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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    Actually it was HP Probook 6465b way back (2013). I sold quite a few of those and installed a second 4GB sodimm (Kingston). Notebook worked well but sometimes it did not wake from sleep. All memorytest etc. passed with flying colors. As soon I put "original" HP instead problems stopped. Of...
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    It is not always my decision. Customer needs come first (budget+time was critical also). This model comes with one 32GB sodimm. To get dual channel one needs to put one 32GB "original" Lenovo SODIMM > 300€. General/compatible Kingston would be cheap (<100€) but we need time to test those. I have...
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    LENOVO P16V G1 R7-7840HS/16WQUXGA/32GB/1TB/RTX-A1000/W11P/3P Memory single channel, W11P installed with default settings, Windows update & System Update PES is a really nice tool to see differences in CPU powerlimits between AC and DC. AC: DC:
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    LENOVO L14 G5 R5-7535U/14WUXGA/16GB/512SSD/W11P/3OS 21L5001LMX Single channel DDR5-4800 Windows 11 Pro installed, all drivers via Windows Update only (I prefer now a days use only WU, check with manufacturer tools from time time) One oddity when using Lenovo System Update, it offered only AMD...
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    Question WASM benchmarks to test your CPU using Firefox (Justin's and pspdfkit)

    I did choose 64 threads.
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    Question WASM benchmarks to test your CPU using Firefox (Justin's and pspdfkit)

    I tried this on our "new" Hyper-V host just for fun (processor from ebay, other stuff is actually new). Running via Teamviewer, it may affect results? EPYC 7551P (32/64), 2.0Ghz base, turbo 2.5Ghz (running Server 2022), 64GB ECC RAM (2666Mhz)
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    Quick test with PBO-TJmax65c & EXPO5600, 1.25V
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    I did further tests. Only thing I changed is memory profile. Slight improvement. EXPO5600, 1.25V JEDEC 4800, 1.10V
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    Quite interesting result. I was looking at duration times and it seem that 8500G in this case is faster / better in CB23 than 8600G. On the other hand Geekbench is slower. What kind of cooling did you have on this run? My 8600G uses AMD Boxed which comes with it.
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    CB23
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    AMD Ryzen 5 8600G 5.05GHz AM5 6C/12 65W BOX KF560C36BWEAK2-32 (EXPO 6000, 2*16GB, 1RX8 36-38-38 1.35V) Asrock B650M Pro RS (bios 2.08.AS01) (it seems that just arrived 2.08, Update AGESA to ComboAM5 1.1.0.2b), I'll update and rerun when I have time Windows 11 Pro EDIT: Bios 2.08, ST CB...
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Many of my customers use 3 monitors. Usually if dock name has "universal" in it, it can mean that it has it's own display engine (DisplayLink GPU). If it does not number of external monitors depends on capabilities of the laptop GPU. USB-C docks without built in gpu use DP 1.4 Alt mode to...
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    AMD 8700G iGPU is pretty good

    I just installed PC with 8600G (2*16GB, Expo 6000, 38-38-38-78) & boxed cooler. EDIT : OS is W11 Pro, Unigine shows W10. GPU adrenalin setting for memory has "Productivity" selected as default. When I ran Unigine Superposititon, benchmark complained that GPU does not have anough memory (it...
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    Whether to upgrade 6yr old sys. GA-970A-D3 (rev. 3.0)

    One of the easiest ways to check temperature is in bios. If it steadily rises and PC shuts down (at about 70c), then problem is found 😁 Press <DEL> at startup screen CPU Temp should be in MIT status page:
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    Whether to upgrade 6yr old sys. GA-970A-D3 (rev. 3.0)

    If PC shuts down (power goes off) then it can be processor overheating. I sold many (>100 pcs) of Gigabyte boards from that era. We have had those motherboard brackets give in. Usually one of those "teeths" has begun giving up and the cap between processor and heatsink has widened resulting...
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    Question Zen 4 builders thread

    I think easiest solution is to get headpohones with USB connection. Avoid all the hassles of analog connections 😁 (if current headphones are not very highend/expensive models)
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    Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

    I checked corporate models (here in Finland) which are available, prices VAT 0% LENOVO P16S G2 R7-7840U/16WUXGA/32GB/1TB/AMD PRO/W11P/3P ~ 1500€ 16" MacBook Pro / M3 Pro 12c CPU /16c GPU/ 36GB / 1TB ~ 3070€ Warranty: Lenovo 3 years onsite Apple 12 months carry in? (Applecare 36months + 345€)...
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    Question Zen 4 builders thread

    Usually if reboot is "hard" ie. it does not leave any memory dumps it is hardware fault not OS/driver (as OS does not have time to dump memory for diagnostics). You can check that with for example WhoCrashed tool: https://www.resplendence.com/downloads Ram testing is like in networking if...
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    Question Zen 4 builders thread

    I would test memory first. Memory also can "age". Easiest is Karhu ramtest, but is not free. I believe memory testing while running windows shows errors better than standalone bootable memory test (like Memtest & Memtest86+). I had one EXPO kit which would show errors (in Karhu) while running...
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    Question Intel to amd = more crashes?

    I would first test memory at SPD speed (which seems to be 2133MHz). If it passes then maybe you could try clocking down a bit, say to 3000MHz, or relax settings from CL16 to CL18 etc. (EDIT : added SPD suggestion)
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    Question Intel to amd = more crashes?

    Back to basics 1. test memory at your current settings (in windows) I personally use Karhu Ramtest as it is easy to use (it costs 10€) & it has found mem errors other testing has not revealed. But there are other free utilities. I would test overnight (10-14 hours) just to be sure. Also...
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    Info Intel ARC owners thread. 68 games tested, retested, and counting. Includes productivity experiences. Feel free to add your results.

    Has anybody tried Intel cards with older systems? I need to get a new card for one Photshop user as PS2023 version needs DirectX 12_0 feature level support. I was thinking about Asrock A380 as it is small & has all the needed features, and price is right too :-) I was wondering if missing...
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    Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

    I have installed a few 2P+8E core laptops (i5-1235U). Various SW installation feeling was anything but snappy compared to Ryzen 6/8 core offerings). i7-13700H laptop was snappy, but it is of course another category (6P+8E cores). Based on my own subjective experience of course.
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    DELL PM3581 I7-13700H/15.6FHD/16GB/512SSD/RTXA1000/WWR/11P For some reason Excel gives divide / 0 error on the results for this laptop (JAKO=DIVIDE). I believe this the first Intel 13th gen laptop I have tested. EDIT: @BorisTheBlade82 (I meant to ping Boris, not Igor :)) I can send you the...
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    LENOVO L15 G4 R7-7730U/15.6FHD/16GB/512SSD/W11P (one 16GB SODIMM so single channel memroy) AC: DC:
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    Question DIMM with profiles EXPO 6000MHz & JEDEC 5200MHz?

    According to Kitguru screenshots DRAM is SK Hynix.
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    I like the way you define hardly.
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    Question DIMM with profiles EXPO 6000MHz & JEDEC 5200MHz?

    Thanks for all the help. By chance i stumpled on this AMD page. https://www.amd.com/en/processors/ryzen-compatible-memory There seems to be one kit from TEAMGROUP. I ordered two kits for testing :-) FLABD532G6000HC38ADC01 https://www.teamgroupinc.com/tw/product/vulcan-alpha-ddr5 It has ...
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    Same setup as above but different memory profiles. It would seem that at least with these workloads it could be better to leave memory at JEDEC profile (which requires less voltage). EXPO 5600 @1.25V (EXPO 6000 uses 1.35V) AUTO (JEDEC) 4800 @1.1V
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    AMD Ryzen 7 7700, AM5, 3.8 GHz, 8-Core,Boxed (100-100000592BOX) Asrock B650M Pro RS (BIOS 1.28) KINGSTON 32GB 6000MT/s DDR5 CL36 DIMM (KF560C36BBEAK2-32) All settings at default (except memory EXPO 6000MHz), W11 Pro (latest chipset & OS updates as of today)
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    Question DIMM with profiles EXPO 6000MHz & JEDEC 5200MHz?

    Hi, I wonder if there exists DIMMs which have both. AMD EXPO Profile @ 6000MHz (or faster) JEDEC 5200MHz ("standard" according to AMD with 2 dimms) For example Kingston 6000MHz modules seem to have JEDEC at 4800Mhz. For other manufacturers it is difficult ot find *exact* spefications. I...
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    HP EB 655 G9 R7 5825U 15.6i 16GB 512GB AC: DC:
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    AMD 7600 reviews

    Around 10% is "normal" in this business, I agree.
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    LENOVO P15V G3 R7-6850H/15.6FHD/32GB/1TB/RTX-A2000/11P10P/3P (nice laptop, even during CBR23 MT test fan profile is not annoyingly loud, and ST loads are practically silent) AC: DC:
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    LENOVO TP T14s G3 i7-1260P 16GB/512 W11P AC: DC:
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    Discussion which desktop CPU is most computing effective on 65W

    OK, I now see what you mean. Based on his test results on creator workflows 7950X has worse efficiency compared to 13900K. Columns indicate yearly electricity usage running test workflows in KWh. So one could say AMD (7950X) sucks at mixed workload efficiency and Intel (13900K) sucks at...
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    Discussion which desktop CPU is most computing effective on 65W

    I find this "suck at mixed workloads" very interesting. Do you mean they are *way* slower or *way* less efficient at mixed workloads? Can you give an example where 7950x sucks compared to 13900K?
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    Discussion which desktop CPU is most computing effective on 65W

    I am not sure how relevant h.264 encoding figures are to h.265 encoding. But at least in this Anandtech article on h.264 encoding @65W 7950X is about 40% faster than 13900k Core i9-13900K & Ryzen 9 7950X Scaling Performance: CPU Short Form - A Lighter Touch: Exploring CPU Power Scaling On Core...
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    Question Zen 4 builders thread

    AM5 mATX board with two NICs? Hi, I need to build a compact workstation. We need two NICs for operation. I can use addon card but I was wondering if there is a mATX board with two built in ethernet ports? Otherwise build will be quite simple; 7950X, 64/128GB, W6600 pro card, Micro-Tower...
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    DELL L5530 I5-1245U/15.6FHD/16GB/512SSD/WWR/10P11P Processor 15W (according to DELL) AC: DC:
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