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gothuevos

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Jul 28, 2010
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Meanwhile in Minneapolis ICE came in looking like an invading army


This is a good reminder for those still bleating on about how the military or LE isn't lockstep with Trump.
 

QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
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I've seen a bunch of comments on the Trump vs Elon fighting tweets from MAGAts saying this is scripted and all just for show. They're really struggling to admit this is happening. Even for MAGA standards, it's sad how delusional they are. And some who are highly upset at Elon for lying about the Epstein thing are accusing him of being on it. It would be hilarious if he did release what he had, and his name was there along with Trump.

Elon's clearly pissed off here, so him crashing out like that could be a real possibility - assuming he's on the list. Trump really knows how to pick em.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
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Day 2




some dumb redneck border 'czar'with a limited vocabulary is saying that they are bringing in the national guard over on fox



miller is just itching to use the insurrection act
 
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UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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I give it 2 weeks before ICE/Homeland Security are deemed responsible for starting a wildfire.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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I don't really understand this

The law cited by Trump’s proclamation places national guard troops under federal command. The law says this can be done under three circumstances: when the US is invaded or in danger of invasion; when there is a rebellion or danger of rebellion against the authority of the US government; or when the president is unable to “execute the laws of the United States”, with regular forces.

But the law also says that orders for those purposes “shall be issued through the governors of the States”. It’s not immediately clear whether the president can activate national guard troops without the order of that state’s governor.

So he can issue the order "through" the governor, whether that governor consents or not? What is it with the Constitution and its ambiguous language? I suppose with the vagueness of the Constitution and a pet Supreme Court Trump can pretty much do whatever he wants.

It also says
“There’s nothing these troops will be allowed to do that, for example, the ICE officers against whom these protests have been directed could not do themselves,” Vladeck wrote.

But seems to me the chances are they will do those things less competently and with more unnecessary force. How long till a Bloody Sunday/Kent State situation...?
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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I don't really understand this



So he can issue the order "through" the governor, whether that governor consents or not? What is it with the Constitution and its ambiguous language? I suppose with the vagueness of the Constitution and a pet Supreme Court Trump can pretty much do whatever he wants.

It also says


But seems to me the chances are they will do those things less competently and with more unnecessary force. How long till a Bloody Sunday/Kent State situation...?
It's probably just never been challenged. The last time this was invoked was half a century ago.

Given the current landscape, the SC will likely just determine that the national guard is needed for national security, so it's an extension of the executive.
 

Roger Wilco

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Mar 20, 2017
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This is something I noticed while spending the last week or so driving through rural Midwest/New England.

Far fewer bumper stickers/signs relative to his first term. Significantly so.

 
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