Supreme Court approves of Trump as neo-Hitler?

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gothuevos

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If I have their ruling correct, it means...
SCOTUS: "Human Rights and the Rule of Law do not need protections, violations can stand until we decide on them years later. If we can be bothered to hear your case"​

I think that's pretty much it, a complete wrap on the Constitution. Call time of death... 1789-2025.
Like I've said before, I really think the founding fathers would be impressed it even lasted this long.
 

trenchfoot

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So sad and hate to say this, we liberals can do what we can to stem the tide of authoritarianism that Trump has a hard on for. However, it's really up to the folks who voted for him to clean up the shitshow they created.

Enough of them are going to have to change their minds about Trump despite how convinced they previously were that he was somehow the better choice to make. And fuck all to the MAGAts, they're way too far gone for them to come back to the world where reality really does matter to the rest of us.

They need to realize that the dreamworld Trump lulled them into is an actual nightmare they may still refuse to acknowledge out of pride, egotism and latent racist leanings.
 

mikeymikec

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So sad and hate to say this, we liberals can do what we can to stem the tide of authoritarianism that Trump has a hard on for. However, it's really up to the folks who voted for him to clean up the shitshow they created.

This would be the ideal outcome, though it's worth remembering that the Nazis were not stopped by German conservatives.
 
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cytg111

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If the Democratic Party retakes power, they need to go after everybody with a sledgehammer with no mercy.
And thats why the old guard needs to go or you will just have another Biden. You need someone who is willing to gut SCOTUS and do a reset. Who would do that? Gavin? Kamala? Would AOC do that? Bernie?
 

cytg111

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This would be the ideal outcome, though it's worth remembering that the Nazis were not stopped by German conservatives.
No but the buildup momentum was how many dead?
And Germany started WW I and II with nothing.. and almost took it all.
Suppose Germany started as the worlds biggest superpower...
I dont like where this is going lets try another path
 

K1052

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The entire thing is a completely made up issue so that Republicans can pick people's pockets. They made a lot of hay about a non-issue and rubes like the NYT launder ridiculous think piece trash.

I am often torn on how to describe the NYT as such an incredibly easy mark for right wing agitprop. Either they are irresponsible morons of an incredible caliber trying to both sides every issue or they philosophically agree with it. I mean they let Rufo lead them around by the nose on the DEI stuff and he TOLD them that is what he was doing. The number of times they interview some "independent voter" who turns out to be the local chair of the GOP party, a J6er, or a publicly active member of the KKK and present them as the common man is so incredible as to invite suspicion.

I dunno if I was a reporter/editor/publisher I might harbor some suspicion that not everybody tells the truth and spend two fucking minutes googling them instead of just printing lies in my newspaper. Unless they want to print the lies.
 
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I am often torn on how to describe the NYT as such an incredibly easy mark for right wing agitprop. Either they are irresponsible morons of an incredible caliber trying to both sides every issue or they philosophically agree with it. I mean they let Rufo lead them around by the nose on the DEI stuff and he TOLD them that is what he was doing. The number of times they interview some "independent voter" who turns out to be the local chair of the GOP party, a J6er, or a publicly active member of the KKK and present them as the common man is so incredible as to invite suspicion.

I dunno if I was a reporter/editor/publisher I might harbor some suspicion that not everybody tells the truth and spend two fucking minutes googling them instead of just printing lies in my newspaper. Unless they want to print the lies.
I saw it said recently that in 2020, Sulzberger saw a news room revolt and protesters march by the NYT HQ, so he took steps to make sure those situations never arise again.

Besides the potential truth to that statement, I think there are a number of very credulous people at the NYT, as sometimes exhibited by their defense of weird stories they've written, people high on their own supply of elite education or being in NYC, and editorial staff that are fine with lies being written (especially through the bs euphemisms used in headlines).
 

BonzaiDuck

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In October I was having lunch with a friend at an otherwise nice Italian restaurant named "Pietro's" -- also the name of a young insurance rep who struck me as a truly hot chick, but I'm 40 years too old to pursue the possibilities. But -- the restaurant . . .

I wasn't wearing my hearing aids, so my voice was louder than it should have been, discussing the November election prospects. I remember noting that "they" were going to dismantle our various institutions which had been built over the last 100 years with blood, sweat and tears.

Trumpers were sitting in the booth nearby, although the restaurant had appeared empty to me -- odd for lunch time. The man and woman got up, came by our table and made trouble for me because "they had to listen to my Trump criticisms".

At some point, the woman observed that Trump had distanced himself from Project 2025, so it wasn't true what I said about the risk to our government. I wonder what they are thinking now.

However. After reading this thread, seeing that the NYT is now under assault and that the reasons for criticizing the NYT may have some validity, I've decided to add NYT to my subscriptions along with LA Times and Washington Post.

I had observed some 40 years ago that the variously named Washington Times or Washington Star -- an alternative to the Post -- had done the same that Kohn currently accuses the NYT of doing.

I vet all my media according to whether or not I discover that they deliberately tell lies. But in order to read the NYT, I'll need a digital subscription. I have to "take it for a test spin". FOX Cable News has long been expunged from sources worth my time. I had discovered several cases of deliberate lies purveyed by FOX which would indicate that they consider their faithful audience to be mentally challenged and an opportunity to distort public opinion by misleading their group of morons.
 
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At some point, the woman observed that Trump had distanced himself from Project 2025, so it wasn't true what I said about the risk to our government. I wonder what they are thinking now.
I'm betting they aren't thinking now. They have to be completely credulous idiots to have believed the things Trump says he would or wouldn't do, because he's taken every position under the sun and is a chronic, well-documented liar about even the smallest things.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I'm betting they aren't thinking now. They have to be completely credulous idiots to have believed the things Trump says he would or wouldn't do, because he's taken every position under the sun and is a chronic, well-documented liar about even the smallest things.
Another thing I'd remarked to my luncheon friend was that abortion was a human right. These people with their confusion about religious versus secular morality really get their panties in a bunch over their little embryos and fetuses -- taking moral responsibility for what everyone else wants to do with their own bodies. I'm actually glad that I made them choke on their seafood linguine. It would even have been more entertaining if someone had needed to call the paramedics to administer the Heimlich maneuver.
 
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HomerJS

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SCOTUS has opened the door to dictator Trump

Trump can now do something blatantly unconstitutional like banning black people from voting. A stay from a federal district court could easily and quickly stay that but now they can’t. In order to fix it nationwide you have to sue in all 200+ federal districts or get a class action lawsuit which again takes time. Meanwhile the election moves forward without blacks voting.

Since SCOTUS created immunity for Trump he can’t even be prosecuted for it. Republicans don’t have the stones to kick him out of office.

So he gets away with it
 
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trenchfoot

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SCOTUS has opened the door to dictator Trump

Trump can now do something blatantly unconstitutional like banning black people from voting. A stay from a federal district court could easily and quickly stay that but now they can’t. In order to fix it nationwide you have to sue in all 200+ federal districts or get a class action lawsuit which again takes time. Meanwhile the election moves forward without blacks voting.

Since SCOTUS created immunity for Trump he can’t even be prosecuted for it. Republicans don’t have the stones to kick him out of office.

So he gets away with it

We all knew the conservative controlled SCOTUS is blatantly corrupt from well before the moment they seized control of it. And they're being open about it because they know they have been, are now and into the future immune from their disregard of The Constitution of which they assumptively stand on. Thomas and Alito are perfect examples of the arrogance with which they showcase their being corrupted by the oligarchs of the nation with no apparent penalty being dealt out to them. They've simply waved off their criminality with dismissive aplomb. Their being openly casual about their treachery is everything we need to know how unaccountable they are to the people they were meant to serve.

The kicker? The Republicans of the nation remain silent on this issue even though untold millions of them are being negatively exploited from the totality of the decisions coming out of that court. Boggles the mind that they remain obsequiously cowed into silence like that, that they would give up their inalienable rights and get triggered into blaming the Democrats for their miseries like they always do.
 

Jaskalas

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SCOTUS has opened the door to dictator Trump
Trump can now do something blatantly unconstitutional like banning black people from voting....
So he gets away with it
Open rebellion against anyone enforcing such federal "law".
The will of an emperor is meant to be deposed.
 

uclaLabrat

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Keep voting and making things difficult legally for conservative monsters. Continue to weaponize federalism and twist the rulings to push liberal causes.

And individually, I could see some people taking more unilateral actions (and potential responsibility) that can come from living under a government that is not representing the people and actively seeking to make lives worse.
Someone pointed out that repubs have used these types of injunctions to insulate themselves from national mandates (vaccine, masks, etc) so this ruling may indicate they don't feel the need for that sort of legal obstacle anymore, meaning they don't intend to be out of power. Ever.
 
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Someone pointed out that repubs have used these types of injunctions to insulate themselves from national mandates (vaccine, masks, etc) so this ruling may indicate they don't feel the need for that sort of legal obstacle anymore, meaning they don't intend to be out of power. Ever.
Yes, well, that's why people can feel free to get creative in their actions.
 

K1052

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Generally speaking, as a would be dictator, you want to consolidate power while you are popular and not at 40% and dropping.
 
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ivwshane

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Generally speaking, as a would be dictator, you want to consolidate power while you are popular and not at 40% and dropping.
Does it matter when you have your minions imbedded into the other branches of government that are supposed to be a check on your power?
 
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trenchfoot

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Methinks the midterms coming around the corner is going to be absolutely soaked with misinformation coming from Trump and his organized crime family way more so than ever before because they have to distract from and cover up the big tax cut giveaways to the very wealthy and the slash and burn campaign of essential social services that millions of poverty stricken Republicans rely on for maintaining a barely survivable standard of living. These debilitating effects of Trump's Big Beautiful Tax Cut For The Rich Bill are going to be buried so much more deeper under the existing quagmire of lies, disinformation, rumors and hoax conspiracy theories that already exists of which it will be up to the Democrats to keep that from happening.

I really do hope that there were some very hard hitting lessons the Democrat leadership learned from the 2024 debacle that won't be repeated as playing catch up to the Trump party's dirty deeds and tricks like they did is of course a loser's game. Staying in front of the chaos and confusion the Republicans will surely attempt again to create for maximum effect will be difficult, but as we've all been witness to and learned in 2024, it's literally do or die for the Democrat party in '26 and '28.
 

ivwshane

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Methinks the midterms coming around the corner is going to be absolutely soaked with misinformation coming from Trump and his organized crime family way more so than ever before because they have to distract from and cover up the big tax cut giveaways to the very wealthy and the slash and burn campaign of essential social services that millions of poverty stricken Republicans rely on for maintaining a barely survivable standard of living. These debilitating effects of Trump's Big Beautiful Tax Cut For The Rich Bill are going to be buried so much more deeper under the existing quagmire of lies, disinformation, rumors and hoax conspiracy theories that already exists of which it will be up to the Democrats to keep that from happening.

I really do hope that there were some very hard hitting lessons the Democrat leadership learned from the 2024 debacle that won't be repeated as playing catch up to the Trump party's dirty deeds and tricks like they did is of course a loser's game. Staying in front of the chaos and confusion the Republicans will surely attempt again to create for maximum effect will be difficult, but as we've all been witness to and learned in 2024, it's literally do or die for the Democrat party in '26 and '28.

Your hope seems to be that democrats will need to get ahead of misinformation but you are forgetting that the two largest social media platforms are controlled by people who prefer the right side of the political spectrum and who both have access to the Republican party and getting their way. In other words, those who control the narrative have it in their best interest to make sure the republicans win.

We can blame democrats but I’m not sure your expectations are realistic.
 

cytg111

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When you do minority rule eventually its going to be hard to escape this picture from Hungary.



I guess No Kings No More Wars is heading in that direction.

But yea R is going to do whatever it has to do to retain power, being algorithms and social media, nationalism and immigrant hate, cable news ala Fox, podcasts - and blast whatever sticks with no attachment to reality or facts.

And D simply does not have the infrastructure.

One thing D's could do is use the Musk Trump rift and bribe him over with promise of spacex and ev credits... You need something like X and his billions.
 

Greenman

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Pretty good read about the history and use of nationwide injunctions at Wikipedia. It's not nearly as cut and dried as I thought.
 
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Pretty good read about the history and use of nationwide injunctions at Wikipedia. It's not nearly as cut and dried as I thought.
Nationwide injunctions aren't inherently a bad thing, considering the federal government exists in all jurisdictions. If it's doing something clearly unconstitutional, it should be stopped from doing it instead of having to fight it in about hundred federal districts.
 
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