120Hz Displays

[jackstar7]

I'm looking for more information from users of these monitors.

I've got a friend with a couple of them (Acer GD235HZ and LG W2363D-PF) and he swears by the LG for it's near 0 input lag.

I'd like to hear about more monitors if people have them, and more experiences.

Right now I'm considering dumping my U2410s for 120Hz monitors (should be able to almost get an even deal selling the dells) as I'm far more a gamer than I am in need of the IPS level of quality.

So I'm looking at the recent Samsungs (possibly 2 750s and a 700 when they are more available, to get 2xDP and 1xDVI for easier connection to a standard ATI card) and scoping out other models and stuff I can find. I'm also checking on an older LG I might be able to get for cheap to be my DVI and then flank it with a couple of the Sammies.

I'm vastly more interested in 2D 120Hz experience than I am in 3D, as I'll likely never use it, and just want the smoother experience that's closer to the ol' CRT times.

Also, I just feel like this is a huge lacking in this area of the boards and am hoping it might be possible to provoke the kind of thread like the one that's stickied for regular 60Hz TN/IPS/etc. monitors.

This seems like the future and looks like it has some real benefits for most people, so I'd just like to be better informed by informed users. Reviews and the like only provide so much info.

I'll take care of having the GPU power to feed 120Hz-Eyefinity if it requires more than what I've got, so please don't let that be a distraction for what I'd like to be an informative discussion about the monitors and their value. Thanks.

 

[96Firebird]

Along the same lines as the original topic, are there any 16:10 120Hz monitors? I want to get a new monitor, preferably 1920x1200, but wouldn't mind getting a 120Hz monitor as well. I don't think there are any out there, but I may as well ask...

 

[Don Karnage]

I'm looking for more information from users of these monitors.

I've got a friend with a couple of them (Acer GD235HZ and LG W2363D-PF) and he swears by the LG for it's near 0 input lag.

I'd like to hear about more monitors if people have them, and more experiences.

Right now I'm considering dumping my U2410s for 120Hz monitors (should be able to almost get an even deal selling the dells) as I'm far more a gamer than I am in need of the IPS level of quality.

So I'm looking at the recent Samsungs (possibly 2 750s and a 700 when they are more available, to get 2xDP and 1xDVI for easier connection to a standard ATI card) and scoping out other models and stuff I can find. I'm also checking on an older LG I might be able to get for cheap to be my DVI and then flank it with a couple of the Sammies.

I'm vastly more interested in 2D 120Hz experience than I am in 3D, as I'll likely never use it, and just want the smoother experience that's closer to the ol' CRT times.

Also, I just feel like this is a huge lacking in this area of the boards and am hoping it might be possible to provoke the kind of thread like the one that's stickied for regular 60Hz TN/IPS/etc. monitors.

This seems like the future and looks like it has some real benefits for most people, so I'd just like to be better informed by informed users. Reviews and the like only provide so much info.

I'll take care of having the GPU power to feed 120Hz-Eyefinity if it requires more than what I've got, so please don't let that be a distraction for what I'd like to be an informative discussion about the monitors and their value. Thanks.

Op i run a GD235hz and its been the best monitor i have ever used. A site had them for 199.99 refurbished so i picked up a pair on wednesday.

http://www.cheetahdeals.com/Acer-GD2...86ET.UG5HP.001

Along the same lines as the original topic, are there any 16:10 120Hz monitors? I want to get a new monitor, preferably 1920x1200, but wouldn't mind getting a 120Hz monitor as well. I don't think there are any out there, but I may as well ask...

I don't believe there are any 1920X1200 120hz monitors

 

[jackstar7]

My friend was less enthused about that GD235hz compared to his LG, but at that price (when available) that's pretty hard to argue with. Nice catch.

 

[crownjules]

I just got the ASUS VG236HE and love it. I got it for $289 @ Newegg after a $30 MIR. Well regarded for it's low input lag. Great colors. It is 3D capable, but I don't have the glasses yet so haven't tried out that feature. I personally don't see much difference going from 60 -> 120Hz, but the overall quality of the monitor was still well worth the upgrade for me.

The only potential con would be if you're the type that hates glossy panels. I like them so it's not bad for me.

 

[jackstar7]

Ah, good point to mention. I do not care about glossy as my setup minimizes outside light (I've got a cubicle at home to retain some boundaries for my game time). Monitors face walls and glossy should not be a distraction/issue.

But I totally understand that it is a dealbreaker for some.


I'll have to look at that ASUS and see what it can do for me. That's definitely a decent pricepoint if it's as strong as competing models.

 

[gregjc]

I'm using a Samsung SA950 after using an NEC IPS based display for years. I was scared to death to go back to a TN based display, but I must say that I'm blown away by the quality of this Samsung.

With this monitor, they're using some new tech to improve the viewing angles so it's not nearly as bad as most other TN panels I've seen and used in the past. In fact, the viewing angles don't bother me at all. There is still some very slight color shift when moving around in my chair but overall it's not bad at all.

I can't recommend the SA950 highly enough, if you're willing to spend a lot (even for a 120hz, it's pretty expensive, at least when I bought mine.)

 

[jackstar7]

Appreciate reading that experience. I believe the 750 is super-close to the 950 (maybe the same?) and so your experience coming from an NEC IPS (usually solid quality) puts another tick in the "go for it" column. Thanks!

 

[jackstar7]

Well, just today the listing for the s23a700d went live on the B&H site, so they're expecting them to be available in the next couple weeks.

Looks like the dimensions are just a couple mms different between this and the 750 based on the specs I'm able to find.

This might settle things for me as I'd like to have three monitors as close to identical as possible while not needing to opt for the 7970 6GB with the 6 mini-DP connectors. Looks like if I time my purchases right I can probably get deals where and how I want.

 

[kami]

Once you go 120hz you don't go back. And while 3d can be gimmicky in some games, I love using 3d vision in some games that support it well (as in the developers specifically went out of their way to support it).

 

[AtaliaA1]

Don't Be Fooled!!!!!



OLED (active matrix) - 100%
OLED (passive matrix) - 0.06%
CRT - 10%
Plasma - 25-40%
120Hz LCD - 50%
60Hz LCD - 100%

Another simulation below (trying to show differences accurately): blur is proportional to panning speed.
(Note: The second car picture above and the one below are the only simulations in this thread)

In the end, there is some good news for LCD when it comes to movies. Cinematographers follow strict guidelines that limit the amount of movement in a scene. Since LCD blur is proportional to movement it's usually kept at bay, but with games it's all to easy to overcome this with a flick of the wrist.

Also, blur can come from other sources beside the display itself. The blur found in most viewing content can almost level the playing field when comparing displays. To see what the display itself is capable of, PC/console games do a good job of eliminating extraneous blur.

 

[jackstar7]

I wish I knew what you were talking about... and really, there's no way to tell what hardware was being used to get those images.

I'm not sure who is being fooled and by what here...

 

[Don Karnage]

I would just like to mention BF3 is amazing on a 120hz monitor

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I wish I knew what you were talking about... and really, there's no way to tell what hardware was being used to get those images.

I'm not sure who is being fooled and by what here...

he's saying that LCDs simply can't match the motion clarity of CRT, granted, it does prove that 120Hz LCDs are night and day better than 60Hz when it comes to motion clarity and thus worth it to those of us who simply don't want to hunt down a CRT such as the Sony GDM-FW900 and put up with its drawbacks such as size, weight, and general maintenance to keep its picture perfect. Oh and its also still very expensive to buy used with no guarantee of its condition.

That being said, OLED can't get here fast enough.

 

[jackstar7]

Just to update and share, TD has the s23a700D (DVI instead of DP, still 120Hz) for $300.

 

[Eymar]

Just to update and share, TD has the s23a700D (DVI instead of DP, still 120Hz) for $300.

I would stay away from 120hz monitors that do not have a DP port if you have any plans to use an AMD card and go eyefinity. This is based only my personal experience so take info as you will. The active DP to dual-dvi adaptor(I used the Accell one) needed to run eyefinity with DVI-D, frequently drops signal/give a display port error when changing resolutions (ie. starting a game up) which is a pain to resolve (usually involves rebooting, unplugging monitor, etc.).

 

[KingFatty]

Anyone use a mix of 120Hz and 60Hz monitors in eyefinity, what was your experience - does a single 60Hz monitor in the mix ruin the benefit of having one 120Hz, say as your main/middle monitor?

 

[jackstar7]

Anyone use a mix of 120Hz and 60Hz monitors in eyefinity, what was your experience - does a single 60Hz monitor in the mix ruin the benefit of having one 120Hz, say as your main/middle monitor?

I'll let you know what happens tomorrow...

I'm getting 3 120Hz, but until there's a 7970 with 3+ mini-DP ports, I'll have one running at 60Hz... which should be weird... but I do hear it's possible, so hopefully it isn't so bad in my periphery.

 

[shadowofthesun]

I'm currently using a Asus VG236H 120 hz monitor as my main monitor and a 60 hz Asus VH242 as my secondary (a bit of a lopsided setup, I know). I use DVI/D to connect to the 120 Hz monitor (mandated by nVidia for 3D Vision) and HDMI through a receiver to get to the 60 hz.

The experience on the 120 hz monitor is extremely smooth and pleasant. I use it as my primary monitor instead of the larger VH242 because I enjoy using it more, especially in gaming. If you keep your primary tasks on your 120 hz monitor you will notice the benefit.

 

[Ben90]

Lol, that image is just a screen shot with blur affects added.

First, no camera under $50,000 is going to be able to get that clear of a picture from a CRT.

Second, there are no RTC artifacts which is a dead give away

Third, the "images" being rendered are different for the 60Hz vs 120Hz monitor. Even if this wasn't clearly a shop, it would render the results invalid. The 12 year old that made that image isn't aware how the frame buffer transfers to the monitor

Forth, stationary objects such as the framerate counter and HUD are being blurred when they shouldn't be.

In the end, there is some good news for LCD when it comes to movies. Cinematographers follow strict guidelines that limit the amount of movement in a scene. Since LCD blur is proportional to movement it's usually kept at bay, but with games it's all to easy to overcome this with a flick of the wrist.

Also, blur can come from other sources beside the display itself. The blur found in most viewing content can almost level the playing field when comparing displays. To see what the display itself is capable of, PC/console games do a good job of eliminating extraneous blur.

No... Just no.

 

[Shmee]

hey look, its Quake wars on Island

Pitty you only get 11 FPS :C

 

[KingFatty]

I think a cheap camera can show some differences under the right conditions. You could calculate the shutter speed needed to capture a single 'screen' of the display at 120Hz, and therefore it would capture 1/2 of a 'screen' on the 60Hz display. Or am I thinking about that right? What would 1/2 of a screen look like on a 60Hz display? The LCD technology might mask any weird look.

A while back I used a basic/compact digital camera to photograph my dual LCD displays. This was long ago - one display had a 'fast' refresh of like 8ms, and the other was 'slow' at around 20ms (I'm just going from memory here; the fast screen was an NEC 17" LCD, and the slow was a 19" Dell that I returned because it was really unusable in gaming due to ghosting/blur it was so slow). I fired up a 3D game and scrolled around and took some photos while I was scrolling.

I could see a consistent difference in the photographs. The slower screen had ghost trails. However, my experiment shows a totally different effect than the difference between 120Hz and 60Hz.

I am thinking of getting a 120Hz display, and I'd sure like to get out the camera and see what happens when you set the shutter speed really fast and then snap a photograph of two screens side-by-side while they are scrolling around, where one screen is 60Hz and the other screen is 120Hz.

If anyone has both a 60Hz and 120Hz screen, along with a camera where you can set a fast shutter, could you try this and see what happens?

 

[jackstar7]

Finally got my 3 S23A750s today. Set them up and I can honestly say that I see a difference in that level of smoothness and I feel like my eyes are seeing more frames of animation.

So far I've only played a little L4D2 because I wanted to try something where I knew I'd blow out my FPS and that worked out well.

Now just have to sit and wait for a custom 7970 with 3+ mini-DPs to show up so I can eyefinity the three. Or blow the $850 on the 7990 when that comes around... have to judge things at the time.

Anyways... so far, so good.

 

[CP5670]

The S27A750D has lately been going for $400 occasionally on Tigerdirect, which is a great deal, although you have to be quick to catch it before they run out of stock. I got one a few days ago and posted some thoughts here. The 750 model seems to have better backlight QC than the otherwise similar 950, but it lacks a DVI port. You can use a converter with it if needed.

 

[Borealis7]

i've got an S23A950D in my online shopping cart. come April, i'm gonna press the Buy button. sadly, after taxes and all it costs the equivalent of 600$ here