GOP Senator says the quiet part out loud about Medicaid cuts. "Well, we all are going to die"

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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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It's barely a blip on the news.

It didn't move the needle AT ALL in 2024.

It's over as an issue that will swing elections. It blunted Dem losses in 2022 and that was it.

This will get wall to wall coverage on Fox how this is destroying America though..

 
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K1052

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That is all she said over payments an Illegal immigrants getting payments. And no I don't know how widespread this is. Any is too much.

Lying?
You base this on the ones saying it are in the GOP.

The house bill is at least an 800B cut to Medicaid via increased administrative burdens which have been proven to do jack shit except prevent paying out for coverage.

There is not a nearly trillion dollars worth of illegals accessing a program they cannot access in the first place. When somebody pisses in your face and says it’s raining you don’t have to believe them.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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The house bill is at least an 800B cut to Medicaid via increased administrative burdens which have been proven to do jack shit except prevent paying out for coverage.

There is not a nearly trillion dollars worth of illegals accessing a program they cannot access in the first place. When somebody pisses in your face and says it’s raining you don’t have to believe them.

It's hilarious how we keep engaging with a troll like him.

And if you do what he does here on any right wing forum or what you think is a reasonable forum you're immediately banned for "trying to get around facts with misinformative propaganda".

Yep seriously.. I got banned from Visa Journey forum for exactly that while discussing thing about immigration! Apparently to the mods there.. Zelensky not wearing a shirt and tie in the oval is a more important matter..

I don't know why we put up with people like this..
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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From the article:



She isn't wrong. Nobody gets out alive...

I have no issues with making corrections to stop over payments and illegals receiving benefits.
We know you would sink an entire ship coming into the US if it contained 10% illegals. Your M.O.

And then find an equal number of white people from South Africa to replace them with your privilege card.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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CMS (Center for medicare and Medicaid Services) and the states are responsible for program integrity and verifying eligibility, particularly for Medicaid.
But they already do that. Do you suspect that with budgetary cuts, they'll be able to do it harder?

How many organizations are you aware of that function better with less funding?
 
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ivwshane

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From the article:



She isn't wrong. Nobody gets out alive...

I have no issues with making corrections to stop over payments and illegals receiving benefits.

You have no issues, including no proof of such things happening that’s not already caught by our existing checks because you aren’t a critical thinker.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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Rational people should go about examining the pros and cons of every action they take.

Regardless of the pros of stopping payments that are being made incorrectly, I'd like to think that our politicians would at least acknowledge that the possibility that "people are going to die" as a con. Saying "well, we are all going to die" pretty clearly indicates that she does not see it as a con.

Are you really comfortable with this?

Absolutely he is.

Conservative thinking: preventing any crime from happening at the expense of millions of people is ok.

Liberal thinking: taking care of millions of people is ok if it means there will be a small amount of those committing crimes/fraud.

One side ignores human nature and reality to achieve and unachievable goal while the other acknowledges reality.
 

IronWing

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I understand that improper payments are not always fraud or abuse. A lot of the time it is administrative documentation issues. I don't see where you get the "low single digits" from. Either way it needs to be corrected.

As for the millions getting thrown off health care it is because they are ineligible for medicare / medicaid. That is what the goal is remove those that do not qualify.
Who, in your estimation, should be denied medical care?
 
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DZero

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Literally wants to destroy the medical jobs since they will promote the AI and robotics massively in order to not to depends on doctors. That's dark, hella dark.
 

outriding

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CMS (Center for medicare and Medicaid Services) and the states are responsible for program integrity and verifying eligibility, particularly for Medicaid.

How in the fuck is CMS is going to check for integrity when they are being cut
 

trenchfoot

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Only winners get to write the history books.

The sad part about that is that even losers like Trump can win given enough cash and influence from the untouchables over at the Federalist Society the Heritage Foundation and the financial blessings of the world's richest man. As far as that "winner" is concerned though, for the amount of damage he's been/is wreaking on the nation and the world, there's no rewriting of history that's going to cover up what he's been up to. There's just too much incontrovertible evidence against him and the party he leads to bury deep enough. Dick Cheney found out the hard way that once he left office, the immunity and sheltering it gave him evaporated thus exposing him to the wrath of the public domain. His attempt at rewriting history in his and Bush's favor post-tenure was an abject failure on his/their part.

It's much like how the conservatives of the nation want to ban books and other media that speaks to the racism, the misogyny and those other events that point to their sordid behavior from both an historical and present day perspective. That didn't work because well, again, there's just too much evidence to ignore and will away. The Trump era "winnings" are temporary. He and his supporters can try to bend and repurpose the truth of their motives and accomplishments all they like. However, once they lose their grip on the gov't, the truth will prevail.
 

nickqt

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For conservatives, the following statements about supporting policies are true.

1. The policy doesn't negatively effect me or my immediate loved ones and it hurts people I don't identify with = conservatives support it, also it's "freedom".

2. The policy doesn't positively effect me or my immediate loved ones and it helps people I don't identify with = conservatives don't support it, also it's "socialism".

Apply these two statements to any policy anywhere and it will hold true for any conservative. They might as well be considered laws of conservative policy approval. There's probably a zeroth law that can be sussed out.

Perhaps 0. is Fuck you got mine = "' 'Merica".
 

VRAMdemon

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OMG! Obama and his "death panels"! Every accusation is a confession.

Hey Joni! ...Now tell us all about your own Gold Premium health care you get at the expense of taxpayers.

LET THEM EAT TACOS!

- Marie (Joni) Trumpoinette

If your argument is "we're all going to die," you might belong to a fascist death cult.
 

Indus

Lifer
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Given your posting history, I cannot tell if you are serious.
Do you feel Republicans benefit when they directly tell voters to !@#$ off and die?

Well on this I agree with him..

Because Trump told them exactly what he would do, they voted for it and 47% of the country still thinks they're benefitting. They just don't care.. they think it benefits them because it hurts the others they don't like more.

The MAGA regrets vids are like one grain of sand on a beach.

And you know as well as I do.. Ernst and Grassley will win re-election!
 

fskimospy

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It's barely a blip on the news.

It didn't move the needle AT ALL in 2024.

It's over as an issue that will swing elections. It blunted Dem losses in 2022 and that was it.
Now remember when you view this guy’s predictions that he thought Democrats would lose races they won by 40+ points so when he talks about ‘blunting losses’ as compared to his baseline we are talking about like a 40 point swing.

The lesson from this is not that a swing will be that big but that this guy has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about and is living some sort of oppression fetish.
 

dank69

Lifer
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For conservatives, the following statements about supporting policies are true.

1. The policy doesn't negatively effect me or my immediate loved ones and it hurts people I don't identify with = conservatives support it, also it's "freedom".

2. The policy doesn't positively effect me or my immediate loved ones and it helps people I don't identify with = conservatives don't support it, also it's "socialism".

Apply these two statements to any policy anywhere and it will hold true for any conservative. They might as well be considered laws of conservative policy approval. There's probably a zeroth law that can be sussed out.

Perhaps 0. is Fuck you got mine = "' 'Merica".
You can eliminate the first parts of both statements:

1. The policy hurts people I don't identify with = conservatives support it, also it's "freedom".

2. The policy helps people I don't identify with = conservatives don't support it, also it's "socialism".

They don't give a fuck if it hurts them personally or helps them personally, or anyone they know. When a policy hurts them, they'll publicly ask Daddy Trump to fix it. Then, when they're told that Trump and the GOP did it, they'll tell themselves "it is good for the nation" and/or that Democrats made them do it.
 

nickqt

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You can eliminate the first parts of both statements:

1. The policy hurts people I don't identify with = conservatives support it, also it's "freedom".

2. The policy helps people I don't identify with = conservatives don't support it, also it's "socialism".

They don't give a fuck if it hurts them personally or helps them personally, or anyone they know. When a policy hurts them, they'll publicly ask Daddy Trump to fix it. Then, when they're told that Trump and the GOP did it, they'll tell themselves "it is good for the nation" and/or that Democrats made them do it.
Disagree. Look at People like Dick Cheney. Gay marriage was for America-haters until his daughter came out.

Look at LiberalParodyTroll who has been very vocal on here about how he wants taxpayer funded healthcare because his body hates him and wants to kill him.

They support or don't care about policy that hurts other people, or are against policy that helps other people...until they are specifically affected, then they change their minds.

They lack empathy for people other than themselves or their immediate loved ones, which is what makes them inherently terrible people who usually cling to religion to pretend to be moral, since inherently they are amoral at best, and more likely immoral and only adopt morals when those morals personally benefit themselves.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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Certainly is an interesting take on the old "death and taxes" cliche.

Modern GQP: "We want people on medicaid to die so we can cut taxes on the wealthy"

There, just did the DSCC/etc ad campaign for the next ~18 months.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Disagree. Look at People like Dick Cheney. Gay marriage was for America-haters until his daughter came out.

Look at LiberalParodyTroll who has been very vocal on here about how he wants taxpayer funded healthcare because his body hates him and wants to kill him.

They support or don't care about policy that hurts other people, or are against policy that helps other people...until they are specifically affected, then they change their minds.

They lack empathy for people other than themselves or their immediate loved ones, which is what makes them inherently terrible people who usually cling to religion to pretend to be moral, since inherently they are amoral at best, and more likely immoral and only adopt morals when those morals personally benefit themselves.
Sure some of the old school might change, but a lot of the new school is ride or die, and not afraid to die. Look at the polio parents with dead kids still refusing to vaccinate their still alive kids.
 
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