8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

BFG10K · Jul 13, 2021

8GB

Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

It's the player's fault.
It's the reviewer's fault.
It's the developer's fault.
It's AMD's fault.
It's the game's fault.
It's the driver's fault.
It's a system configuration issue.
Wrong settings were tested.
Wrong area was tested.
Wrong games were tested.
4K is irrelevant.
Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
It's an anomaly.
It's a console port.
It's a conspiracy against NV.
8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

mikeymikec · Jun 7, 2025

Ranulf said:
Those 3 fan cards are amusing for a 160w card. Not as bad as some of the models in last two gens maybe. Hopefully then run really quiet low rpms to make it worth the size of the card.

It's an odd choice in terms of compatibility too, because a smaller card is more compatible with all the different case designs out there. It makes me feel like the manufacturers have got things backwards, which in turn makes me think that I'm not getting the bigger picture here.

igor_kavinski · Jun 7, 2025

It's also stupid youtuber build videos proudly showcasing three fan cards and manufacturers assume this is what the market wants.

Ranulf · Jun 7, 2025

As mentioned earlier, that 8700k comparison is great for showing how bad vram and pci-e card speed can be. Just crazy... how that almost 8 year old 8700k still holds up (aka 5600X) compared to the top end cpu today.

DAPUNISHER · Jun 7, 2025

igor_kavinski said:
It's also stupid youtuber build videos proudly showcasing three fan cards and manufacturers assume this is what the market wants.

Not including workstation; what's the fastest LP or ITX card with the most ram? 4060ti? 5060? 8GB versions of course. Do they make a 16GB SFF model? I don't think I've seen one. Why not? Technical or market segmentation? It seems like sometimes the only sff models you can even find until a long time after launch of some generations are HP and Dell pulls. Perhaps because there is only so much wattage you can shove in a hot box prebuilt with the lowest wattage PSU the integrator could get away with. Which is where many SFF cards end up.

If you look at DIY, mini-ITX cases have evolved. My NR200 can fit a Hellhound 7800XT/7900XT. For really small footprint builds you are right back to very few options. APUs are fast enough to compete against those.

DAPUNISHER · Jun 7, 2025

Ranulf said:
As mentioned earlier, that 8700k comparison is great for showing how bad vram and pci-e card speed can be. Just crazy... how that almost 8 year old 8700k still holds up (aka 5600X) compared to the top end cpu today.

In GPU bound games, sure. Spidey games, Cyberpunk, Space Marine 2, MS fight sim, Hogwarts, a little ray tracing, that's when you'll see what a CPU has left in the tank. An average overclocked 8700K vs 5600x ECO +200MHz PBO makes for a fun comparison in those situations. I'll run a search later, someone legit has to have done it.

PCIe speed being important again is the real kicker. Bad enough they overcharge for 8GB; putting it in a older system causing even more performance issues is adding insult to injury.

mikeymikec · Jun 7, 2025

PCIe speed hobbling - I would really like to know what the actual cost is of providing a 16x link speed interface on a graphics card.

I just looked up the graphics card that I used to put in every low-end desktop computer I built, and it has a 16x link. That graphics card went for about £30 UKP:

NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS Specs

NVIDIA G86S, 459 MHz, 16 Cores, 8 TMUs, 4 ROPs, 256 MB DDR2, 400 MHz, 64 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Same goes for the GeForce 6200.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there's no cost saving of halving the link speed, it's just a method of hobbling a low-end product to encourage 'graphics card turnover' (for lack of a better term).

DAPUNISHER · Jun 8, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
I like the post early on asking if he will give the game by game best settings advice for the AMD offering. Place your bets now on the chances that happens. If he doesn't do it, he is fully cooked as a legit reviewer. You can't explain that away logically.

Never mind that his testing is bad and he should feel bad. He cleared this low hurdle so credit where it's due i.e. He shovels the same 💩 for AMD's overpriced 8GB failure as he did team green's.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/powercolor-radeon-rx-9060-xt-reaper-8-gb/44.html

jpiniero · Jun 8, 2025

mikeymikec said:
PCIe speed hobbling - I would really like to know what the actual cost is of providing a 16x link speed interface on a graphics card.

Main thing going with x8 saves die space. The Intel U/P dies only have 8x5.0 so it's mainly a waste to put 16 for dies primarily intended for laptops.

DAPUNISHER · Jun 9, 2025

Daniel-San guns blazing. "Not a strawman version of the argument, a strong man version of the argument." 💪 I surmise the 8GB defense force raided his comments section. He comes out swinging with how expensive prebuilts with 5060s are. Uses the 4060 mobile being 2 in the steam survey as evidence most cards are bought that way. Ignoring all the issues with the survey, he could have simply stated it without referencing it and weakening his own argument. Just state more people buy prebuilts; only a troll would debate that.

marees · Jun 9, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
Daniel-San guns blazing. "Not a strawman version of the argument, a strong man version of the argument." 💪 I surmise the 8GB defense force raided his comments section. He comes out swinging with how expensive prebuilts with 5060s are. Uses the 4060 mobile being 2 in the steam survey as evidence most cards are bought that way. Ignoring all the issues with the survey, he could have simply stated it without referencing it and weakening his own argument. Just state more people buy prebuilts; only a troll would debate that.

So BMW was the most popular game & it is based on UE5 & has vram issues

I believe nvidia got developers to reduce texture quality & over sharpen settings to not run into frequent vram issues

How to Fix Black Myth: Wukong Out of Video Memory Error

PC users are experiencing the Out of Video Memory error when they launch Black Myth Wukong and here is how to fix the error.

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marees · Jun 9, 2025

marees said:
So BMW was the most popular game & it is based on UE5 & has vram issues

I believe nvidia got developers to reduce texture quality & over sharpen settings to not run into frequent vram issues

How to Fix Black Myth: Wukong Out of Video Memory Error

PC users are experiencing the Out of Video Memory error when they launch Black Myth Wukong and here is how to fix the error.

respawnfirst.com

keep in mind that the game will stutter if the game is trying to use more VRAM than your GPU can provide. This happens when someone tries to play the game on Ultra settings while their GPU can only handle a medium or low graphics preset.

Black Myth: Wukong stuttering on PC - How to fix and causes

If Black Myth: Wukong is stuttering on your PC, then you can try following the methods mentioned in our in-depth guide.

www.pcguide.com

DAPUNISHER · Jun 9, 2025

marees said:
keep in mind that the game will stutter if the game is trying to use more VRAM than your GPU can provide.

It really depends on the game. Some will just fail to load textures, produce unneeded pop-in, or reduce fps. There is no one universal symptom I am aware of.

Rigg · Jun 9, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
It really depends on the game. Some will just fail to load textures, produce unneeded pop-in, or reduce fps. There is no one universal symptom I am aware of.

Or crash like Indiana Jones does.

DAPUNISHER · Jun 9, 2025

This is how a gaming review should be done in 2025. Pedro gives you gameplay with various settings. While he provides his opinions concerning performance and visuals, you can evaluate the metrics and recorded video to help form your own conclusion. He gives a not recommended to the 5060 because of 8GB.

marees · Jun 9, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
This is how a gaming review should be done in 2025. Pedro gives you gameplay with various settings. While he provides his opinions concerning performance and visuals, you can evaluate the metrics and recorded video to help form your own conclusion. He gives a not recommended to the 5060 because of 8GB.

Haven't watched that video yet but looking at the comments it seems Forza Horizon 5 is 'unoptimized' & has vram issues at 1080p max

Custom PC Builders | Quick Rant trigger warning | Facebook

Quick Rant *trigger warning* This is my performance in Forza Horizon 5 at 1080p. A game that was released in 2021! You cannot tell me that an 8gb GPU makes sense past 2021 unless your playing games...

www.facebook.com

SolidQ · Jun 9, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
5060 because of 8GB.

overall it's good GPU for price, but killed by VRAM.
Hope next gen cards from NV/AMD ditch 8gb gpus.

igor_kavinski · Jun 9, 2025

This is the proper way to game if you have 8GB or less:

Make the game look better with a hardware upscaler:

https://stoneagegamer.com/mclassic-hd-upscaler.html

Inculcate a sense of VRAM responsibility in your child today. Remember, more VRAM for you means less VRAM for everybody else.

Best Regards,
Your friendly Nvidia Shill

Insert Logo Animation here showing "Nvidia Cares!"

coercitiv · Jun 9, 2025

Asus Silent Stutter Edition

https://twitter.com/x/status/1931484073903706319

Don't you guys like to have options?!

DAPUNISHER · Jun 9, 2025

coercitiv said:
Asus Silent Stutter Edition

https://twitter.com/x/status/1931484073903706319

Don't you guys like to have options?!

Good point being made. Some of the responses did not notice one was 16 the other 8. Less savvy gamers that don't follow tech gurus on social media are going to goof even harder, either with the prebuilt or retail. It's sleezy, and Frank can go piss up a rope.

Ranulf · Jun 9, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
Good point being made. Some of the responses did not notice one was 16 the other 8. Less savvy gamers that don't follow tech gurus on social media are going to goof even harder, either with the prebuilt or retail. It's sleezy, and Frank can go piss up a rope.

Heck, I missed it when I first read the tweet. Same price but hey, more fans or rgb lights ftw gamers.

Bigos · Jun 9, 2025

Is there a model with just one fan but 32GB of memory?

lightmanek · Jun 9, 2025

Bigos said:
Is there a model with just one fan but 32GB of memory?

Or no fans and 64GB of VRAM?

I've seen Steve from GN has tested a new GeeFarce card with 64GB and 2TB RAM today, but it had 3 fans for some reason ...

MrPickins · Jun 9, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
We are roasting AMD for their pathetic overpriced 8GB card. So WTF are you talking about? The only reason we go harder on the team green, is no one bought the 7600. 🤣 And at least it made it down to $230 for a model or 2 during the holidays. Which was much closer to what it is worth. $199 would have been enough to stop the hate. Now it's a travesty at $300+.

What? I rather liked my 7600. It was a good bang-for-the-buck mid-range GPU.

Oh, wait... You meant the RX 7600 and not the 7600 GT

DAPUNISHER · Jun 10, 2025

5060 vs 9060XT 16GB.

MS Flight Sim is the first game up. He makes a great point about how metrics can mislead, because the OS uses vram that is not being measured. At the same settings (ultra) the 5060 cannot benefit from DLSS or FG and Radeon destroys it. Drop the textures to medium on the 5060 and now the fps is close. Even with Youtube compression I can see the IQ degradation on the 5060. Cope settings suck kids, buy a card with more vram.

Hogwarts: 5060 has the advantage of ray reconstruction denoising; it looks great. However, have to drop to medium textures again. FG works better on it than on AMD in this game.

Spidey 2: AMD is crushing it. It is "I'd like to report a murder" territory. 1% lows and frame pacing difference, inability to leverage FG and upscaling when the 16GB can. This one requires a copium overdose and now we are reporting self harm instead of homicide.

AC: Shadows - He is repeatedly failing to add the terrible 1% lows on the 5060 to the OSD. Don't know why. AMD is over 100fps 5060 is 44fps. That's an enormous difference; show it.

Stalker 2: Another embarrassment. 5060 fails to respond to FG and AMD is literally providing double the fps.

Monster Hunter WIlds: Runs out of vram as expected. FG favors AMD.

Cyberpunk: Psycho RT is close until framebuffer overflow. Low textures vs high on AMD LMAO! Didn't bother with FG.

Doom DA: 💤💤💤💤

Last of Us P2: He says afterburner does not read 1% lows correctly with transformer model. Nothing else noteworthy. MFG works in this one.

Stellar Blade demo: 5060 advantage at some settings. Both have bad 1%; game needs more optimizations.

Conclusion: Don't buy an 8GB card.

Golgatha · Jun 10, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
In GPU bound games, sure. Spidey games, Cyberpunk, Space Marine 2, MS fight sim, Hogwarts, a little ray tracing, that's when you'll see what a CPU has left in the tank. An average overclocked 8700K vs 5600x ECO +200MHz PBO makes for a fun comparison in those situations. I'll run a search later, someone legit has to have done it.

PCIe speed being important again is the real kicker. Bad enough they overcharge for 8GB; putting it in a older system causing even more performance issues is adding insult to injury.

8700k vs 5600x with a 3080 Ti

8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

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