Suspicion about Shari Redstone of CBS

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nakedfrog

No Lifer
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Selling out 60 Minutes was unforgiveable. Caving to Trump on it a sin. Is there any mainstream media with guts now? Where/what are the bastions of resistance going forward?
I suppose they're not big enough to be "mainstream" but my money goes to Wired, Vox, and Mother Jones.
 
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Muse

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I suppose they're not big enough to be "mainstream" but my money goes to Wired, Vox, and Mother Jones.
I read Robert Reich's substack sometimes, get emails almost daily. The New York Times has some good pieces, especially "Opinion" pieces and the comments are by and large by engaged readers. I balked on resubscribing a couple years ago and was offered a much cheaper subscription, $5/mo. They bumped it to $8 at some point, didn't notice when or how. I suppose Bluesky, a lot of it, is OK. I watch some YT videos, pick and choose, don't give in to curiosity about viewpoints I figure I won't like partly because their algorithms would then tweak me to the right.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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I read Robert Reich's substack sometimes, get emails almost daily. The New York Times has some good pieces, especially "Opinion" pieces and the comments are by and large by engaged readers. I balked on resubscribing a couple years ago and was offered a much cheaper subscription, $5/mo. They bumped it to $8 at some point, didn't notice when or how. I suppose Bluesky, a lot of it, is OK. I watch some YT videos, pick and choose, don't give in to curiosity about viewpoints I figure I won't like partly because their algorithms would then tweak me to the right.
Oh, I'm just specifying the places to which I actually give money to support their work, I consume media beyond them.
You can just open videos you don't want to pollute your algorithm by them watching in a private/incognito window, then it won't sully your individual feed.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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Oh, I'm just specifying the places to which I actually give money to support their work, I consume media beyond them.
You can just open videos you don't want to pollute your algorithm by them watching in a private/incognito window, then it won't sully your individual feed.
Yeah, I figured you were maybe saying that. Thanks for the tip. I wonder if using Brave would do the same thing. I do that sometimes to avoid YT ads. Uh, I guess not, AI says this:

Using Brave to watch YouTube videos will not prevent the YouTube algorithm from personalizing your recommendations based on your viewing history. While Brave does block ads and some trackers, YouTube still uses cookies and other techniques to track your activity.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
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Yeah, I figured you were maybe saying that. Thanks for the tip. I wonder if using Brave would do the same thing. I do that sometimes to avoid YT ads.
As long as you aren't currently logged into Gmail/YouTube in Brave, it should.
 

Muse

Lifer
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As long as you aren't currently logged into Gmail/YouTube in Brave, it should.
Well, AI said this:

Using Brave to watch YouTube videos will not prevent the YouTube algorithm from personalizing your recommendations based on your viewing history. While Brave does block ads and some trackers, YouTube still uses cookies and other techniques to track your activity.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Well, AI said this:

Using Brave to watch YouTube videos will not prevent the YouTube algorithm from personalizing your recommendations based on your viewing history. While Brave does block ads and some trackers, YouTube still uses cookies and other techniques to track your activity.
Not sure why you bothered wasting AI resources, I can 100% guarantee that if you just open the videos in a private/incognito window, it will not impact your algorithm.
I've curated multiple independent YouTube feeds for years, I know how to do it.
 
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Torn Mind

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Redstone seemed to easy to settle with the Trump regime, and I didn't see clearly any indications of her real political orientation. On the other hand, this could all be about being between a rock and a hard place for completing a merger with Paramount.

Academic institutions and media are under assault by Trump. Personally, having seen Harris in other media venues, having followed her media presence and political history for a long time, I couldn't see how CBS could make her look better than she was. It really seems like an absurd basis for a lawsuit, and Redstone, with other CBS officials, seems too easy to cave.

On a slightly different front, there is rumor that Trump had long ago applied to Harvard in hopes of attending there, and was turned down. This was the same pattern as Trump the college-hopeful in his unsuccessful application to USC, although that's just one additional reason Trump has a bias against California.
CBS is trying to settle so that the facts do not come out. Settlements do not make findings on the merits. And perhaps most importantly, settling now means avoiding discovery; where the garbage gets dragged out of the dump.

CBS doesn't need to settle if it is confident it will prevail on a preliminary motion to dismiss. Such motions are intended to show a complaint is not even capable of being brought to trial or even summary judgment and doing discovery.
 
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brycejones

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CBS is trying to settle so that the facts do not come out. Settlements do not make findings on the merits. And perhaps most importantly, settling now means avoiding discovery; where the garbage gets dragged out of the dump.

CBS doesn't need to settle if it is confident it will prevail on a preliminary motion to dismiss. Such motions are intended to show a complaint is not even capable of being brought to trial or even summary judgment and doing discovery.
Oh this is just fucking pants on head crazy.
 

Muse

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CBS is trying to settle so that the facts do not come out. Settlements do not make findings on the merits. And perhaps most importantly, settling now means avoiding discovery; where the garbage gets dragged out of the dump.

CBS doesn't need to settle if it is confident it will prevail on a preliminary motion to dismiss. Such motions are intended to show a complaint is not even capable of being brought to trial or even summary judgment and doing discovery.
Evidently Redstone (Paramount, parent company of CBS) is willing to settle not because they're worried about discovery of garbage, etc. Even if they prevailed and it was thrown out of court they would have Trump's ire. Their worry is that the merger they want will be nixed by the Trump administration. So, they figure that forking over $30M to settle is the price of doing business with Trump. AFAIK, that's what this all amounts to. It's basically extortion. Trump plays dirty
 

Torn Mind

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Oh this is just fucking pants on head crazy.
A failure to state a claim has ended many cases with insufficient pleadings. No settlement is needed if a such a motion is granted with prejudice; it would be a complete victory because there is nothing the legal system can even try to grant.
 

brycejones

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A failure to state a claim has ended many cases with insufficient pleadings. No settlement is needed if a such a motion is granted with prejudice; it would be a complete victory because there is nothing the legal system can even try to grant.
No shit Sherlock. Now can you for a moment imagine why someone with business before the government controlled by a man known for using his position for personal gain would not make such a motion?
 

Josh128

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Not to mention, broadcast based businesses are basically a dinosaur at this point. Just watching the asteroid on its way down.
Which is completely due to the ignorance of the masses who dont realize that you can get 20+ channels of HD content, PBS, local news, and the big 4 broadcast networks for free with a simple outside antenna connected to your TV. Add a no-subscription-required OTA DVR device like Tablo and you can pause, record, and stream to every smart device in your house. Spend about $200-$300 for an initial setup like this and TV is free for the rest of your life.

But no, due to technical ignorance of todays "tech savvy" people, you dont have TV unless you have NFlix, Prime, AppleTV, etc. etc. Pay, pay, pay, every month, for the rest of your life. And, pretty soon, like you said, they will start to shut down terrestrial broadcast towers and that will be the only choice, as if we arent nickel and dime'd enough for everything already as it is.
 
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Pens1566

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Which is completely due to the ignorance of the masses who dont realize that you can get 20+ channels of HD content, PBS, local news, and the big 4 broadcast networks for free with a simple outside antenna connected to your TV. Add a no-subscription-required OTA DVR device like Tablo and you can pause, record, and stream to every smart device in your house. Spend about $200-$300 for an initial setup like this and TV is free for the rest of your life.

But no, due to technical ignorance of todays "tech savvy" people, you dont have TV unless you have NFlix, Prime, AppleTV, etc. etc. Pay, pay, pay, every month, for the rest of your life. And, pretty soon, like you said, they will start to shut down terrestrial broadcast towers and that will be the only choice, as if we arent nickel and dime'd enough for everything already as it is.

Assuming you live within range of those signals ... not always the case. And it doesn't account for producers using exclusivity of certain distribution methods either.

Calling it "completely" due to that is probably not really that accurate.
 
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fskimospy

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CBS is trying to settle so that the facts do not come out. Settlements do not make findings on the merits. And perhaps most importantly, settling now means avoiding discovery; where the garbage gets dragged out of the dump.

CBS doesn't need to settle if it is confident it will prevail on a preliminary motion to dismiss. Such motions are intended to show a complaint is not even capable of being brought to trial or even summary judgment and doing discovery.
Or the far more obvious reason, as stated in the Wall St. Journal, that Trump officials have made bribing him a requirement for concluding their merger.

I don't know if you're too steeped in ultra right wing media to notice but the president is actively soliciting bribes from around the world and this is ongoing.
 

Torn Mind

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Evidently Redstone (Paramount, parent company of CBS) is willing to settle not because they're worried about discovery of garbage, etc. Even if they prevailed and it was thrown out of court they would have Trump's ire. Their worry is that the merger they want will be nixed by the Trump administration. So, they figure that forking over $30M to settle is the price of doing business with Trump. AFAIK, that's what this all amounts to. It's basically extortion. Trump plays dirty
Oh, so they're going to offer money even if they prevail on this case? Or is tgat for the FCC investigation? Settlements are not casual matters. There's paperwork to make sure the agreement isn't breached for this particular case.

Like I care about the whims of a news company, especially CBS when my outlook has been soured by The Insider....not a good look in that film regarding cigarettes

The MTD deadlines are approaching as CBS has already submitted them

You seem to think I meant discovery in the colloquial sense. Discovery is a part of the process. The answers to interrogatories, depositions, production of documents happen at that point. All non-privileged communications can be extracted out during it.

You can say Trump might be doing the tort of "abuse of process", but it's not extortion if a violation of law is alleged sufficiently; and the preliminary motion stage is the place to test sufficiency of complaints and whether further resources should be spent on the case.
 

fskimospy

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Oh, so they're going to offer money even if they prevail on this case? Or is tgat for the FCC investigation? Settlements are not casual matters. There's paperwork to make sure the agreement isn't breached for this particular case.

Like I care about the whims of a news company, especially CBS when my outlook has been soured by The Insider....not a good look in that film regarding cigarettes

The MTD deadlines are approaching as CBS has already submitted them

You seem to think I meant discovery in the colloquial sense. Discovery is a part of the process. The answers to interrogatories, depositions, production of documents happen at that point. All non-privileged communications can be extracted out during it.

You can say Trump might be doing the tort of "abuse of process", but it's not extortion if a violation of law is alleged sufficiently; and the preliminary motion stage is the place to test sufficiency of complaints and whether further resources should be spent on the case.
CBS will 100% prevail in this case if it goes to trial - it's not even close. First, the only injury Trump can muster is that (literally, lol) seeing the interview made him sad. Obviously he has no injury in reality.

I mean is the idea that I can sue Fox News for $20 billion because watching their crap makes me angry?
 

Muse

Lifer
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Oh, so they're going to offer money even if they prevail on this case? Or is tgat for the FCC investigation? Settlements are not casual matters. There's paperwork to make sure the agreement isn't breached for this particular case.

Like I care about the whims of a news company, especially CBS when my outlook has been soured by The Insider....not a good look in that film regarding cigarettes

The MTD deadlines are approaching as CBS has already submitted them

You seem to think I meant discovery in the colloquial sense. Discovery is a part of the process. The answers to interrogatories, depositions, production of documents happen at that point. All non-privileged communications can be extracted out during it.

You can say Trump might be doing the tort of "abuse of process", but it's not extortion if a violation of law is alleged sufficiently; and the preliminary motion stage is the place to test sufficiency of complaints and whether further resources should be spent on the case.
You don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Trump's mafia style controlling instincts are the stink that can't be missed. Redstone smells it just like everybody else.
 

Muse

Lifer
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CBS will 100% prevail in this case if it goes to trial - it's not even close. First, the only injury Trump can muster is that (literally, lol) seeing the interview made him sad. Obviously he has no injury in reality.

I mean is the idea that I can sue Fox News for $20 billion because watching their crap makes me angry?
I thought CBS had already settled out of court with their $30M handover.
 
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