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trenchfoot

Lifer
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Looks like 10 million is the magic number, or just over 6800 a day if you prefer smaller numbers. Would any other nation on the planet tolerate that?

So current numbers as
The panic over a few million people who are statistically more law abiding than the native born population and do the jobs we don't want to do should be embarrassing to any rational person.

Given the stats in this thread, Greenman is very concerned with how ~2% of the general population is existentially threatening the other 98%. Funny how millions upon millions of illegal murderers, child rapists and pet eaters as described daily by Trump can be statistically whittled down to an insignificant yet essential percentage of the population, many of whom if not most are successfully contributing to the nation's economy and are an integral working part of it.
 
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Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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So current numbers as


Given the stats in this thread, Greenman is very concerned with how ~2% of the general population is existentially threatening the other 98%. Funny how millions upon millions of illegal murderers, child rapists and pet eaters as described daily by Trump can be statistically whittled down to an insignificant yet essential percentage of the population, many of whom if not most are successfully contributing to the nation's economy and are an integral working part of it.
The only part of this that matters is "illegal". When you do something that's illegal there are often consequences to that action. It doesn't matter how many or how few commit the crime, it doesn't matter if they're really nice people that you'd want to marry your daughter. The crime is what matters, the crime is the focus, the crime is what will be adjudicated.
I'm more than a little surprised this needs to be explained.
 
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VashHT

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It doesn't matter, the threshold for a crime having been committed is one.
Figures, no comment on citizens/legal residents being detained for weeks/months at a time for no reason. No comment on masked thugs kidnapping people while refusing to identify themselves or produce any kind of warrant. No comment on people following the legal process getting arrested at immigration courts. Just a brain-dead regurgitation of puddle deep right wing logic.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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Figures, no comment on citizens/legal residents being detained for weeks/months at a time for no reason. No comment on masked thugs kidnapping people while refusing to identify themselves or produce any kind of warrant. No comment on people following the legal process getting arrested at immigration courts. Just a brain-dead regurgitation of puddle deep right wing logic.
I never commented on the means, methods, or legality's of how the situation was being dealt with, so your angry comments are both misplaced and worthless. Understand the discussion before saying something stupid.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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The only part of this that matters is "illegal". When you do something that's illegal there are often consequences to that action. It doesn't matter how many or how few commit the crime, it doesn't matter if they're really nice people that you'd want to marry your daughter. The crime is what matters, the crime is the focus, the crime is what will be adjudicated.
I'm more than a little surprised this needs to be explained.


Unless it’s a Republican president, right?
 

JD50

Lifer
Sep 4, 2005
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The only part of this that matters is "illegal". When you do something that's illegal there are often consequences to that action. It doesn't matter how many or how few commit the crime, it doesn't matter if they're really nice people that you'd want to marry your daughter. The crime is what matters, the crime is the focus, the crime is what will be adjudicated.
I'm more than a little surprised this needs to be explained.
Do you think we should create a police state to catch and prosecute every single crime that is committed? Every single instance of jay walking needs to be caught and punished. Every time someone drives a mile over the speed limit they need to be caught and punished. Do we need enough police to catch and punish every single person who doesn't come to a complete stop at a stop sign for 3 seconds?

Or maybe instead of enlisting every single adult as a police officer and spending trillions of dollars to enforce every law on the books one hundred percent of the time, we focus on the crimes that are actually harming people and catch the little ones when we can? Which approach do you think is more reasonable?
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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I had to smirk a little when I compared Trump's first term criminal Alien convictions compared with Biden's, especially when Trump was relying heavily on the immigration issue as a vote getter:


Add in the fact that the much stricter bi-partisan immigration bill the Senate passed under Biden was sunk by at the time ex-president Trump because it would have pissed on Trump's main weapon to use against Kamala and now I'm left to wonder what the stats would've looked like if Kamala won compared with Trump's measly record as shown in the chart provided by the Dept. of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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The only part of this that matters is "illegal". When you do something that's illegal there are often consequences to that action. It doesn't matter how many or how few commit the crime, it doesn't matter if they're really nice people that you'd want to marry your daughter. The crime is what matters, the crime is the focus, the crime is what will be adjudicated.
I'm more than a little surprised this needs to be explained.
You don't give a shit about crime as long as the perps look like you. Classic Camp Trump dogma
 
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The only part of this that matters is "illegal". When you do something that's illegal there are often consequences to that action. It doesn't matter how many or how few commit the crime, it doesn't matter if they're really nice people that you'd want to marry your daughter. The crime is what matters, the crime is the focus, the crime is what will be adjudicated.
I'm more than a little surprised this needs to be explained.
It's funny how you care so much about these civil offenses, but don't seem to give two shits about the [insert everything the Trump administration is illegally doing]. Can't white put my finger on why....
 
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