Could the Third Time Be the Charm on Impeachment?

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Pens1566

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@brycejones

Democrats are not thought to be unlikely to take the House in 2026. If that happens, particularly if it's not by a whisker, a 3rd impeachment would appear very likely.

Unless there is some sort of smoking gun evidence of something very bad and very straightforward, the likes of which we haven't yet seen, the prospect of going through another guaranteed failure wonk-fest is a straight up loser politically speaking.
 

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Unless there is some sort of smoking gun evidence of something very bad and very straightforward, the likes of which we haven't yet seen, the prospect of going through another guaranteed failure wonk-fest is a straight up loser politically speaking.
No, no. Impeachment is pretty simple. I don't think you've read the linked article. "Smoking gun?" There are already smoking craters all over the bloody country.
 

Pens1566

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No, no. Impeachment is pretty simple. I don't think you've read the linked article. "Smoking gun?" There are already smoking craters all over the bloody country.

It's an academic exercise/discussion based on the accepted norms and legal theories that have been completely thrown out the window for the last handful of years. They no longer matter.

There is no realistic scenario where the Senate turns over enough in '26 that will bring about a conviction on anything even hinted at so far. There have been so many "slam dunk" "this will be the one" "we've got him this time" situations and none of them have amounted to anything. A 220-215 impeachment vote leading to another forgone conclusion of a show trial acquittal in the senate is political suicide (and malpractice) for anyone involved.
 
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trenchfoot

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Democrats taking both houses of Congress will at least scare the skivvies off of Trump and neuter his chances for mounting that Christo-fascist Corporate Authoritarian State he's been wanting so bad. Impeaching him is a double edged sword. The risk assessment the Democrat Caucus will ponder over should be a really mind bending task involving actual political careers being at stake.

Thing that concerns me most about impeaching that felonious sex perv again is how it will enrage his supporters and if that will be to their benefit or not. Seems to me the two previous impeachment attempts gave Trump's MAGAts something to rally around and pull in more support for Trump giving him a win in that column. Same with those unsuccessful assassination attempts he survived through.

As was previously mentioned, if a third attempt fails there's no telling how much of a boost in power Trump will get out of it. The two previous attempts did nothing to stop Trump from winning his second term. I can't blame him at all for feeling invincible and untouchable given how his abject failure as a leader and the rather convincing allegations and dirty deeds he racked up have been simply swept aside by the folks that gave him his second chance at hacking away at Our Constitution and the Rule of Law to his delight.
 

Greenman

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Rather than impeachment maybe the democrats could try running a candidate that has some common ground with the majority of voters.
 
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Muse

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It's an academic exercise/discussion based on the accepted norms and legal theories that have been completely thrown out the window for the last handful of years. They no longer matter.

There is no realistic scenario where the Senate turns over enough in '26 that will bring about a conviction on anything even hinted at so far. There have been so many "slam dunk" "this will be the one" "we've got him this time" situations and none of them have amounted to anything. A 220-215 impeachment vote leading to another forgone conclusion of a show trial acquittal in the senate is political suicide (and malpractice) for anyone involved.
What are you? A closet Republican. Get outta here with this garbage. Just sit on your hands because you don't anticipate trump being bulldozed out of DC? Normalize the unimaginable? WTF...

A 220-215 impeachment vote leading to another forgone conclusion of a show trial acquittal in the senate is political suicide (and malpractice) for anyone involved.

That's your opinion. We'll see what happens. Since impeachment doesn't lead to conviction in this partisan landscape we're in hasn't stopped 2 impeachments of Donald Trump. Will it stop a 3rd? I don't think so. And who knows? By 2026 it may be political suicide for a Republican senator to vote against impeachment conviction if Trump's actions are sufficiently destructive.
 
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Democrats taking both houses of Congress will at least scare the skivvies off of Trump and neuter his chances for mounting that Christo-fascist Corporate Authoritarian State he's been wanting so bad. Impeaching him is a double edged sword. The risk assessment the Democrat Caucus will ponder over should be a really mind bending task involving actual political careers being at stake.

Thing that concerns me most about impeaching that felonious sex perv again is how it will enrage his supporters and if that will be to their benefit or not. Seems to me the two previous impeachment attempts gave Trump's MAGAts something to rally around and pull in more support for Trump giving him a win in that column. Same with those unsuccessful assassination attempts he survived through.

As was previously mentioned, if a third attempt fails there's no telling how much of a boost in power Trump will get out of it. The two previous attempts did nothing to stop Trump from winning his second term. I can't blame him at all for feeling invincible and untouchable given how his abject failure as a leader and the rather convincing allegations and dirty deeds he racked up have been simply swept aside by the folks that gave him his second chance at hacking away at Our Constitution and the Rule of Law to his delight.
You don't just say OK, WTF, we can't convict, we'll just pretend he isn't doing all this shit. You figure it's all made him more invincible. If that's true then America is just plowing itself under. Get the truth out there. No, they won't show it on Fox News. Some of it WILL get seen in the MSM. There will be broadcast hearings. Fuck MAGA. People who can't be reached will be left behind.

I can't blame him at all for feeling invincible and untouchable given how his abject failure as a leader and the rather convincing allegations and dirty deeds he racked up have been simply swept aside by the folks that gave him his second chance at hacking away at Our Constitution and the Rule of Law to his delight.
You can't blame him but I can. He's not invincible. A bullet whizzed by his head 2 inches from where it would have rid us of this miscreant. Death WILL rid us of him. He's decaying before our eyes and ears. I can't stand him. He could be removed by the 25th. If things go south enough, that will happen.

The article notes that experts say that already in the 6 months of this misadminstration he's committed 3-8 or more quite impeachable offences. With each impeachment he's more vulnerable than the last. A lot could (WILL) happen before the midterms and very very likely the situation will be more dire than now.
 
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Fenixgoon

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Rather than impeachment maybe the democrats could try running a candidate that has some common ground with the majority of voters.
One candidate grew up in a working class household, worked hard and went to law school, became an attorney general, then sensor, then VP.

Vs

The other candidate, who was the child of a real estate mogul, was gifted a business empire, launched multiple failed business that went bust, became a reality TV celebrity, and eventually ran for president
 

Muse

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To you who claim that failing to convict makes impeachment meaningless, these 3 paragraphs finish the OP linked article:

A failure to achieve a Senate conviction does not, however, guarantee that Trump gets off the hook. A number of the impeachable offenses cited above would justify criminal inquiries, especially Trump’s cryptocurrency profiteering. The president’s ventures into digital currency clearly fall outside the standard of “official acts” that the Supreme Court exempted from criminal prosecution in its 2024 decision, Trump v. United States.

So the man who once boasted “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters” may one day get his comeuppance. There is no guarantee that will happen, of course, but it may turn out that some sense of justice has survived Trump’s multipronged assault on our legal system.

If Trump does go scot-free, untouched by either a third impeachment or criminal prosecution, it will be an extraordinary miscarriage of justice. Even so, if he is allowed to retire peacefully to enjoy his cryptocurrency wealth, his presidency will still go down in history as the embodiment of injustice, malfeasance, cruelty and transgression.
 

zinfamous

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Rather than impeachment maybe the democrats could try running a candidate that has some common ground with the majority of voters.

ah yes, @Greenman, who also grew up shitting from golden toilets and exploiting minority indentured servants through 3 generations of tax-evading familial social theft, raped dozens of women and children on his path to 2 dozen failed businesses, hosted oligarchs in their preposterously illegal casino and brothel on an entire floor directly below his gold-plated post-deco shitfuck manhattan tower over 2 decades, organized and led a coup against the United States...is here to tell us that he's just like his guy.

This motherfucker. Right here, is admitting that he's on common ground with this fucking criminal foreign asset.

That's what he's actually saying.
 

manly

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Someone told you what you wanted to hear. Yes Trump suffered so many consequences he is President again.

Lol
OP is same guy who said "what me, worry?" right after DJT was elected. And he has a penchant for just popping off if you dare disagree with him LOL.



 

Muse

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OP is same guy who said "what me, worry?" right after DJT was elected. And he has a penchant for just popping off if you dare disagree with him LOL.



Will you stop fucking gaslighting me already? What's your trip?

I said I didn't know what would happen but that Donald has promised lots of stuff that never happened. I didn't say "What me worry." I'm not saying that now. I'm saying we don't know what's coming but we already see a shitload of things he can be impeached for. Not impeaching the most impeachable POTUS ever (if it can be done, and even if it can't) is absurd and a lost opportunity.
 
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