GOP Senator says the quiet part out loud about Medicaid cuts. "Well, we all are going to die"

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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Current Law:

Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for federally-funded Medicaid coverage. Emergency Medicaid pays hospitals for the costs of emergency department care for immigrants who would qualify for Medicaid, except for their immigration status.

States verify immigration status through the DHS SAVE system which can provide automatic real-time verification. If the SAVE system cannot verify immigration status in real time, states are required to provide Medicaid benefits to applicants during a “reasonable opportunity period” of 90 days while their immigration status is being verified, if they meet all other eligibility criteria.

Lawfully present immigrants must wait five years after obtaining qualified status before they may enroll in Medicaid; states may waive the five-year wait for children and pregnant individuals. Some states cover undocumented immigrants using only state funds.

Proposed Change 2025:

Eliminates the requirement for states to provide Medicaid coverage during a reasonable opportunity period but allows states to do so at state option.

Prohibits states from claiming federal matching funds during a reasonable opportunity period.

I'm not saying that immigrants are a Huge source of waste, fraud and abuse. I do believe it exists and should be prevented. Regardless of what form it takes.

I do believe there is waste fraud and abuse in Most Government Programs. All of which needs to be rooted out and ended.

But I'm done with this repeating of questions. We are never going to agree.

Yea, there is waste fraud and abuse in programs, both public and private. Cutting staff like theyre doing now will only make it harder to find

Read this nice and slow:
“Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for federally-funded Medicaid coverage.”
 
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balloonshark

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If they are not eligible they need to be removed from whatever programs... If they know they are not eligible and are taking from the system then they are stealing. In the long run this adds up and will eventually hurt everyone.

As was stated earlier Medicaid was meant to help the most vulnerable people The young, elderly, and disabled. By covering people the way they are it is going to hurt those that truly need Medicare.

I cannot and will not attempt to justify the CBO's numbers. I know it would be great to provide free medical care, food, housing and anything else they desire to any and everybody that immigrates or sneaks into the country forever. BUT ... It just can't be done.
Ignoring the immigrant benefit statement but if it can't be done in the US then how do other countries manage with much smaller GDPs? The only reason suffering continues on Earth is because we allow it to happen. The rich reap the most benefits of the US economy so they should be paying their fair share of taxes. If you want to balance the budget then increase revenue by raising taxes. I don't understand why it's not an option if they are serious about making America great. The hard truth is the president is going to pass himself and his family another tax cut at the expense of our most vulnerable. They will also be laughing at their base all the way to the bank because they keep falling for the same old fraud sales pitch.

People have to fill out paperwork every year for the entitlements they receive. They want to know who is living in the house, detailed house expenses and income sources of every person living in the house. You also have to show proof of income, expenses and/or other entitlements you may be receiving. They make copies of everything like your 1040, electric bill, current checking and savings account statements, credit cards, etc. If anything changes you need to let them know ASAP. They even ask if you're a citizen or not. You also sign a paper so they can do a background check if they feel the need.
 

ivwshane

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“Correcting things”, yep, FYGM.
And like clockwork, he accepts such “correcting” uncritically. He’s the type that’ll defend a bill by republicans because the title is “big beautiful bill”, which must mean the bill is good, despite him not knowing anything about it. He can’t site any actual information but his feels tell him it’ll hurt the “right” people. What a true American patriot! Hurt Americans he doesn’t like so the ultra rich can get a tax break they don’t need. 🤡💩
 
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ch33zw1z

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Ignoring the immigrant benefit statement but if it can't be done in the US then how do other countries manage with much smaller GDPs? The only reason suffering continues on Earth is because we allow it to happen. The rich reap the most benefits of the US economy so they should be paying their fair share of taxes. If you want to balance the budget then increase revenue by raising taxes. I don't understand why it's not an option if they are serious about making America great. The hard truth is the president is going to pass himself and his family another tax cut at the expense of our most vulnerable. They will also be laughing at their base all the way to the bank because they keep falling for the same old fraud sales pitch.

People have to fill out paperwork every year for the entitlements they receive. They want to know who is living in the house, detailed house expenses and income sources of every person living in the house. You also have to show proof of income, expenses and/or other entitlements you may be receiving. They make copies of everything like your 1040, electric bill, current checking and savings account statements, credit cards, etc. If anything changes you need to let them know ASAP. They even ask if you're a citizen or not. You also sign a paper so they can do a background check if they feel the need.

 

[DHT]Osiris

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No,I didn't say they aren't ineligible now and the program is changing which will make them ineligible. I don't know where you got that from. Either you misunderstood something I said or it was a type. Give me a link where I said that, thanks.

They are making changes to the system which are correcting things such as a work requirement etc. see the link I posted above about the present and changes proposed in the 2025 Bill.

That doesn't mean there isn't people getting unauthorized benefits.
Let's go over it.

If they are not eligible they need to be removed
So if they are ineligible they need to be removed, got it.
They are changing the requirements.
Yep, changing the requirements from what they are, got it.
Any number getting benefits that are not entitled is too many.
Okay, so you think those getting benefits they aren't currently entitled to is bad, got it...
Then they must not be meeting the elements of being eligible as identified by the changes in the rules.
And you claim there's some not meeting requirements now...

In your comments, you claimed that there's currently people not meeting requirements, that's why they're being cut off... but in the second post I quoted, you say it's because they're changing the requirements, not because of any current problem.

So if there's no current problem, why are they changing it?
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Why should we pardon insurrectionists that attack police.

Your outrage at injustice is highly selective. Likely due to the Family Guy test

Dont forget the crotch grab test, highly subjective based on your referenced criteria
 
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thilanliyan

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The reason for the realignment of Medicaid is to prevent it from going under and to bring it back into its original intent. Protect those most vulnerable the young, elderly, and those unable to work.

Not to provide services to illegal aliens, and people that refuse to work and those gaming the system.
ORRRR, it's to give a tax cut to the already wealthy...same same I guess?
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Let's go over it.


So if they are ineligible they need to be removed, got it.

Yep, changing the requirements from what they are, got it.

Okay, so you think those getting benefits they aren't currently entitled to is bad, got it...

And you claim there's some not meeting requirements now...

In your comments, you claimed that there's currently people not meeting requirements, that's why they're being cut off... but in the second post I quoted, you say it's because they're changing the requirements, not because of any current problem.

So if there's no current problem, why are they changing it?

There are ineligible people getting benefits now.
They should be cut off .

They are changing some of the rules to add work requirements etc...
This will make others ineligible if they don't want to comply.

I'm not going to bother with you any longer. You are taking liberties with what I said.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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You accept CBO when it fits your narrative. Reject it when it doesn’t.

I didn't reject anything. I only pointed out it was an estimate (as per the article) and not a hard figure.

All this other BS is your speculations and making up stuff that fits your narrative.
 

IronWing

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There are ineligible people getting benefits now.
They should be cut off .

They are changing some of the rules to add work requirements etc...
This will make others ineligible if they don't want to comply.

I'm not going to bother with you any longer. You are taking liberties with what I said.
Why are there ineligible people?
 
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