Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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hal2kilo

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Well.. I am not american. The issue is that Trump is not alone. It's their followers. There are a good bunch of them outside making Trump take a direction the rest of the country (even traiditional republicans) won't like.

And yeah, USA is a close ally of Israel, but seeing that Trump manages most of the army (heck, how in the hell he is sending the army to LA!??) and also Trump is close with Putin, I fear that would pull out of the situation, thinking that is best for him, but of course is a BIG screwup for the USA.

PS: I mentioned arabs since Iran won't launch an attack to Israel since is a sure loss, but with the Saudies or the rest of the arab countries is another story...
Explains a lot.
 

trenchfoot

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The way that Trump is expanding his grip on power in the USA by using our military to force his will on the people of the nation, it won't be too much longer that he'll send our own troops to Ukraine to fight for the Russians given how increasingly desperate the situation is for his handler Putin and his special military operation.
 

DZero

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The way that Trump is expanding his grip on power in the USA by using our military to force his will on the people of the nation, it won't be too much longer that he'll send our own troops to Ukraine to fight for the Russians given how increasingly desperate the situation is for his handler Putin and his special military operation.
Spoiler: it will fail. The army will rebel him and he will get the Nixon treatment at best.
 
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kage69

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Well.. I am not american. The issue is that Trump is not alone. It's their followers. There are a good bunch of them outside making Trump take a direction the rest of the country (even traiditional republicans) won't like.

And yeah, USA is a close ally of Israel, but seeing that Trump manages most of the army (heck, how in the hell he is sending the army to LA!??) and also Trump is close with Putin, I fear that would pull out of the situation, thinking that is best for him, but of course is a BIG screwup for the USA.

PS: I mentioned arabs since Iran won't launch an attack to Israel since is a sure loss, but with the Saudies or the rest of the arab countries is another story...

Right, so probably a good idea to quit trying to speak for Americans then, at least without support via citation. I applaud your interest, I just think you should read up on world events a bit more before trying so hard to annotate them for others. Don't get yourself confused for a cyka I guess is what I'm saying.

Some examples of why:

Iranians aren't Arabs, they're Persian and from the other side of the sectarian divide within Islam.

Iran has launched counter attacks, still doing it I think.

Sa'udi Arabia is the main regional opponent of Iran, and they've improved ties with Israel. If you feared American and Israeli friendly Sunnis attacking Israel to defend the Persian Shia in Tehran, well, then you've managed to not understand the basic balance of power in the region for the last 20ish years. Trump isn't being led by the people he conned, he's led by greed and ego, with a supporting role by Putin, probably blackmail. And no one is coming to Iran's aid. Not Russia, not Pakistan, certainly not Sunni governments who have been fighting proxy wars with Tehran for more than a decade.
 
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kage69

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Iran's military leadership is getting taken out by drones and those "worthless" F-35s, getting hunted down like so much of their AD did. While I'm furious over Israel's genocide against the Palestinians, I've never begrudged them for taking out Hamas, Hezbollah and the like. Nor would I hold it against them for specifically going after those who worked with Russia on Putin's attempt to draw the West away from Ukraine, by helping Iran/Hezbollah/Hamas. I still can't stand Bibi, but...

Adaptive, layered defense works

"Israeli authorities say that Iran launched fewer than 100 ballistic missiles, down from earlier estimates of at least 150 or higher, in two waves. In part, the Iranian missiles look to have targeted key anti-ballistic missile air defense sites, including in Tel Aviv, or at least have been aimed at overwhelming them. Though most of the missiles were reportedly intercepted, a small number made it through to the ground. Dozens of people were reportedly injured."

"The Israeli Security Cabinet has now met to assess options for responding to the latest Iranian strikes on Tel Aviv and elsewhere across the country. Tehran has now also threatened to expand the scope of its target list for further strikes on Israel if its oil and natural gas infrastructure is struck."


Ukraine needs an indigenous, lower cost Iron Dome of it's own I'd say. May they continue to surprise us
 

Jaskalas

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Fascists are getting the regime change blues.

Akhmat twat says Russia needs to mobilize a million soldiers

”no one would dare to play with us the way they played with all the other countries,now with Iran”

Yeah you do that
Ah, yes. This made some headlines.
Guess they are really pissed about Iran and feel that a SECOND million dead Russians is a good response.

Putin's general calls for massive mobilisation as he declares 'WW3 has already started'

In a message published on the social media platform Telegram on Friday, the deputy chief of the Russian armed forces' main military-political directorate wrote: "We need to declare mobilisation."
 

RnR_au

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trenchfoot

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Ah, yes. This made some headlines.
Guess they are really pissed about Iran and feel that a SECOND million dead Russians is a good response.

Putin's general calls for massive mobilisation as he declares 'WW3 has already started'

In a message published on the social media platform Telegram on Friday, the deputy chief of the Russian armed forces' main military-political directorate wrote: "We need to declare mobilisation."

Apart from Trump's treachery against Ukraine, it makes me wonder how NATO (sans USA) will react to that. It's an escalation that obviously needs responding to in some rather monumental way.
 

trenchfoot

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Imagine how America's defense industry moguls are getting more frustrated by the minute watching their European competitors making bank on Trump's hatred for Zelenskyy and Putin's grip on his ball sack. It seems our weapons developers don't have enough leverage over Trump to persuade him to open the barn doors to Ukraine's bank account and the opportunities to field test their hardware like our European counterparts are doing this very minute.
 

K1052

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Imagine how America's defense industry moguls are getting more frustrated by the minute watching their European competitors making bank on Trump's hatred for Zelenskyy and Putin's grip on his ball sack. It seems our weapons developers don't have enough leverage over Trump to persuade him to open the barn doors to Ukraine's bank account and the opportunities to field test their hardware like our European counterparts are doing this very minute.

It's impressive how he made the Euros finally open their wallets for defense only to have them not spend their wad in the US at all. Truly a great piece of work. Rubio was complaining to them that the US is not going to get a crack at it lol.
 
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cytg111

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It's impressive how he made the Euros finally open their wallets for defense only to have them not spend their wad in the US at all. Truly a great piece of work. Rubio was complaining to them that the US is not going to get a crack at it lol.
Same exact strategy as declaring trade war vs everyone at once. I guess it was not conceivable that we'd begin talking to each other instead and cutting Trump out.
 
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