8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

BFG10K · Jul 13, 2021

8GB

Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

It's the player's fault.
It's the reviewer's fault.
It's the developer's fault.
It's AMD's fault.
It's the game's fault.
It's the driver's fault.
It's a system configuration issue.
Wrong settings were tested.
Wrong area was tested.
Wrong games were tested.
4K is irrelevant.
Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
It's an anomaly.
It's a console port.
It's a conspiracy against NV.
8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

biostud · Wednesday at 1:17 AM

DAPUNISHER said:
In GPU bound games, sure. Spidey games, Cyberpunk, Space Marine 2, MS fight sim, Hogwarts, a little ray tracing, that's when you'll see what a CPU has left in the tank. An average overclocked 8700K vs 5600x ECO +200MHz PBO makes for a fun comparison in those situations. I'll run a search later, someone legit has to have done it.

PCIe speed being important again is the real kicker. Bad enough they overcharge for 8GB; putting it in a older system causing even more performance issues is adding insult to injury.

Yeah using my 6800XT on my 5820K and 7800X3D I got 50% more fps in World of Tanks @ 5120x1440.

Jaskalas · Wednesday at 1:51 AM

DAPUNISHER said:
Conclusion: Don't buy an 8GB card.

That poor horse.
When will NVIDIA stop beating it?

DAPUNISHER · Wednesday at 6:47 AM

@Rigg

Following up our discussion in the RDNA4 thread.

After reading the post by the member you were conversing with at TPU, I used their high settings at 1080 with high ray tracing. I also used FG, which obviously does not improve IQ. So it is certainly not responsible for the drastic difference you are about to see. Homie claimed there are "no borked textures" You can't miss what was never there LOL! 🤣 Here are our respective screenshots in the same part of the bench.

EDIT: I almost nailed where they took the SS. You were right the first time, w1z's testing is poor.

DAPUNISHER · Wednesday at 8:28 AM

Steve throws in the 5800X3D for a quick guest appearance. 16GB pays for itself by removing the need for a platform upgrade.

maddogmcgee · Wednesday at 9:12 AM

Just finished watching. That really was a brutal video.

Jaskalas · Wednesday at 9:29 AM

maddogmcgee said:
Just finished watching. That really was a brutal video.

The results in that video are really trying to sell me on a 9060XT 16GB to replace the RTX 3060 Ti.
PCIe 3.0 here. That video is all sorts of uncomfortable.

marees · Wednesday at 9:42 AM

Jaskalas said:
The results in that video are really trying to sell me on a 9060XT 16GB to replace the RTX 3060 Ti.
PCIe 3.0 here. That video is all sorts of uncomfortable.

MLID expectation is that price of the 9060 xt 16gb will gradually decrease. So hold until that

But first some scapegoats (who haven't read this thread) need to buy and exhaust supplies of the 8gb cards.

igor_kavinski · Wednesday at 9:51 AM

marees said:
But first some scapegoats (who haven't read this thread) need to buy and exhaust supplies of the 8gb cards.

Or maybe not do that and let them rot on shelves and in warehouses.

jpiniero · Wednesday at 10:17 AM

marees said:
MLID expectation is that price of the 9060 xt 16gb will gradually decrease. So hold until that

But first some scapegoats (who haven't read this thread) need to buy and exhaust supplies of the 8gb cards.

I doubt it.. it's already $100 cheaper than the 5060 Ti 16 GB.

Bigos · Wednesday at 10:19 AM

marees said:
MLID expectation

There is no hope then, 9060XT will hold the price.

Rigg · Wednesday at 11:09 AM

DAPUNISHER said:
@Rigg

Following up our discussion in the RDNA4 thread.

After reading the post by the member you were conversing with at TPU, I used their high settings at 1080 with high ray tracing. I also used FG, which obviously does not improve IQ. So it is certainly not responsible for the drastic difference you are about to see. Homie claimed there are "no borked textures" You can't miss what was never there LOL! 🤣 Here are our respective screenshots in the same part of the bench.

EDIT: I almost nailed where they took the SS. You were right the first time, w1z's testing is poor.

Well that's swell. Now we are dealing with different levels of texture degradation. Good catch.

DAPUNISHER · Wednesday at 11:24 AM

Jaskalas said:
The results in that video are really trying to sell me on a 9060XT 16GB to replace the RTX 3060 Ti.
PCIe 3.0 here. That video is all sorts of uncomfortable.

As I mentioned before; you can still get a good price for your card. Reinvest in a 16GB and the out of pocket won't be bad at all. $200 give or take $25 is my estimate.

jpiniero said:
I doubt it.. it's already $100 cheaper than the 5060 Ti 16 GB.

Yeah, that tracks. Even the 2 fan Pulse is $379.99 at Newegg. I did see a PNY 5060ti 16GB for $429.99 the other morning in stock at Best Buy. Other than that it's been slim pickings.

Rigg · Wednesday at 11:48 AM

@DAPUNISHER Were you planning on posting your Monster Hunter screenshots over on TPU? I can't recreate them since the benchmark disables the RT option for AMD cards on Linux and I don't currently have a windows install on my gaming rig.

Mopetar · Wednesday at 12:11 PM

Next generation DLSS/FSR will include cope generation for people who continue to insist 8 GB VRAM is fine. Refined AA algorithms will ensure only the smoothest-brained takes and dedicated hardware will perform additional inderpolation to justify the low, low asking price of $500 for the privilege of owning such a product.

Rigg · Wednesday at 12:19 PM

More fuel for the fire. 5060 Ti testing coming next week.

Edit: Derp, I missed that @DAPUNISHER had already posted the HUB 9600 XT PCIE video. 🤣

mikeymikec · Wednesday at 12:34 PM

Rigg said:
More fuel for the fire. 5060 Ti testing coming next week.

WelshBloke · Wednesday at 1:15 PM

*FIRES UP OBLIVION REMASTERED*

Hmmmmmm, looks like it's using about 14GB of Vram at the moment!

DAPUNISHER · Wednesday at 1:26 PM

Rigg said:
@DAPUNISHER Were you planning on posting your Monster Hunter screenshots over on TPU?

No sir. And I'd expect the backfire effect from the 8GB defense force if I did. The member that posted those SS seems happy with their 4060. Ignorance is bliss, so I'll leave them be.

igor_kavinski · Wednesday at 1:28 PM

DAPUNISHER said:
The member that posted those SS seems happy with their 4060. Ignorance is bliss, so I'll leave them be.

They deserve the vaseline graphics they happily paid for!

Rigg · Wednesday at 1:53 PM

DAPUNISHER said:
No sir. And I'd expect the backfire effect from the 8GB defense force if I did. The member that posted those SS seems happy with their 4060. Ignorance is bliss, so I'll leave them be.

No worries. I just posted this comparison:

It's not apples to apples (because I can't enable RT) but i think it's pretty clear the high textures look considerably worse on his setup than mine. The blurriness seen in his video and screenshots appears to be from nerfed textures.

Ranulf · Wednesday at 2:05 PM

Good news everybody, its "playable"! On a 4790k with 2060Super. FSR turned on, RT low, textures at high. 1% low seemed to hover around 50-55fps during the run. It uh, looked kinda blurry. To be kind. Not bad for way under spec cpu (min is 3600x or 10400). Dang shaders took 10+ minutes to load. Est. Vram usage is 4.66GB out of 7.82 avail.

Rigg · Wednesday at 2:13 PM

Ranulf said:
Good news everybody, its "playable"! On a 4790k with 2060Super. FSR turned on, RT low, textures at high. 1% low seemed to hover around 50-55fps during the run. It uh, looked kinda blurry. To be kind. Not bad for way under spec cpu (min is 3600x or 10400). Dang shaders took 10+ minutes to load. Est. Vram usage is 4.66GB out of 7.82 avail.

If you're bored is there any chance you could try and grab some screenshots like mine above with the same settings I used? I started with the ultra preset and turned off upscaling, RT, and set textures to high. I realize this will probably be a slide show on your system, but I'm interested to see what the textures look like if you don't mind taking the time to do it.

Ranulf · Wednesday at 2:19 PM

DLSS instead of FSR and thus no frame gen available. Lows hit 18-20fps that I saw during the run, though I was afk for the first minute or so. Much of the run the low was 28-35fps. Note that the benchmark says this is "Good" vs playable for fsr + frame gen. There was less pixelization and blurriness at least.

Ranulf · Wednesday at 2:23 PM

Rigg said:
If you're bored is there any chance you could try and grab some screenshots like mine above with the same settings I used? I started with the ultra preset and turned off upscaling, RT, and set textures to high. I realize this will probably be a slide show on your system, but I'm interested to see what the textures look like if you don't mind taking the time to do it.

You're in luck, I already have a couple of shots from the FSR run I can post. One is at a similar point.

DAPUNISHER · Wednesday at 2:38 PM

Would have been good to see how much vram you guys are using on those runs.

@Rigg - His video looks blurry too. He has no idea what it can look like...

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