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iRONic

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Meanwhile in Minneapolis ICE came in looking like an invading army

This is also the first thing I thought after I watched that:

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They look exactly like what we expect. White Supremacists
 

nakedfrog

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Apr 3, 2001
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I'm sure I remember Republicans repeatedly insisting that "The US is a Republic, not a democracy". Yet here's JD Vance, declaring, in response to the courts overturning Trump dictats, that



Surely, the essence of a "Republic", as opposed to a pure-majority-rule democracy, is that the rule of law takes precedence over an elected dictatorship? (I reserve the right to complain about that myself, when the boot's on the other foot - I think the US in particular usually overdoes the 'checks and balances' to a point that can produce complete immobility - but can the Right not at least be consistent about it? Given how frequently they've made a big song-and-dance about that alleged Republic/Democracy distinction)

The blather about 'the will of the people' (as expressed through the One True Leader) reminds me of how that phrase got used over-and-over post the Brexit referendum. That time the constant invocation of that phrase, with the implication that there was a single 'people' (Ein Volk?) with a single "will" (that must triumph?) reminded me of something...
Why would they start being consistent now? It's all blatantly about seizing power and never ceding it again.
I'd love someone to explain to me, with a straight face, why ICE agents need long arms.
You've seen the things Leavitt says with a straight face, why would this be a challenge for her or her ilk?
 

pmv

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I'd love someone to explain to me, with a straight face, why ICE agents need long arms.

Not until I read the replies did I understand what this meant. I thought maybe it was referring to some criteria demanding a minimum shoulder-to-wrist length for ICE recruits.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Not until I read the replies did I understand what this meant. I thought maybe it was referring to some criteria demanding a minimum shoulder-to-wrist length for ICE recruits.
I wish that was my biggest issue with this.
 

fskimospy

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I'm sure I remember Republicans repeatedly insisting that "The US is a Republic, not a democracy". Yet here's JD Vance, declaring, in response to the courts overturning Trump dictats, that



Surely, the essence of a "Republic", as opposed to a pure-majority-rule democracy, is that the rule of law takes precedence over an elected dictatorship? (I reserve the right to complain about that myself, when the boot's on the other foot - I think the US in particular usually overdoes the 'checks and balances' to a point that can produce complete immobility - but can the Right not at least be consistent about it? Given how frequently they've made a big song-and-dance about that alleged Republic/Democracy distinction)

The blather about 'the will of the people' (as expressed through the One True Leader) reminds me of how that phrase got used over-and-over post the Brexit referendum. That time the constant invocation of that phrase, with the implication that there was a single 'people' (Ein Volk?) with a single "will" (that must triumph?) reminded me of something...
Any time you see someone say 'the US is a Republic, not a democracy' what they are really trying to tell you is they are morons that don't understand how government works or that they are liars who think you don't. The US is a republic AND a democracy simultaneously and always has been.
 

pmv

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Any time you see someone say 'the US is a Republic, not a democracy' what they are really trying to tell you is they are morons that don't understand how government works or that they are liars who think you don't. The US is a republic AND a democracy simultaneously and always has been.

Sure, but insofar as one can, charitably, put any sensible interpretation at all on someone stressing that Republic/Democracy distinction, it's simply to emphasise that it's not a _pure_ democracy, with absolutely every issue decided by pure majority rule - there are structures and laws that constrain even the majority.

It appears to be the existence of those constraints is precisely what Vance is now complaining about, and claiming are somehow necessarily invalid, as if he's suddenly a convert to that untrammeled rule of the majority that his team previously were keen to reject.

Also, I notice again there's that "will of the people" phrase, that was repeated endlessly by the pro-Brexit crew. It seems a central concept of right-wing populism, the notion that there's one homogenous 'people' who share a single will.
 

fskimospy

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Sure, but insofar as one can, charitably, put any sensible interpretation at all on someone stressing that Republic/Democracy distinction, it's simply to emphasise that it's not a _pure_ democracy, with absolutely every issue decided by pure majority rule - there are structures and laws that constrain even the majority.

It appears to be the existence of those constraints is precisely what Vance is now complaining about, and claiming are somehow necessarily invalid, as if he's suddenly a convert to that untrammeled rule of the majority that his team previously were keen to reject.

Also, I notice again there's that "will of the people" phrase, that was repeated endlessly by the pro-Brexit crew. It seems a central concept of right-wing populism, the notion that there's one homogenous 'people' who share a single will.
While I agree that the US is not a pure democracy that has nothing to do with if it’s a republic or not. All a republic is is a situation where sovereignty rests with the citizens and where we choose leaders to act on our behalf. You could absolutely have a situation with a republic where everything was decided by simple majority votes.
 

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Lifer
May 30, 2008
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Who could have predicted this? Hypersensitive narcissists are famous for the durability and solidity of their social relationships.



It also caused the rightwing writer Ashley St Clair, who gave birth to Musk’s 14th known child and sued Musk for child support, to weigh in. “Let me know if u need any breakup advice,” she posted on X, tagging Trump.
 
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zinfamous

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If true this would mean Elon knew Trump was in there and decided not to tell anyone until Trump made him mad. So he’s fine with pedos so long as those pedos are nice to him.

makes me wonder: are you a pedo if you give a vile of your sperm to a 12 year old to impregnate herself with?
 
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zinfamous

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Does anyone else think that trump and musk publicly breaking up (maybe not in secret) was planned for pride month?

well the raging orange shitgibbon has forced DuPont circle to close this weekend--they are currently putting up fences. DC is hosting World Pride this weekend.

and this has been going back and for more than a month. Just this week the park police have ordered it closed, then unclosed, closed again, and then yesterday they reopened it after a meeting with community committees. Right now they are back out putting up fences.

All of the reasons given are plain, unambiguous fascism.
 

RalphTheCow

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So apparently Kari Lake now has OAN broadcasting to what’s left of VOAs’s audience. So right wing propaganda is now the Voice of America. Nice. (From 2paragraphs, rated medium credibility by mediaboasfactcheck.com, and I know zero about THEIR credibility. )
 

brycejones

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So apparently Kari Lake now has OAN broadcasting to what’s left of VOAs’s audience. So right wing propaganda is now the Voice of America. Nice. (From 2paragraphs, rated medium credibility by mediaboasfactcheck.com, and I know zero about THEIR credibility. )
That was her announced plan……
 
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