Why does my multimeter sometimes say zero when measuring the voltage on my car battery?

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Josh128

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Drives me nuts. I got a new battery installed in my car a couple weeks ago by AAA affiliated local company. Seems to be fine. Using two multimeters, one a Triplett (bought online, around $50) the other Ames (bought from Harbor Freight, not one of their cheapies), either often says 0.00 volts DC.

The Ames MM has V as AC/DC, either. The other I set at 20volts DC max.

Sometimes they do show the voltage. I got one today to say 12.63v for a bit. Or it goes immediately to 0.00 again. I have tried moving the dial back and forth between detents, thinking some contact(s) aren't making a good connection. That's worked sometimes. The other day pulling out the leads and reinserting has fixed the problem. Today, neither fixed the issue. I'm pressing the probes onto the top of the battery posts, which are clean metal and with force, of course.

I have a Fluke MM but am afraid to even try it thinking it may affect the device, but I assume it would work.

Is it that the battery has too much power?

AI is no help.
I can speak from experience the AMES is a piece of garbage. Harbor Freight garbage. You want a decent Chinese made meter at a decent price? Get a Klein.
 
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PowerEngineer

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While I am confident OP will eventually figure out why the voltmeters are reading zero, I want to point out that voltage readings will not tell you anything about the amount of charge. A shorted (or open) cell is the only problem that will show up as a significant voltage change.
 
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Muse

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I can speak from experience the AMES is a piece of garbage. Harbor Freight garbage. You want a decent Chinese made meter at a decent price? Get a Klein.
I ordered a Klein MM325 yesterday based on your suggestion. I think I've heard the Klein recommended before.
 

Muse

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While I am confident OP will eventually figure out why the voltmeters are reading zero, I want to point out that voltage readings will not tell you anything about the amount of charge. A shorted (or open) cell is the only problem that will show up as a significant voltage change.
I messed with the Ames MM yesterday and the reading was jumping all over the place, making no sense at all. Apparently the problem was where the leads plugged into the MM. Very loose and solid contact was not achieved. I have something similar going on with my 6qt Instant Pot. The plug doesn't make solid contact with the unit. It will actually turn off as if the plug was pulled while in the midst of "cooking." That's happened I think twice.
 
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Red Squirrel

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Something like this might be worth looking into:


Thinking about it for my truck. I'm just don't know if I trust a relay that's under $100 to be able to pass 100's of amps. When I looked them up on Digikey they were all several hundred bucks. But even if the contacts eventually wear out it should last long enough for the life of the vehicle at least. Saves from having to keep opening the hood up to shut off the battery.
 
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Muse

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Something like this might be worth looking into:


Thinking about it for my truck. I'm just don't know if I trust a relay that's under $100 to be able to pass 100's of amps. When I looked them up on Digikey they were all several hundred bucks. But even if the contacts eventually wear out it should last long enough for the life of the vehicle at least. Saves from having to keep opening the hood up to shut off the battery.
Disconnecting the battery means my clock starts at 12:00 when it's reconnected. AFAIK, all my radio presets are gone. That's no giant problem, but an inconvenience. I've never looked into it, but yeah, I guess a pretty serious relay would be involved. I think I saw a video a few weeks ago in which a guy said certain cars' problems can be resolved by removing power from the computer and disconnecting the battery would do that.
 

Josh128

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I ordered a Klein MM325 yesterday based on your suggestion. I think I've heard the Klein recommended before.
I have the CL800 and its been a fantastic meter for the price. The MM325 has similar good ratings, feature set is unbeatable at that price, should be a good meter for you. My $90 AMES clamp meter started giving me bunk readings on resistance and voltage just a couple years after I bought it, with very mild use. I still have it, was going to tear it down to see if I could locate the problem, but never got around to it.
 

Red Squirrel

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I ended up just buying a battery operated clock and stuck it on the dash. For the radio it is annoying but I live with it. The more annoying part is that the hvac defaults to OFF. So even if I set the heat to max, it will be off until I press the button and the truck has to be actually running for the setting to stick, can't just put it in accessory mode.

When I'm at work on night shift I usually end up going outside an hour before my shift to reconnect the battery so that when my cross shifter comes in I can just start it from inside but I found that the heat won't come on. When I initially go out to reconnect the battery I need to start it then turn the hvac on for the setting to stick.
 

BoomerD

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I have the CL800 and its been a fantastic meter for the price. The MM325 has similar good ratings, feature set is unbeatable at that price, should be a good meter for you. My $90 AMES clamp meter started giving me bunk readings on resistance and voltage just a couple years after I bought it, with very mild use. I still have it, was going to tear it down to see if I could locate the problem, but never got around to it.
Here...allow me...

 

pcgeek11

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Disconnecting the battery means my clock starts at 12:00 when it's reconnected. AFAIK, all my radio presets are gone. That's no giant problem, but an inconvenience. I've never looked into it, but yeah, I guess a pretty serious relay would be involved. I think I saw a video a few weeks ago in which a guy said certain cars' problems can be resolved by removing power from the computer and disconnecting the battery would do that.


Here is what fixes that.

 

NutBucket

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If his aim to reset the ECU, that won't help Alternatively, could just pull the fuse to reset the ECU.
 

Torn Mind

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If his aim to reset the ECU, that won't help Alternatively, could just pull the fuse to reset the ECU.
Depends. I know that disconnecting a battery on a Toyota Corolla resets most things, at least, as it has to re-learn idle.

However, a 1999 Ford Ranger seems to have a protocol where touching the negative and positive battery terminals are needed to fully reset something.
 

Torn Mind

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I have the CL800 and its been a fantastic meter for the price. The MM325 has similar good ratings, feature set is unbeatable at that price, should be a good meter for you. My $90 AMES clamp meter started giving me bunk readings on resistance and voltage just a couple years after I bought it, with very mild use. I still have it, was going to tear it down to see if I could locate the problem, but never got around to it.
Klein is the bare minimum and sufficient for car work.

I know because the cheapo HF meter was giving wrong numbers for crank position sensors but the Klein I had gave the right one. HF meter said it was out of spec when it was in spec.
 
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Torn Mind

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One, a AAA battery is likely made by East Penn, thus the quality is likely superior to that of Clarios(formerly Johnson Controls)

Two, individuals cells can be tested by peeling on the cap and sticking multimeter leads into the cells. The cells contain acid, so have a base like baking soda to neutralize the leads after "the dip".

A multimeter set to measure volts will not be harmed measuring voltage....use the Fluke. Ames is Harbor Freight, which is only good for kiddie projects.
Drives me nuts. I got a new battery installed in my car a couple weeks ago by AAA affiliated local company. Seems to be fine. Using two multimeters, one a Triplett (bought online, around $50) the other Ames (bought from Harbor Freight, not one of their cheapies), either often says 0.00 volts DC.

The Ames MM has V as AC/DC, either. The other I set at 20volts DC max.

Sometimes they do show the voltage. I got one today to say 12.63v for a bit. Or it goes immediately to 0.00 again. I have tried moving the dial back and forth between detents, thinking some contact(s) aren't making a good connection. That's worked sometimes. The other day pulling out the leads and reinserting has fixed the problem. Today, neither fixed the issue. I'm pressing the probes onto the top of the battery posts, which are clean metal and with force, of course.

I have a Fluke MM but am afraid to even try it thinking it may affect the device, but I assume it would work.

Is it that the battery has too much power?

AI is no help.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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One, a AAA battery is likely made by East Penn, thus the quality is likely superior to that of Clarios(formerly Johnson Controls)

Two, individuals cells can be tested by peeling on the cap and sticking multimeter leads into the cells. The cells contain acid, so have a base like baking soda to neutralize the leads after "the dip".

A multimeter set to measure volts will not be harmed measuring voltage....use the Fluke. Ames is Harbor Freight, which is only good for kiddie projects.
I had to double take your first sentence there. When I see AAA battery I think of my Eneloops or alkalines. You're talking about car batteries supplied through AAA service! Yes, I did some research a few weeks ago when my battery died. I was debating the AAA supplied battery or going to some outfit around here and decided on AAA. I think it was a good enough decision. Could have saved maybe $40-50 elsewhere but the quality was a question mark. The battery I had before the last one lasted 8 1/2 years! The last one a bit over 3 years. It was a Duracell, I think, but maybe not very good.
 

Torn Mind

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Plain Duracell is probably a lower tier East Penn battery, designed to reach Sam's Club's price point.

That just goes to show how prior experiences can shape interpretation or one's understanding of a passage of writing. Might be a bit too young for you, but Yu-gi-oh Vrains has basically turned many computer terms into trading cards. Quick Launch or Boot Sector Launch will trigger an "understanding" when a geek sees it compared to a non-techie, who would hear it as just weird mumbo jumbo.

I own a BatteryMinder 2012, and I do swear it does have something to maintain or "restore" batteries very well. It was hooked up continuously to a AAA battery I have(got from junkyard) and it kept it fresh over a 2-3 years' worth of trickle charging.
 

Muse

Lifer
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Plain Duracell is probably a lower tier East Penn battery, designed to reach Sam's Club's price point.

That just goes to show how prior experiences can shape interpretation or one's understanding of a passage of writing. Might be a bit too young for you, but Yu-gi-oh Vrains has basically turned many computer terms into trading cards. Quick Launch or Boot Sector Launch will trigger an "understanding" when a geek sees it compared to a non-techie, who would hear it as just weird mumbo jumbo.

I own a BatteryMinder 2012, and I do swear it does have something to maintain or "restore" batteries very well. It was hooked up continuously to a AAA battery I have(got from junkyard) and it kept it fresh over a 2-3 years' worth of trickle charging.
Besides the ~$30 Kragen bought car battery maintenance charger I have bought a few of the cheapo Harbor Freight gizmos (in the neighborhood of $5). The Kragen is much stronger and is preferred to bring up the charge if low. But if the battery isn't really low, the Harbor Freight will keep the charge up if the car sits unused, which is sometimes the case with my car if I am not playing golf and don't have need to go to Costco or some other task(s) requiring my car.

Yes, I think the Duracell car battery I just replaced was likely a relatively poor one. I shopped price at the time. I was thinking I needed a 58R (difficult to find and particularly at a good price) because that's what I had in there at some point. Looking at the owner manual a couple weeks ago I saw that they made no mention of the 58R. There are other batteries that fit. Maybe don't fit as well, but fit anyway the space and enclosure and will supply what's necessary and moreover are easier to find! The guy AAA sent to me didn't have a 58R but assured me that the battery he would install would work out: a 35N-C .
 
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Red Squirrel

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I've come to the conclusion that when you buy a Duracell battery what you're REALLY buying is the electrolyte and the container has a time release mechanism that will let it out at a random time. I've even had some leak while still inside the original packaging.
 

Muse

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I've come to the conclusion that when you buy a Duracell battery what you're REALLY buying is the electrolyte and the container has a time release mechanism that will let it out at a random time. I've even had some leak while still inside the original packaging.
Yeah, the guy who replaced mine a few weeks ago showed me where it was leaking acid!
 
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