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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Who is this “dem leadership” you are referring to?
Schumer, Pelosi, Jeffries, their number ones, twos, and threes, and maybe more - probably at least half of the DNC leadership, half of the DNC executive committee, any single person in the Biden circle ranked above level private - that's a good start.
 

mindless1

Diamond Member
Aug 11, 2001
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Certainly expected a bit more in reply. Like touch on the criminal in the whitehouse that people seemed to adore, may discuss how search sites reported a surge in “what is a tariff” after the election, maybe approach the fact that trump is a known sexual assaulter. Nope.
Wow you still don't get it.

The majority of US citizens hate the liberal agenda so much that they would even elect Trump, even if he is guilty of sexual assault and other things too. No sane person thinks that Trump is fit to be president, but any random low life degenerate is better than the far left liberal agenda. Trump won because Kamala isn't fit to tie her own shoes.

The problem is that Trump is somewhat effective in his far right agenda. We'd have been better off electing some rando heroin addict off the street that does almost nothing. Neither extreme suits the majority of Americans, the problem with either party being that some figurehead is installed that wants to exercise their power instead of serving the needs of the people, to push their agenda instead.

This is the typical liberal supporter nonsense. If you can't defend an argument or propose something better, just engage in a personal attack instead, pretending that the solution is just choose the opposition rather than focusing on the details of the agenda of each party.

In this regard, YES both parties are guilty and a bit of the same to suit their own agenda. Since this forum is biased towards liberalism, and if you hang around here long enough, then you've been brainwashed with examples dug up about conservative wrongdoings, but it's very much both parties engaged in the shenanigans.

The thing is, the majority of the public does not care about that as much as policy. Trump was a mistake because he didn't just want to counter the liberal agenda but also take from the poor to build himself a better army to be more powerful, and enrich the (already) rich in the process. He only thinks in terms of profit in a short-sighted way.

We needed a republican president to level the country out again, just not Trump.

Musk, meh he should have known going in that this wouldn't turn out well for him, but I agree with his principles to counter Trump on this big bad bill.
 
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brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Wow you still don't get it.

The majority of US citizens hate the liberal agenda so much that they would even elect Trump, even if he is guilty of sexual assault and other things too. No sane person thinks that Trump is fit to be president, but any random low life degenerate is better than the far left liberal agenda.

The problem is that Trump is somewhat effective in his far right agenda. Neither extreme suits the majority of Americans, the problem with either party being that some figurehead is installed that wants to exercise their power instead of serving the needs of the people, to push their agenda instead.

This is the typical liberal supporter nonsense. If you can't defend an argument or propose something better, just engage in a personal attack instead, pretending that the solution is just choose the opposition rather than focusing on the details of the agenda of each party.

In this regard, YES both parties are guilty and a bit of the same to suit their own agenda. Since this forum is biased towards liberalism, and if you hang around here long enough, then you've been brainwashed with examples dug up about conservative wrongdoings, but it's very much both parties engaged in the shenanigans.

The thing is, the majority of the public does not care about that as much as policy. Trump was a mistake because he didn't just want to counter the liberal agenda but also take from the poor to build himself a better army to be more powerful, and enrich the (already) rich in the process.

We needed a republican president to level the country out again, just not Trump.

A plurality is not a majority.

Also it’s fucking hilarious you think any other GOP president would have different economic policies regarding the transfer of wealth to the already wealthy:
 
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NWRMidnight

Diamond Member
Jun 18, 2001
3,471
3,003
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Are you saying it's rigged no matter what?

I am hopeful Mamdani can oust Cuomo, but I kinda have the same feeling you do.. however I have no proof to prove it.
Where did I say they are rigged, or imply that? Maybe you need to learn how our elections and political parties actually work.
 

NWRMidnight

Diamond Member
Jun 18, 2001
3,471
3,003
136
I'm all for getting rid of the primaries. I want the "party insiders" to pick the parties' candidates. It makes no sense to have non-party members picking candidates for a party.
Actually, we need to get rid of parties all together. People need to run for office on their merits, and accomplishments, just like every other job in this country. Not on merits dictated by a collaborated political group controlled by donor money, lobbyists, and other influences.
 

NWRMidnight

Diamond Member
Jun 18, 2001
3,471
3,003
136
Wow you still don't get it.

The majority of US citizens hate the liberal agenda so much that they would even elect Trump, even if he is guilty of sexual assault and other things too. No sane person thinks that Trump is fit to be president, but any random low life degenerate is better than the far left liberal agenda. Trump won because Kamala isn't fit to tie her own shoes.

The problem is that Trump is somewhat effective in his far right agenda. We'd have been better off electing some rando heroin addict off the street that does almost nothing. Neither extreme suits the majority of Americans, the problem with either party being that some figurehead is installed that wants to exercise their power instead of serving the needs of the people, to push their agenda instead.

This is the typical liberal supporter nonsense. If you can't defend an argument or propose something better, just engage in a personal attack instead, pretending that the solution is just choose the opposition rather than focusing on the details of the agenda of each party.

In this regard, YES both parties are guilty and a bit of the same to suit their own agenda. Since this forum is biased towards liberalism, and if you hang around here long enough, then you've been brainwashed with examples dug up about conservative wrongdoings, but it's very much both parties engaged in the shenanigans.

The thing is, the majority of the public does not care about that as much as policy. Trump was a mistake because he didn't just want to counter the liberal agenda but also take from the poor to build himself a better army to be more powerful, and enrich the (already) rich in the process. He only thinks in terms of profit in a short-sighted way.

We needed a republican president to level the country out again, just not Trump.

Musk, meh he should have known going in that this wouldn't turn out well for him, but I agree with his principles to counter Trump on this big bad bill.
33% of eligible voters or 22% of the population IS NOT the majority.

History shows the Republican leadership does not "level out" this country. Quiet the opposite actually. They are the ones who drag this country down and backwards and are why most Americans (the working class, middle class, lower class, non wealthy) are becoming poorer year after year.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
29,297
29,615
136
33% of eligible voters or 22% of the population IS NOT the majority.

History shows the Republican leadership does not "level out" this country. Quiet the opposite actually. They are the ones who drag this country down and backwards and are why most Americans (the working class, middle class, lower class, non wealthy) are becoming poorer year after year.
Shit he didn't even get a majority of the votes in the election. Mindless1 failed math at all levels.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
39,316
20,023
146
Wow you still don't get it.

The majority of US citizens hate the liberal agenda so much that they would even elect Trump, even if he is guilty of sexual assault and other things too. No sane person thinks that Trump is fit to be president, but any random low life degenerate is better than the far left liberal agenda. Trump won because Kamala isn't fit to tie her own shoes.

The problem is that Trump is somewhat effective in his far right agenda. We'd have been better off electing some rando heroin addict off the street that does almost nothing. Neither extreme suits the majority of Americans, the problem with either party being that some figurehead is installed that wants to exercise their power instead of serving the needs of the people, to push their agenda instead.

This is the typical liberal supporter nonsense. If you can't defend an argument or propose something better, just engage in a personal attack instead, pretending that the solution is just choose the opposition rather than focusing on the details of the agenda of each party.

In this regard, YES both parties are guilty and a bit of the same to suit their own agenda. Since this forum is biased towards liberalism, and if you hang around here long enough, then you've been brainwashed with examples dug up about conservative wrongdoings, but it's very much both parties engaged in the shenanigans.

The thing is, the majority of the public does not care about that as much as policy. Trump was a mistake because he didn't just want to counter the liberal agenda but also take from the poor to build himself a better army to be more powerful, and enrich the (already) rich in the process. He only thinks in terms of profit in a short-sighted way.

We needed a republican president to level the country out again, just not Trump.

Musk, meh he should have known going in that this wouldn't turn out well for him, but I agree with his principles to counter Trump on this big bad bill.

Level the country out? Lol in what way. Nothing you quoted is false.

Looks like im not the one who doesnt get it. The looting of the US is on full display. Hope americans are happy with their choice to continue our path to fascism. Whatever their motivations, this is where were headed.

Thanks for showing us the bothsides that im being told doesnt exist,
 
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cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
25,503
15,026
136
Wow you still don't get it.

The majority of US citizens hate the liberal agenda so much that they would even elect Trump, even if he is guilty of sexual assault and other things too. No sane person thinks that Trump is fit to be president, but any random low life degenerate is better than the far left liberal agenda. Trump won because Kamala isn't fit to tie her own shoes.

The problem is that Trump is somewhat effective in his far right agenda. We'd have been better off electing some rando heroin addict off the street that does almost nothing. Neither extreme suits the majority of Americans, the problem with either party being that some figurehead is installed that wants to exercise their power instead of serving the needs of the people, to push their agenda instead.

This is the typical liberal supporter nonsense. If you can't defend an argument or propose something better, just engage in a personal attack instead, pretending that the solution is just choose the opposition rather than focusing on the details of the agenda of each party.

In this regard, YES both parties are guilty and a bit of the same to suit their own agenda. Since this forum is biased towards liberalism, and if you hang around here long enough, then you've been brainwashed with examples dug up about conservative wrongdoings, but it's very much both parties engaged in the shenanigans.

The thing is, the majority of the public does not care about that as much as policy. Trump was a mistake because he didn't just want to counter the liberal agenda but also take from the poor to build himself a better army to be more powerful, and enrich the (already) rich in the process. He only thinks in terms of profit in a short-sighted way.

We needed a republican president to level the country out again, just not Trump.

Musk, meh he should have known going in that this wouldn't turn out well for him, but I agree with his principles to counter Trump on this big bad bill.

Oh shit. Even this guy is coming around.

T-t-t-t-rump sucks bbbbut so do you.

Jesus christ, talk about getting smacked around and still wake up with that stutter. Signal cant be fixed by punching the TV like in the old days I guess.

Hot take from the outside: The liberal agenda is widely popular in the US, singlepayer healthcare womens rights abortion social security etc. Look to Europe, all this shit is wildly popular to the average homo sapiens. You no different.
So why elect Trump? Simple. Someone(s) taught you to hate even more: Migrants. Trans people. Kitten kids taking shits in litterboxes in schools. Etc etc etc. Fake culture war bs.
So you got Trump instead of the good stuff cause you illiterate as fuck and cant breach the veil of BS that is put in front of you. Facts.
 

Josh128

Senior member
Oct 14, 2022
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33% of eligible voters or 22% of the population IS NOT the majority.

History shows the Republican leadership does not "level out" this country. Quiet the opposite actually. They are the ones who drag this country down and backwards and are why most Americans (the working class, middle class, lower class, non wealthy) are becoming poorer year after year.
Its the majority that cared enough to vote. Thats what counts. It'll most certainly flip the other way come midterms. It seems the only surefire way to get people to vote is to piss them off.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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146
No sane person thinks that Trump is fit to be president, but any random low life degenerate is better than the far left liberal agenda
Ahh yes, those grotesque far left liberal agendas, such as 'all people are actually people', and 'we should educate our children', and 'we should do something about climate change so our children don't drown in their own blood'.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Where did i claim there any of this:

1. R’s in 2000 and 2024 are the same
2. GW and trump are the same
3. Being left of R’s and right of D’s (whatever this means at this point lol) is invalid

@Josh128 were you able to find where i posted these things?
 

Josh128

Senior member
Oct 14, 2022
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Actually, we need to get rid of parties all together. People need to run for office on their merits, and accomplishments, just like every other job in this country. Not on merits dictated by a collaborated political group controlled by donor money, lobbyists, and other influences.
I can 100% get behind this, but individuals raising the money need to "advertise" their candidacy without the backing of PACs or huge corporations is basically impossible.
 

Josh128

Senior member
Oct 14, 2022
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Oh shit. Even this guy is coming around.

T-t-t-t-rump sucks bbbbut so do you.

Jesus christ, talk about getting smacked around and still wake up with that stutter. Signal cant be fixed by punching the TV like in the old days I guess.

Hot take from the outside: The liberal agenda is widely popular in the US, singlepayer healthcare womens rights abortion social security etc. Look to Europe, all this shit is wildly popular to the average homo sapiens. You no different.
So why elect Trump? Simple. Someone(s) taught you to hate even more: Migrants. Trans people. Kitten kids taking shits in litterboxes in schools. Etc etc etc. Fake culture war bs.
So you got Trump instead of the good stuff cause you illiterate as fuck and cant breach the veil of BS that is put in front of you. Facts.

You are proving his point by trying to claim all conservative views are invalid. You can claim it all day, but its just not true. Cant you see that is literally what got the Orange Turd elected?
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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You are proving his point by trying to claim all conservative views are invalid. You can claim it all day, but its just not true. Cant you see that is literally what got the Orange Turd elected?
Trump's views are not traditional conservative views. Trump has come to represent modern conservativism, so it's fair to say that modern conservative views are pretty invalid.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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You are proving his point by trying to claim all conservative views are invalid. You can claim it all day, but its just not true. Dont you see that is literally what got the Orange Turd elected?

voters got the turd elected, and what you quoted is the how. The validity of the views is irrelevant.
 

Josh128

Senior member
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Trump's views are not traditional conservative views. Trump has come to represent modern conservativism, so it's fair to say that modern conservative views are pretty invalid.
Trump does not represent modern conservatism. I consider myself a centrist conservative. Trump represents conservative extremism. Again, the democratic party not embracing moderate conservatives, but simply writing them off, is part of why we are where we are. The other part is the incredible dysfunction as a party as referred to by Mr. Squished.
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Trump does not represent modern conservatism. I consider myself a centrist conservative. Trump represents conservative extremism. Again, the democratic party not embracing moderate conservatives, but simply writing them off, is part of why we are where we are. The other part is the incredible dysfunction as a party as referred to by Mr. Squished.

Lol, yea trump does. Who isnt keeping it real now?
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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Trump does not represent modern conservatism. I consider myself a centrist conservative. Trump represents conservative extremism. Again, the democratic party not embracing moderate conservatives, but simply writing them off, is part of why we are where we are. The other part is the incredible dysfunction as a party as referred to by Mr. Squished.
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Trump absolutely represents modern conservativism, all the classic conservatives resigned during his first term and now, a decade later, all that is left at sycophants to his cause. You're only deluding yourself if you say otherwise.

Modern Democrats have more in common with classical Republicans than they ever have in like a century, the problem is that the field has shifted so far right, 'we should ensure the govt can't deport citizens in the night' looks like a far left policy now.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
25,503
15,026
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You are proving his point by trying to claim all conservative views are invalid. You can claim it all day, but its just not true. Cant you see that is literally what got the Orange Turd elected?
Stop. It wont work here. Remember what we talked about being in good faith? Come back then.
 
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Josh128

Senior member
Oct 14, 2022
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Lol 3 elections with trump as their guy, a whole cult movement: “trump doesn’t represent modern conservatives”….
Lol, yea trump does. Who isnt keeping it real now?

Its semantics. I am trying to keep it real. Trump represents Christo-fascism, even though he himself is not an actual Christian. If you want to say that is modern conservatism, fine, I can let that go-- but my view is that Trump represents the modern Republican party, not the modern traditional conservative view. There area huge amount of actual traditional conservatives who voted for Trump because they felt they had no other choice, who are shocked by what he is doing in this second term.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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Its semantics. I am trying to keep it real. Trump represents Christo-fascism, even though he himself is not an actual Christian. If you want to say that is modern conservatism, fine, I can agree with that. That doesnt mean there are still a huge amount of actual traditional conservatives who voted for Trump because they felt they had no other choice, who are shocked by what he is doing in this second term.
I'd love to ask a classic conservative, today, what leftist policies made them feel they had no choice but to vote for a christofascist rapist.
 

Heartbreaker

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There area huge amount of actual traditional conservatives who voted for Trump because they felt they had no other choice, who are shocked by what he is doing in this second term.

When they interview conservatives, I'm not seeing much shock, unless the leopard is eating their own face.

They voted for this stuff and it's happening, so they are mostly all still team Trump.

They only get shocked when the stuff they wanted to happen to other people, happens to them.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Its semantics. I am trying to keep it real. Trump represents Christo-fascism, even though he himself is not an actual Christian. If you want to say that is modern conservatism, fine, I can let that go-- but my view is that Trump represents the modern Republican party, not the modern traditional conservative view. There area huge amount of actual traditional conservatives who voted for Trump because they felt they had no other choice, who are shocked by what he is doing in this second term.

“Modern traditional” - try again.

If people are shocked by what is going on, they havent been paying attention for over a decade. Ignorance is no defense.
 
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