Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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[DHT]Osiris

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If you really want to aggravate them remind them that the only thing that stood between them and having to capitulate to Hitler in 1942 was western aid.

Absent British and American supplies from mid 1941 through 1942 the Soviet Union falls.
Don't forget 'the only group that did a better job of defeating the Soviet Union than the Nazis was the Soviet Union'.
 

kage69

Lifer
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I was incorrect earlier with the triad comment.

Ukraine intentionally left the nuclear capable Tu-160s alone. So they gutted Putin's conventional weapon delivery pool and denied him the chance to escalate by claiming his nuclear forces had been attacked. The strain this loss will put on the remainder of what they have in rotation will likely lead to them losing more of those vintage airframes, regardless of Ukraine repeating this success again. But they will, I think we all know it.
 

Young Grasshopper

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The one thing that really bothers me is how Russia seems to be in Denial that it started this war.

That’s because you’re ignorant on the history of this conflict and know only what the people on the television set want you to know, which is you know, Feb 2022 and after.

No different then FoxNews brainwashing people into thinking the Palestinian/Israel conflict started Oct 7.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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That’s because you’re ignorant on the history of this conflict and know only what the people on the television set want you to know, which is you know, Feb 2022 and after.

No different then FoxNews brainwashing people into thinking the Palestinian/Israel conflict started Oct 7.
And which version of the history of the conflict justifies a lie that's resulted in almost a million dead Russian boys and men?
 
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fskimospy

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That’s because you’re ignorant on the history of this conflict and know only what the people on the television set want you to know, which is you know, Feb 2022 and after.

No different then FoxNews brainwashing people into thinking the Palestinian/Israel conflict started Oct 7.
No, it's just people with eyes and a functioning brain.

Russia invaded Ukraine. They were not forced to, they chose to. End of story.
 

repoman0

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That’s because you’re ignorant on the history of this conflict and know only what the people on the television set want you to know, which is you know, Feb 2022 and after.

No different then FoxNews brainwashing people into thinking the Palestinian/Israel conflict started Oct 7.
Why aren't you at the front getting your limbs blown off by drones yet?

I guess maybe some of you have been since your account has been operated by multiple different people in the past.
 

fskimospy

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Why aren't you at the front getting your limbs blown off by drones yet?

I guess maybe some of you have been since your account has been operated by multiple different people in the past.
It was sort of funny to see him go from the guy who originally claimed he just wanted peace become more and more bloodthirsty as Russian setbacks mounted. I guess his boss told him the fake 'lover of peace' bit wasn't working.
 

Young Grasshopper

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And which version of the history of the conflict justifies a lie that's resulted in almost a million dead Russian boys and men?


Here’s one for starters:



The CIA has built 12 “secret spy bases” along the Russian border in Ukraine that act as the “nerve centre” of Kyiv’s military, an investigation has revealed.

Over eight years, the US agency has trained and equipped Kyiv’s intelligence officers in underground bunkers, some of which are buried deep in Ukraine’s forests. They have also fully financed and partially equipped them, according to the New York Times.

Russian spy satellites are tracked by Ukrainians in the bunkers who eavesdrop on communications between Russian commanders and report back to the CIA, the report said.

And please, let’s not pretend like the US wouldn’t take any action if Russia were doing the same thing along the Mexican border.
 

repoman0

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Here’s one for starters:





And please, let’s not pretend like the US wouldn’t take any action if Russia were doing the same thing along the Mexican border.
All the Russians had to do to prevent that was not invade Crimea in 2014, Yuri #7.
 

repoman0

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It was sort of funny to see him go from the guy who originally claimed he just wanted peace become more and more bloodthirsty as Russian setbacks mounted. I guess his boss told him the fake 'lover of peace' bit wasn't working.
His English has changed character at discrete intervals in the past too. This one doesn't even know what fake personality the old ones adopted.
 

K1052

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Here’s one for starters:





And please, let’s not pretend like the US wouldn’t take any action if Russia were doing the same thing along the Mexican border.

Russians spied from Cuba for decades and are still at it. Gonna need something a bit stronger than the CIA, like any major clandestine service, simply doing its literal job.
 

nickqt

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I like how we're pretending Russia isn't receiving direct information from various Trump administration officials like Gabbard or DOGE staffers, or Manafort and Flynn in the first administration. And that's generously assuming Trump isn't a Russian asset, which is arguable.

Ukraine attacks Russian military sites. Russia continues hitting civilian infrastructure and living quarters.

Anyone who isn't a full-blown shitbag supports Ukraine.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Here’s one for starters:





And please, let’s not pretend like the US wouldn’t take any action if Russia were doing the same thing along the Mexican border.
Last time I checked, nations doing stuff within their own borders wasn't cause to invade them.

Also, see: Cuba.
 
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Young Grasshopper

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Russians spied from Cuba for decades and are still at it. Gonna need something a bit stronger than the CIA, like any major clandestine service, simply doing its literal job.

Didn’t know Cuba is on the US’s border.

Here’s another one though:


The former Chancellor recently said that the Minsk Agreements, signed in 2014, had given Ukraine "precious time" to become stronger, and the results of this could now be seen. She emphasised that Ukraine in 2014-2015 was very different from Ukraine today.

Confirmed by both the former French and Ukrainian presidents, the agreements were designed for peace—not as a stalling tactic to “buy time and load up.”

Now it’s clear why Zelensky is pushing for an “unconditional ceasefire.” Ukraine is taking heavy losses and he’s essentially calling for a timeout to regroup and rearm. But that playbook isn’t going to work a third time.


It’s honestly wild watching people still pretend this war is about Ukraine’s sovereignty. This is a U.S.–Russia proxy war, and Ukraine is being used as a de facto private military contractor to weaken Russia. Why? Because Russia—and China—have emerged as rising economic powers, and both started gaining momentum around the same time. So naturally, the U.S. government and media machine have framed them as our #1 and #2 enemies to preserve American hegemony.


The blueprint for this conflict was laid out as early as 2019 in a RAND Corporation think tank paper:


🔗 RAND Report – Overextending and Unbalancing Russia (2019)


Now with figures like Hegseth calling for Europe to carry more of the defense burden, we’re seeing the pivot: the U.S. is preparing to hand off Ukraine to the EU so it can shift full focus to confronting China. It’s all spelled out in the Project 2025 policy papers—Chapter 6 for foreign policy, and Chapter 26 for the tariff war against China.


Would highly recommend watching Brian Berletic on YT. He is ALWAYS right on his predictions because he follows these policy papers on a regular basis and they essentially tell you what the US game plan will be in the future:

 
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Brovane

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That’s because you’re ignorant on the history of this conflict and know only what the people on the television set want you to know, which is you know, Feb 2022 and after.

No different then FoxNews brainwashing people into thinking the Palestinian/Israel conflict started Oct 7.

Since Russia has now gained a 800+mile formidable NATO Power on it's border (Finland). Russia and Finland have a long history of hating each other. Do you think the invasion of Ukraine in Feb 2022 was worth it strategically for Russia?
 

manly

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Trump giving Putin more time to snatch as much Ukrainian ground as possible before more sanctions are going to hurt his war making abilities.

Do the folks who voted for Trump while supporting Ukraine's right to exist care at all? Their abject silence about it is their answer, silent and oh so clear.
MAGA doesn't know where Ukraine is, let alone care about its sovereignty. Even worse, they years ago agreed with Donny's absurd stance that Russia is our friend.

The GOP establishment knows better, but they worry that Donny will primary them and dinosaurs like Chuck Grassley and friends would be out of a job, boohoo.
 
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kage69

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It’s honestly wild watching people still pretend this war is about Ukraine’s sovereignty.


Your affinity for the crack pipe continues to amuse. Ukraine 'not being a real country,' has practically been a Russian mantra since at least 2014. You should probably check in with your handler, get your talking points updated.

Russia's denial of Ukrainian sovereignty is the horse, genocidal war the cart. What a sad, horrible little bubble you must live in to still not understand or accept this. At least you're amused, right? If only reveling in being a piece of shit somehow produced valid arguments. Oh if only.

I'll tell you what's wild: smoking ~7billion in aircraft with 60k in drones. Your gas station is fucked. Writing is on the wall cyka, you have to make the choice to read it though.
 

biostud

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Your affinity for the crack pipe continues to amuse. Ukraine 'not being a real country,' has practically been a Russian mantra since at least 2014. You should probably check in with your handler, get your talking points updated.

Russia's denial of Ukrainian sovereignty is the horse, genocidal war the cart. What a sad, horrible little bubble you must live in to still not understand or accept this. At least you're amused, right? If only reveling in being a piece of shit somehow produced valid arguments. Oh if only.

I'll tell you what's wild: smoking ~7billion in aircraft with 60k in drones. Your gas station is fucked. Writing is on the wall cyka, you have to make the choice to read it though.
Well it is in many regards more about the survival of the Russian regime...
 

fskimospy

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Didn’t know Cuba is on the US’s border.

Here’s another one though:




Confirmed by both the former French and Ukrainian presidents, the agreements were designed for peace—not as a stalling tactic to “buy time and load up.”

Now it’s clear why Zelensky is pushing for an “unconditional ceasefire.” Ukraine is taking heavy losses and he’s essentially calling for a timeout to regroup and rearm. But that playbook isn’t going to work a third time.


It’s honestly wild watching people still pretend this war is about Ukraine’s sovereignty. This is a U.S.–Russia proxy war, and Ukraine is being used as a de facto private military contractor to weaken Russia. Why? Because Russia—and China—have emerged as rising economic powers, and both started gaining momentum around the same time. So naturally, the U.S. government and media machine have framed them as our #1 and #2 enemies to preserve American hegemony.


The blueprint for this conflict was laid out as early as 2019 in a RAND Corporation think tank paper:


🔗 RAND Report – Overextending and Unbalancing Russia (2019)


Now with figures like Hegseth calling for Europe to carry more of the defense burden, we’re seeing the pivot: the U.S. is preparing to hand off Ukraine to the EU so it can shift full focus to confronting China. It’s all spelled out in the Project 2025 policy papers—Chapter 6 for foreign policy, and Chapter 26 for the tariff war against China.


Would highly recommend watching Brian Berletic on YT. He is ALWAYS right on his predictions because he follows these policy papers on a regular basis and they essentially tell you what the US game plan will be in the future:

So you’re saying Putin is stupid and stumbled into the US’s trap?

Does Putin know you’re now criticizing him?
 

K1052

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It’s honestly wild watching people still pretend this war is about Ukraine’s sovereignty. This is a U.S.–Russia proxy war, and Ukraine is being used as a de facto private military contractor to weaken Russia. Why? Because Russia—and China—have emerged as rising economic powers, and both started gaining momentum around the same time. So naturally, the U.S. government and media machine have framed them as our #1 and #2 enemies to preserve American hegemony.

This exhibits the classic Russian obsession of thinking that America is obsessed with them somehow when the reality is:




The truth is that we're just not into you and don't care if you all die on the Ukrainian steppe because you decided you need attention. Security and peace (in that order) in Europe is our interest and let's just say historically Russia is not exactly a source of either of these things. Maybe the FSB shouldn't have lied to Putin that it was going to be a piece of cake but I guess since they don't have wings that really wan't an option eh.
 
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