100hz is necessary, right?

d1abolic

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I'm using 100hz right now, and i can really see the difference if i go down to 85hz. But someone pointed out that there shouldn't be any visible flicker at 85hz. Is this true? I need to know because i'll be upgrading to a 21" soon and i want something that can do 100hz at 1600x1200. Well i figure if it's the cable (or whatever?) that's causing my monitor to flicker so much, i could just replace the cable and get a cheaper monitor that does 1600x1200@85Hz. Let me know.
 

Derango

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Some people can't even tell the difference between 65hz and 75hz. Anything over 85hz I can't tell the difference.

It all depends on the person.
 

SuperSix

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<< I usually use 85 or 90. Anything above I don't see a noticible difference. >>

 

TheCorm

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85hz is Good, 100hz is Better...that's about the jist but 85hz should be flicker free enough anyway.

Corm
 

Sunner

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For some reason Windows won't let me run 1600x1200x32 @ 100 Hz.

Dont know if the problem is nVidia's drivers, or some Windows limitation.
 

Derango

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<< For some reason Windows won't let me run 1600x1200x32 @ 100 Hz.

Dont know if the problem is nVidia's drivers, or some Windows limitation.
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Could your moniter. If you moniter can't handle it, windows won't let you select it.
 

InFecTed

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<< But 100hz is better for the eyes, right? >>


85Hz is good enough, going down to 75 and I can see flicker easily.
 

hmsrolst

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Flicker is extremely subjective, depending on the person, but to some degree on the monitor. I am very sensitive to it and anything less than100hz on my 955df bothers me, although on some monitors I'm okay with 85hz, none I've used are comfortable below 85.
 

Jman13

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Heck, I run my monitor at 60Hz. 95% of the time, I don't notice it. My eyes get a bit tired if I'm looking at a bright white screen, but other than that, it's not a big deal. Unfortunately, I have power lines outside my window, so anthing above 60Hz results in massive monitor jiggle.
 

aka1nas

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<< Flicker is extremely subjective, depending on the person, but to some degree on the monitor. I am very sensitive to it and anything less than100hz on my 955df bothers me, although on some monitors I'm okay with 85hz, none I've used are comfortable below 85. >>



What resolution are you running your 955df at and how did you get it to go that high? I can't go above 1280x960@85hz on mine.
 

Colt45

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This POS monitor cant do better than 640x480@60, so i guess ive got used to it. lol

time to upgrade my vid card and monitor
 

Woodchuck2000

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I notice anything below 85Hz...
Using 60Hz for longer than half an hour gives me a headache. I can see flicker at 75Hz, so I run at 85+
I think it only affects people if they are aware of flicker, so if you can't see it, dont worry too much.
 

Sunner

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<< Could your moniter. If you moniter can't handle it, windows won't let you select it. >>


Nope, my monitor can go to 104 Hz at 1600x1200, and my GFX card handles 100 Hz at that res, so Im not sure why I can't go higher.
 

Budman

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I run my 19" a 1280X1024 @ 85 HZ and i could not go any lower,once you go to 85HZ anything lower just hurts my eyes.
 

Budman

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<< can you really tell the difference between 85 and 100? >>





<< I'm using 100hz right now, and i can really see the difference if i go down to 85hz >>



I guess He CAN.
 

Derango

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<< can you really tell the difference between 85 and 100? >>



It really depends on the person. Its a lot like the quality of sound comming from speakers. Some people can't tell the difference between their little tiny multimedia speakers that came with their dell, and somthing like a Klipsch ProMedia system. Its just the way they are: Weird
 

NukemAll

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Actually, has more to do with line frequency(your power line) than anything else. Generally, staying away from multiples of 30 works best. 75Mhz is usually more flicker free than 85, or 90, since it is right between(halfway between 60 and 90). 105 would be better than 100. Keep in mind that the higher you go, the more stress you put on your monitor and the shorter its lifespan. Keep at the lowest setting that appears flicker free to maximize monitor life. I use 75 exclusively, and it is far more flicker free than 85.
 

citrus3000

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I can tell the difference between 85 and 100. If its not 100 then i start to get light headachs.
 

Maggotry

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I run at 85Hz on my 21" Sony. My wife runs at 85Hz on her 19" ViewSonic. At the same refresh (85Hz), I see flicker on her screen and none on mine. She doesn't see any on either. Like others have said, it's up to you and your eyes. Run whatever you feel comfortable running.
 

Sunner

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<< Keep in mind that the higher you go, the more stress you put on your monitor and the shorter its lifespan. >>


False.
Higher refresh rates dont "wear out" your monitor faster.

As for the divided by 30 thing, I can definately say that 85 Hz is more flicker free than 75 Hz on my monitor, 75 is a tad too low for my tastes.
 

NukemAll

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<<

<< Keep in mind that the higher you go, the more stress you put on your monitor and the shorter its lifespan. >>


False.
Higher refresh rates dont "wear out" your monitor faster.

As for the divided by 30 thing, I can definately say that 85 Hz is more flicker free than 75 Hz on my monitor, 75 is a tad too low for my tastes.
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Oh, but higher refresh rates do lead to shorter monitor life. If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it. I can say for sure though that you will not find any. Lets not forget that higher refresh rates also stress your video card, which too will have a shorter lifespan, especialy at the rates and resolutions some of you guys are are setting them at. You guys must be the ones reporting spontaneous failures and don't undertand the cause. It is, after all, very much the same process that can destroy a CPU when overclocked too high that is at work on the Video and monitor.

As for you monitor's flicker, line frequency does vary from place to place, country to country. In the US, most is at 55-60hz but it is half the values one must consider when guaging flicker potential without actually trying the different settings. In your case, though, I am sure you are imagining things, since you feel that high refresh rates cannot shorten monitor life.
 
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