List the other B350s that can handle a 2700x without overheating/throttling. I'm waiting.
That s akin to ask him to prove a negative, so rather point, and prove, wich are the MBs that throttle the CPU...
List the other B350s that can handle a 2700x without overheating/throttling. I'm waiting.
The Tomahawk / Mortar B350 series from MSI could do 4Ghz on 1800X, so they should handle the 2700X at stock without hiccups. The Mortar sold very well in my country, as it had a very good price and is the epitome of mediocrity - nothing special, nothing bad.List the other B350s that can handle a 2700x without overheating/throttling. I'm waiting.
The two Asrock M-ITX boards were were very similar in terms of features and their cost reflected this, with the AB350 board hitting quite a high price for a non-X chipset model.For someone pretending to know the facts please explain me why my Asrock AB350 M-ITX had completely identical VRM's to the X370 M-ITX? As others have stated VRM choice is made by the motherboard manufacturer and not depending on the chipset.
Nope. I have 470 boards on my 2700x's. I have a 1700x on my b350 board, and I had it to 3.9 before I went back to stock and gave it to my son for work.No you didn't. All you proved is that people can skimp on X370 boards. A bad X370 board does not mean that B350s actually have good VRM configs. There might be some B350s out there that can handle one, and if you want a hint, I think @Markfw actually had an ASRock B350 that could handle a 2700x without thermal throttling. MAYBE. But he had a first-gen Ryzen at around 3.8-3.9 GHz on his so I'm not so sure. Still that's one board that might fit the bill.
List the other B350s that can handle a 2700x without overheating/throttling. I'm waiting.
I think more than one board OEM set their default PL2 to 210W for reviewers. The reviewers had to dial it back to get within Intel spec (160W). Unless the end user is skilled enough to a). know about the problem in the first place and b). know how to change the setting, then they're going to treat the PL2 setting as the "stock" performance for their chip. If all you run is defaults, the board's gonna shoot for that power limit anyway. If it can't get there, you're leaving something on the table as far as the end user is concerned, right?
Is there even one Z370 board out there that can hit PL2 without the VRMs throttling it back? How about the 160W "all core turbo" power limit? I'll bet there's at least one that can do it.
A guess of the top Is all asrock atx and matx 350 boards can do it. Stock 2700x. No probs. Same vrm layout basically. Same vrm layout as the basic 370 asrocks boards.No you didn't. All you proved is that people can skimp on X370 boards. A bad X370 board does not mean that B350s actually have good VRM configs. There might be some B350s out there that can handle one, and if you want a hint, I think @Markfw actually had an ASRock B350 that could handle a 2700x without thermal throttling. MAYBE. But he had a first-gen Ryzen at around 3.8-3.9 GHz on his so I'm not so sure. Still that's one board that might fit the bill.
List the other B350s that can handle a 2700x without overheating/throttling. I'm waiting.
I think more than one board OEM set their default PL2 to 210W for reviewers. The reviewers had to dial it back to get within Intel spec (160W). Unless the end user is skilled enough to a). know about the problem in the first place and b). know how to change the setting, then they're going to treat the PL2 setting as the "stock" performance for their chip. If all you run is defaults, the board's gonna shoot for that power limit anyway. If it can't get there, you're leaving something on the table as far as the end user is concerned, right?
Is there even one Z370 board out there that can hit PL2 without the VRMs throttling it back? How about the 160W "all core turbo" power limit? I'll bet there's at least one that can do it.
A guess of the top Is all asrock atx and matx 350 boards can do it. Stock 2700x. No probs. Same vrm layout basically. Same vrm layout as the basic 370 asrocks boards.
Most of the time vrm layout is perfectly same between 350 and 370. Only high-end boards is better.
Anyways. Then they can probably run 12c zen2. Who cares if they run 16c. 8c is plenty anyways for that price level.
Nope. I have 470 boards on my 2700x's. I have a 1700x on my b350 board, and I had it to 3.9 before I went back to stock and gave it to my son for work.
The Tomahawk / Mortar B350 series from MSI could do 4Ghz on 1800X, so they should handle the 2700X at stock without hiccups. The Mortar sold very well in my country, as it had a very good price and is the epitome of mediocrity - nothing special, nothing bad.
That s akin to ask him to prove a negative, so rather point, and prove, wich are the MBs that throttle the CPU...
You wanted examples of boards that keep the 2700X from throttling, you have it. If it can run 1800X overclocked at 4Ghz, it will handle stock 2700X and will likely boost into XFR as long as cooling is adequate.I dunno if that board would take a 2700x through the full range of XFR2 clocks though. My 1800x @ 4.0 GHz can pull over 160W easily, and sometimes into the 180-210W territory. A 2700x stock running through all its boost options can pull voltages in the same ballpark as mine (1.375v) and higher. Sometimes as high as 1.5v! Something tells me that B350 would stop a 2700x before hitting the top of the boost map.
Tell you what, since this issue has been well-discussed in the past elsewhere, I'll just leave this here:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1626601-post-your-ryzen-vrm-temperatures.html
Lots of reading, but do some cogitating as to whether or not those boards will handle a 2700x across its normal boost range if they are having VRM temps in the 110 range with a 1700 @ 3.8 GHz . . .
This is totally unsubstantiated.Really? I would say almost of them, since taking full advantage of XFR2 can run voltages of 1.3v-1.5v typically. On your typical B350 board you are going to be limited to 3.9-4.0 GHz, anything higher and the VRM temp throttlefest will kick in. Unless you rig up secondary cooling for the VRM sink (if any).
And before anyone says anything, that's "stock". Unless you want your 2700x locked at 3.8 GHz all the time?
12c? Cmon now, the reason why B350 had so much trouble with 8c in the first place was current draw. That's only going to get worse on 4+2 and 4+3 configs.
Huh, woulda been interesting to see how that B350 would fare with a 2700x, but from what I've seen, not terribly well.
I dunno if that board would take a 2700x through the full range of XFR2 clocks though. My 1800x @ 4.0 GHz can pull over 160W easily, and sometimes into the 180-210W territory. A 2700x stock running through all its boost options can pull voltages in the same ballpark as mine (1.375v) and higher. Sometimes as high as 1.5v! Something tells me that B350 would stop a 2700x before hitting the top of the boost map.
If you want to get into that side of things, it's really down to who made the first statement, namely: did I initially claim B350 was inadequate for Zen2 (and in many cases Zen and Zen+ octocores) or did he initially claim they would be fine?
Tell you what, since this issue has been well-discussed in the past elsewhere, I'll just leave this here:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1626601-post-your-ryzen-vrm-temperatures.html
Lots of reading, but do some cogitating as to whether or not those boards will handle a 2700x across its normal boost range if they are having VRM temps in the 110 range with a 1700 @ 3.8 GHz . . .
You wanted examples of boards that keep the 2700X from throttling, you have it. If it can run 1800X overclocked at 4Ghz, it will handle stock 2700X and will likely boost into XFR as long as cooling is adequate.
Be careful though, conflating "full range of XFR2" and "stock" leads to a dangerous logical disconnect in which the 2700X is a 105W TDP and a 150W+ TDP CPU at the same time. Just because it can clock higher based on XFR clock headroom doesn't mean it should do so no matter the load.
Zen2 and am4 are both in the thread title, so its not off-topic, even though it is mainly about what Intel is going to do.Wow, I actually thought this thread was about, Comet Lake, not a dissertation on AMD motherboards.
buildzoid has a video with quick takes on all the b450 boards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWAwOH-egFs
short version, they are all not great with shortcomings in either vrm components, cooling, or bios. so he cant recommend any of them.
Looks like we get a new architecture next year after all.
Still skeptical about this. They talk about increased IPC, but it could be negated by lower clocks than 14nm. Also skeptical about the Gen 11 igpu. I would rather see them devote the die space to more cores with a small igpu for basic use. Igpu is, and always will be, a marginal solution at best for gaming.
Still skeptical about this. They talk about increased IPC, but it could be negated by lower clocks than 14nm.
There seems to be some confusion on this, but the Sunny Cove cores are 10 nm only. Comet Lake is still good old Skylake.
And server.
And server.
There seems to be some confusion on this, but the Sunny Cove cores are 10 nm only. Comet Lake is still good old Skylake.
Sunny cove is the core uArch name while "skylake" or "comet lake" is the full chip/SOC with multiple such cores. And they also mentioned that cores now will be made process agnostic so it would theoretically be possible to have sunny cove core in a 14nm product but yeah I very much doubt that. Sunny cove is Icelake.