you claimed to see. At the end of the video a few of the speakers including Peterson comment on what they experienced. His remarks did not indicate to me that he felt his ass was handed to him and the notion he was outwitted by smart college kids, isn't that your personal opinion? Can you give me an example where he used deflection tactics? In my view he was fully prepared to attempt to explain all of his positions. If you simply want to shit and leave it instead, that will be fine by me.I saw some of it. Got his ass handed to him by a bunch of smart college students.
He tried his deflection tactics. Didn’t work.
I restated an argument is different terms and asked if made better sense to you. The business of calling me weird perhaps you picked up as an old democratic campaign trick designed to call attention to how far from normal Trump has taken us. I wasn’t selling anything. I was making an effort to communicate ideas that I feel are motivationally resisted and therefore deserve walking an extra mile for. Doing so tells me two things, whether the person is interested in a dialogue or simply trying to make ego preserving points like calling me weird. I have only one aim here and that is to do the best job I can expressing my point of view.
The OP clip is when he got his ass handed to him.I decided to watch it for no other reason than to get some sense of people's objections. I can say that I did not see what you claimed to see. At the end of the video a few of the speakers including Peterson comment on what they experienced. His remarks did not indicate to me that he felt his ass was handed to him and the notion he was outwitted by smart college kids, isn't that your personal opinion? Can you give me an example where he used deflection tactics? In my view he was fully prepared to attempt to explain all of his positions. If you simply want to shit and leave it instead, that will be fine by me.
JP was so butt hurt he responds “im done with you”, lol.The OP clip is when he got his ass handed to him.
Edit: Sorry, the necro OP with the clip is post #13
JP was mentioned in another thread and I didn't want to de-rail that thread hence I created this one.
In that thread someone suggested that he produced insightful content in 2017, so I did a bit of browsing around and finally came to the conclusion that he's always been a bit of a nut.
I scan-read an article by The Guardian then decided that the best thing to do was to go straight to the source:
I sorted the videos by oldest first, and watched the first which mercifully is only 13 minutes long:Jordan B Peterson
Parenting premieres May 25th, only on DailyWire+. Jordan B. Peterson is a Canadian professor of psychology, clinical psychologist, YouTube personality, best-selling author and host of the #1 Education Podcast, "The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast." Watch the entirety of Dr. Peterson's catalog on...www.youtube.com
I didn't get far into it to be honest.
Please mount a defense of everything Peterson said to which you disagree. Take his side in a way the indicates you understand where he was coming from. Start stating the positives of arguing as an ex-atheist.The warning signs were "I'm an ex-atheist", "God created man and woman so everything divides into masculine and feminine and one needs the other to make a whole", "the patriarchy isn't a thing", "modern people don't think like this", and "women make men self-conscious" then I more or less gave up there. It comes across as a long ramble along the lines of "I found God, now I'm going to mash everything else I can think of into that belief", rather like the fear/love scale in the film 'Donnie Darko'.
More indications that your stereotyping were triggered.More warning signs IMO are vague topic titles and immensely long video clips like this gem here:
So he does not mind laws that prevent hate speech but will object to forced speech being ordered to use what he believes are not proper gender terms. Surely you would not mind being forced to say I am right.The Guardian summarised this clip as:
Oh my God you just used the term radical left diddums to you.To which my response is "diddums", and you know when someone is full of shit when they start unleashing terms like "the radical left".
Is that so. And why would I give a shit. I notice that whenever an argument requires a modicum of brain power to engage in many start screaming pseudo-intellectual bull shit. Every time I see somebody use the term pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Diddums to that.JP's style very much reminds me of other cranks I've seen on the Internet. One in particular was on a newsgroup or forum over twenty years ago and their signature said something like "Who is I?" followed by some apparently-random characters like "** QO RP I GB ZX** " as if inviting other users to explore the deep inner meaning to their pseudointellectual bullshit.
Yes yes, I am also open to persuasive argument and naturally I'm a world authority on what one should look like, I have 429 precise rules you will have to meet before you can qualify and being able to engage in one.I'm open to a persuasive argument but one thing I refuse to do is to watch a ~hour long YT clip with only vague justification for why I should potentially waste my time with it. The only time I'll watch hour-long video clips when the topic very much interests me. By all means quote a bit, or cite a few minutes of a clip.
ch33zw1z was so butt hurt he responded Sure MBJP was so butt hurt he responds “im done with you”, lol.
No, his charm is real and convincing to even supposedly discerning individuals like Bill Maher. I think liberals refuse to believe that.JP has a major streak of dishonesty. He commented several times that Trump is NOT a psychopath.
These comments emphasize his strong suit. He comes up with a word salad designed to convince people in something even he doesn't believe.
Here are the traits of a psychopath. You can conclude. IMO Trump meets all 20. Where do you disagree?
1. Superficial Charm & Charisma
Externaqlly, absolutely. Inwardly he has to have that need to keep from feeling he does not exist2. Unnecessary Cruelty or a Mean Streak
But only in the eyes of objective people, apparently a minority of the population for whom he is a God like truth teller.3. Lies, Exaggerations, & Dishonesty
Who has enabled that, but absolutely.4. Lack of Accountability & Playing the Blame Game
No question5. Need for Power, Control, & Dominance
Obviously6. Sadistic Enjoyment of Pain & Suffering
Self hate makes sitting still impossible. Let down your guard and your traumas might come into conscious awareness7. Boredom & Thrill-Seeking Behaviors
Victim mentality creates a sense of entitlement. Rules are for other people8. Disregard for Rules, Laws, & Norms
Absolutely not but driven to endlessly push the limits to reassure himself he is in control.9. Unaffected & Unafraid of Consequences
Anything but detached. It is front and center in his intentions10. Detached, Cold, & Callous Demeanor
So traumatized the slightest peep of protest would have gotten him killed11. A History of Childhood Behavior Problems
People are to be used for self aggrandizement and stepping stones for success12. A Trail of Short, Broken Relationships
The the maximum degree possible13. Exploitation of Others for Personal Gain
Of all the stupid and wrong kind14. Calculated & Strategic Planning
Shattered by hate and the need for revenge.15. A Lack of Conscience
Only in so far as a characteristic not a defect as such In many ways highly moral people who refuse to be corrupted think in odd ways compared to the norm.16. Abnormal Ways of Thinking
Asshole get new slights per minute they must get even for.17. Poor Attention Span & Loss of Interest
In proportion to the abuse taken in childhood18. Violent Tendencies, Abuse, or Aggression
Same reason19. Hostile & Oppositional by Nature
Nobody wants to the they are as they are is because of inculcated self hate One is only safe from the truth if nobody knows what it is. Denying the truth is job one for self haters.20. Masters of Deception
There is a score for this checklist
The checklist contains 20 items, each scored on a 3-point scale:
- 0 = Does not apply
- 1 = Applies somewhat
- 2 = Definitely applies
Scores range from 0 to 40, with a typical cutoff for psychopathy being:
- 30 or above in the U.S.
- 25–30 in some other countries or research settings
I score Trump a 52 and I skipped #11
And who doesn't think they know what reason is? What an empty statement.I think this quote from a review of his self-help book puts it well, and explains why one of our members is so enamored of him. Quoting: "If you go for Christian mythology, narrow-minded individualism, obscure metaphysics, and existentialist angst, then Jordan Peterson is the philosopher for you. But if you prefer evidence and reason, look elsewhere."
ch33zw1z was so butt hurt he responded Sure MB
Yes, this is the core of JPs argumentation. He did this with Matt Dillahunty when Matt was talking about well-being and the presupposition that life is preferable to death for the living from the standpoint of well-being. It was just silly. There's also a good illustration of his style at the beginning of that Some More News video mentioned above where he strawman's the shit out of the climate change argument. It's possible that he has valuable things to say in some area that he legitimately knows something about, but given his ready willingness to just abandon all pretense of ingenuousness and good faith I doubt it.
He said listening to his tape being played back.Lol, what a weird reply.
He said listening to his tape being played back.
What about his comment warranted that remark in your opinion. The term can imply self awareness of shame, seems to me. I'm no authority on the Adam and Eve thingi but I seem to remember hearing philosophical musings on the fig leaf. Just curious about your point.Thanks mikeymike! I've reconnected with an old friend, very smart, very politically savvy, who nevertheless went at least part way down the Jordan Peterson rabbit hole. JFC!
My fave from your OP was, "women make men self-conscious"
That's why I put him on ignore so long ago, almost any time I bother to check one of his posts, it's the same old "self hate" trip he's always pushing.oh wow, right in the feels…lol
You post the same stuff on repeat around here, so your reply is fantastic.
Well, as far as THAT goes, men "make" women self-conscious too. Remember your first date with a girl Moonie? How much time did you spend combing your hair just so? And how much time did your date spend picking out her outfit? . Nothing really deep here, just the trepidation and uncertainty of desire.What about his comment warranted that remark in your opinion. The term can imply self awareness of shame, seems to me. I'm no authority on the Adam and Eve thingi but I seem to remember hearing philosophical musings on the fig leaf. Just curious about your point.
If a donkey were to ask a name for its behavior would it not get the same answer every time. Tell me if I am wrong that you have withdrawn from a civil discussion of the differences we see except for the fact that your ego got caught at the door leaving a trail of spurious insults? Looks to me like your any intention you had to argue rationally evaporate in defeat as your intention was to make points and win god knows what when it became clear to you I wasn't playing that game. It seems to me you ran the moment you realized I was going to stand up and tell you what I think.oh wow, right in the feels…lol
You post the same stuff on repeat around here, so your reply is fantastic.
As I recall I was lucky enough to avoid all of that as it was clear and obvious that my first girlfriend had already fallen for me. But I clearly know the feelings you describe. How do I measure up. How do I allow myself to feel worthy of love as the fear is that the lover will soon see is that self hate equates to I don't really deserve to be loved. This is also why so many couples break up. They keep demanding proof they are loved and set more and more tests for the lover to pass finally turning the other person off with the needy demands.Well, as far as THAT goes, men "make" women self-conscious too. Remember your first date with a girl Moonie? How much time did you spend combing your hair just so? And how much time did your date spend picking out her outfit? . Nothing really deep here, just the trepidation and uncertainty of desire.