Yes but 20% maga base is not in love with Vance
edit: This is a night of the long knives moment.
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Yes but 20% maga base is not in love with VanceCompletely disagree, Vance in some ways is even more dangerous, he understands how the system works and most of the time isn’t going to sound like your crazy uncle. I see no daylight between them in their desired policy outcomes.
Yes he's smarter. But he also doesnt have the same loyal butt kissers. He won't do as much damage. And he is willing to still help UkraineCompletely disagree, Vance in some ways is even more dangerous, he understands how the system works and most of the time isn’t going to sound like your crazy uncle. I see no daylight between them in their desired policy outcomes.
Quite annoying how many posts I see on various threads about this (not AT ones) from idiot Trumpists repeating disinformation they've gotten from their fellow idiots, claiming the identified suspect was a "Democrat", purely because Walz reappointed him to the non-partisan post he'd previously been appointed to by a Republican.
Everything I've read says he was first appointed to that board by Mark Dayton who is a Democratic-Farmer-Labor. I can't find anything that says what party Boelter belongs to.
Yeah, think you are correct about that (my mistake). Don't see that that says anything about the guy's own politics. All I've seen reported about the guy himself is he was overtly Christian, and only had Democrats on his target list.
Both minnesota state Democratic lawmakers. Minnesota state police are now advising people not to attend ANY "No Kings" demonstrations, but only two of those gatherings have been called off.
So all Trump needs is a murderer masquerading as a policeman in all 50 states to kill one or two public servants, and there goes the "No Kings" gatherings when he's dishonoring our military and us taxpayers with his multi-million-dollar birthday celebration.
Birthday. How many wish the sumbitch had never been born?
In Oakland, CA today:Birthday. How many wish the sumbitch had never been born?
Have people forgotten? Antifa = anti-fascist. What sane person isn't that?Every day I go out in public, I have this thought in my mind that I'd like to give someone a roundhouse smack in the face and 5 years of reconstructive surgery. But I haven't done it yet: motives driven or contained by "Rule of Law".
And by the way. Has anyone actually created an "Antifa" that isn't a figment of GOP imagination? Because I want to join.
Tonight, -- this afternoon -- I'll be at a fundraiser for my congressman -- Takano. The question I take with me posed by several seniors in their late 70s: "Do you, the senators, and all of your responsible colleagues in congress -- have a 'plan'?" I'll tell him to take that back to DC.
Yeah, think you are correct about that (my mistake). Don't see that that says anything about the guy's own politics. All I've seen reported about the guy himself is he was overtly Christian, and only had Democrats on his target list.
For some context...
Republican extremists, who eventually became MAGA, disavow the "Republican" party for not being extreme enough.
I separated from that path, others I know personally did not.
Any Republican not MAGA enough is deemed a RINO, or a Democrat in disguise.
Which includes pretty much EVERY SINGLE Republican before Trump.
However, their seething hatred for Democrats is a constant anchor that defines them.
So if this terrorist wasn't just a regular nutjob, he would fit the motive of a MAGA nutjob. However, if he did not declare himself in some way, if the people that knew him did not know his affiliation. That would be a surprise. MAGA usually have to loudly and proudly declare themselves. It is the dogmatic zeal to which they cling to Trump's bosom. So if he was really quiet, and no investigation can discover such affiliation, I would be fine in declaring this one as a lone nutter.
OTOH, MAGA's obsession with declaring any and all violence as Democrat.... sigh.... No surprise there, just continued disappointment.
Well, on what little has been said so far, it sounds like an anti-abortion (Christian fundie?) agenda. So maybe not directly connected to the current upsurge of Trump-related extremism? Just the same old traditional right-wing extremism. Perhaps individual 'mental health' issues as well? So far sounds vaguely reminiscent of Dan White.
I'm actually surprised that the "Left" has not already started throwing Molotov cocktails.For some context...
Republican extremists, who eventually became MAGA, disavow the "Republican" party for not being extreme enough.
I separated from that path, others I know personally did not.
Any Republican not MAGA enough is deemed a RINO, or a Democrat in disguise.
Which includes pretty much EVERY SINGLE Republican before Trump.
However, their seething hatred for Democrats is a constant anchor that defines them.
So if this terrorist wasn't just a regular nutjob, he would fit the motive of a MAGA nutjob. However, if he did not declare himself in some way, if the people that knew him did not know his affiliation. That would be a surprise. MAGA usually have to loudly and proudly declare themselves. It is the dogmatic zeal to which they cling to Trump's bosom. So if he was really quiet, and no investigation can discover such affiliation, I would be fine in declaring this one as a lone nutter.
OTOH, MAGA's obsession with declaring any and all violence as Democrat.... sigh.... No surprise there, just continued disappointment.
I'm actually surprised that the "Left" has not already started throwing Molotov cocktails.
I suspect Boelter has collaborators -- people who've aided and abetted his evasion from capture. Could he have managed to leave Minnesota? There's a chance of some degree.
I'm most adamant that he be captured just because he might expand the carnage.
MAGA suffers from classic double think: anti-fascist are the real fascists.Have people forgotten? Antifa = anti-fascist. What sane person isn't that?
This video is quite something.MAGA suffers from classic double think: anti-fascist are the real fascists.
Bonhoeffer nailed it. From the vid description - "What if stupidity isn’t about intelligence at all, but about surrendering the will to think? We explore Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s timeless insights into human behavior — revealing how smart, well-meaning people can fall into dangerous patterns of unthinking conformity."
Cognitive bias is a systematic thought process caused by the tendency of the human brain to simplify information processing through a filter of personal experience and preferences. The filtering process is a coping mechanism that enables the brain to prioritize and process large amounts of information quickly. Jan 23, 2025
Case in point.The trouble with prematurely claiming political ideologies: looks fucking stupid if you're wrong.
Today's roll from the Drudgereport....
Guess we are starting to confirm who the shooter is. His motive, I mean.
Of note: Trump supporters spent the entire day spreading misinformation... to try and suggest the assassin was a Democrat.
https://x.com/mattmfm/status/1934031531070116003
IIRC, Dan White resigned from his post as city councilmember, then changed his mind and asked (demanded, I suppose) he be reinstated by the mayor. When the mayor refused he ate some Twinkies and shot the mayor and fellow councilmember and gay activist/champion Harvey Milk. I don't see this resembling this asshole shooting Democratic legislators in MN other than a gun and enmity.Well, on what little has been said so far, it sounds like an anti-abortion (Christian fundie?) agenda. So maybe not directly connected to the current upsurge of Trump-related extremism? Just the same old traditional right-wing extremism. Perhaps individual 'mental health' issues as well? So far sounds vaguely reminiscent of Dan White.
Good that he's been detained. I hope questioning...answers important questions.Live Updated
June 15, 2025, 11:25 p.m. ET6 minutes ago
Live Updates: Suspect in Minnesota Attacks Is Detained, Ending Manhunt
The suspect in the assassination of a Minnesota state lawmaker and the shooting of a second possessed a notebook that mentioned about 70 potential targets, some in neighboring states, that included politicians, civic and business leaders, and Planned Parenthood centers, according to law enforcement officials.
The suspect, Vance Boelter, 57, was in police custody on Sunday after a two-day manhunt. Officials believe he is the gunman who impersonated a police officer and fatally shot Representative Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark, and wounded State Senator John A. Hoffman and his wife, Yvette, early Saturday morning.
IIRC, Dan White resigned from his post as city councilmember, then changed his mind and asked (demanded, I suppose) he be reinstated by the mayor. When the mayor refused he ate some Twinkies and shot the mayor and fellow councilmember and gay activist/champion Harvey Milk. I don't see this resembling this asshole shooting Democratic legislators in MN other than a gun and enmity.
I'm glad good people of Minnesota still came out. Can't let evil MAGAts scare us away.Both minnesota state Democratic lawmakers. Minnesota state police are now advising people not to attend ANY "No Kings" demonstrations, but only two of those gatherings have been called off.
So all Trump needs is a murderer masquerading as a policeman in all 50 states to kill one or two public servants, and there goes the "No Kings" gatherings when he's dishonoring our military and us taxpayers with his multi-million-dollar birthday celebration.
Birthday. How many wish the sumbitch had never been born?
Lee on Sunday took to X and posted a photo of a man accused of posing as a police officer and shooting two Democratic lawmakers and their spouses.
"This is what happens...When Marxists don't get their way,"
I'm speculating wildly-prematurely, but Dan White had right-wing views, but arguably was also a bit of a nut with "personal issues". Just saying this seems, so far, maybe more of a local issue with a lone oddball than part of some wider assault on democracy (not that such an assault isn't also underway) . And also, as always, a consequence of US gun culture.
Proud Boys sent out the messageYea , it could be unrelated. But meh, plenty of others out there actually planning violence as “counter protest”
White Supremacists Advocate Violence at Anti-Trump 'No Kings' Protests
White supremacist and far-right groups, including the Proud Boys and White Lives Matter, are mobilizing around the June 14 “No Kings” anti-Trump protests, sharing protest locations, targeting organizers, and calling for violence. The protests coincide with Trump’s birthday and a military parade...globalextremism.org
Shoot a couple, the rest will go home