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mosox

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Hmm. Looks like a painted reference cooler to me. Same type fan type, same size, same exhaust area. Are the insides different then, and how?

Yep, it's a "blower" fan like the reference one and if anything it's smaller than the reference one. Same fan as in the HD 6950 Toxic, that one is quiet, dunno about this 6970 but most of the reviewers on Newegg are happy.
 

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2x6950 is within your budget and you won't be disappointed I'm sure. The second 6950 will undoubtedly be worse value for money than the first one, but that's how it goes when you want high frame rates with high settings in a demanding game like BF3.

Yes Vengeance is fine as long as the heat spreaders don't block the CPU cooler. You should make sure that the cooler you choose is compatible with tall heat spreaders - or just go with the low-profile Vengeance.

Whats difference beetwen the Low Profile and normal vengeance?
Cooler will be Cooler Master Hyper 212+ or Thermalright HR-02 Macho/ Scythe Mugen 3 will see which one is avaliabe are these cooler compatible with tall heat spreaders ?
And what about the Monitor?
 
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lehtv

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Whats difference beetwen the Low Profile and normal vengeance?

One is low profile, the other isn't. :E

Cooler will be Cooler Master Hyper 212+ or Thermalright HR-02 Macho/ Scythe Mugen 3 will see which one is avaliabe are these cooler compatible with tall heat spreaders ?

212+ and SM3 won't be compatible with tall heat spreaders as far as I know. I've read the 212+ can just about fit above the G.Skill Ripjaws heat spreaders, but Vengeance is taller. And I have the Scythe Mugen 2 which is about the same size and it can only fit low profile (= standard size) RAM under it. I'm not sure about Thermalright Hr02 macho with the fan installed.

And what about the Monitor?

The 23.6" Asus should be fine, though I'd go with the VH238H over the 232H
 

Lumicko

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One is low profile, the other isn't. :E



212+ and SM3 won't be compatible with tall heat spreaders as far as I know. I've read the 212+ can just about fit above the G.Skill Ripjaws heat spreaders, but Vengeance is taller. And I have the Scythe Mugen 2 which is about the same size and it can only fit low profile (= standard size) RAM under it. I'm not sure about Thermalright Hr02 macho with the fan installed.



The 23.6" Asus should be fine, though I'd go with the VH238H over the 232H

Hm so looks like i cant go this Vengeance RAM because of the issue with Cooler lol what to do then
Mby i understand it bad Low Profile means not good RAM like the normal profile one?

3D Monitor i think isnt good idea right? it cost damn a lot +100 euros
 
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lehtv

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Hm so looks like i cant go this Vengeance RAM because of the issue with Cooler lol what to do then

If you can't find a Corsair XMS3 kit of 2x4GB 1333mhz or 1600mhz, then try G.skill Ripjaws with the 212+, it should fit. Or ask thermalright whether Corsair Vengeance RAM will work with the hr-02 macho (or try to google an answer to that)

Mby i understand it bad Low Profile means not good RAM like the normal profile one?
Low profile is the normal profile. It performs just as well as RAM with tall fancy heat spreaders.

About Monitor isnt better to get 3D also ? When im buying new Monitor ah the 3D one cost a lot lol it cost like +100 euros more thats a lot
Sure a 120hz monitor is nice, much smoother image than on a 60hz monitor. But they are more expensive and most people don't really need them, and it may also be out of your budget so that's why I didn't bring it up. If you want to get a 120hz monitor get Asus VG236HE.
 

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If you can't find a Corsair XMS3 kit of 2x4GB 1333mhz or 1600mhz, then try G.skill Ripjaws with the 212+, it should fit. Or ask thermalright whether Corsair Vengeance RAM will work with the hr-02 macho (or try to google an answer to that)

I found CORSAIR 8GB KIT DDR3 1600MHz CL9 XMS3 but it have 1.6 V someone said there its not good so how is it?
 

lehtv

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It will work in 1.5V @ 1333MHz. To make sure you can email corsair

Is it 2x4 gb or 4x2gb?

Also it's a good idea to check the supported RAM list for the motherboard you're planning to buy
 
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Lumicko

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It will work in 1.5V @ 1333MHz. To make sure you can email corsair
How it will work on 1.5V 1333mHZ when i will buy 1600 mhz 1.6v? sry if im dumb
OK i will buy G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1600 MHZ or the Low Profile Vengeance

Is it 2x4 gb or 4x2gb?
2x4GB

Also it's a good idea to check the supported RAM list for the motherboard you're planning to buy

Im planning the MOBO which one u recommended me ASUS P8Z68-V PRO there is said Support Intel XMP (Extreme Memory Profile) but not sure if its the right think u want so u should check it also

Someone on Tomshardware said this : Swap your gpu config for either 2 GTX 570's or a single 580 as AMD drivers are currently quite bad with many issues in these forums atm.
About that hm 6950 got Memory quantity 2GB and GTX570 got 1280 and also in GPU,Memory frequency is better 6950 so dont know if he is right now he said this also: The 2Gb will make no difference at 1080p and the Nvidia Driver support is currently alot better.The GTX 570 is on par with the 6970.
 
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lehtv

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How it will work on 1.5V 1333mHZ when i will buy 1600 mhz 1.6v? sry if im dumb
Lower speed gets by with less voltage. As I understand it (based on info on Corsair's website) all the XMS3 kits are compatible with the 1333mhz @ 1.5V setting.

Im planning the MOBO which one u recommended me ASUS P8Z68-V PRO there is said Support Intel XMP (Extreme Memory Profile) but not sure if its the right think u want so u should check it also
I recommended the P8Z68-V, not the P8Z68-V PRO. You don't need the PRO version, get the cheaper non-PRO version.

Supported RAM list means a list of supported RAM modules. Not whether it supports Intel XMP. ... This info is available on the manufacturer's website www.asus.com

Someone on Tomshardware said this : Swap your gpu config for either 2 GTX 570's or a single 580 as AMD drivers are currently quite bad with many issues in these forums atm.
About that hm 6950 got Memory quantity 2GB and GTX570 got 1280 and also in GPU,Memory frequency is better 6950 so dont know if he is right now he said this also: The 2Gb will make no difference at 1080p and the Nvidia Driver support is currently alot better.The GTX 570 is on par with the 6970.
I don't know what these issues are he's referring to. As I see it 6950 2GB crossfire offers a lot of performance for the money. GTX 570 SLI costs around $100-150 more than 6950 crossfire, and GTX 580 is in itself $150 (or 60&#37 more expensive than a single 6950, while offering only ~20-25% more performance.

And AMD's crossfire scaling is better than NVIDIA's SLI scaling ('scaling' meaning the fps increase you get from the second GPU).
 
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I don't know what these issues are he's referring to. As I see it 6950 2GB crossfire offers a lot of performance for the money. GTX 570 SLI costs around $100-150 more than 6950 crossfire, and GTX 580 is in itself $150 (or 60&#37 more expensive than a single 6950, while offering only ~20-25% more performance.

And AMD's crossfire scaling is better than NVIDIA's SLI scaling ('scaling' meaning the fps increase you get from the second GPU).

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/01/11/amd_69706950_cfx_nvidia_580570_sli_review/4

What about MOBO ASROCK Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 ?
And can PSU Corsair AX850 hold the 2 GPU ? (2xGTX5702/2x6950)
And TX or AX ?
 
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Lumicko

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Another IDEA!
What about 2x 6970? I think 5x better than 2xGTX570
For this CoolerMaster Silent Pro Gold Active 1000W Modular ?
 
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lehtv

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Lumicko said:
What about 2x 6970? I think 5x better than 2xGTX570
No, 2x6970 isn't good value for money, and if there are issues with 6950 crossfire (which I doubt) then there are issues with 6970 crossfire too, they're very similar chips. In addition it's possible to BIOS flash some 6950's to unlock extra computing power, and they're pretty overclockable as well; this brings them near the performance of a 6970 but cost much less. You should just go with 6950 2gb crossfire, that's what I recommend and it's final

Lumicko said:
For this CoolerMaster Silent Pro Gold Active 1000W Modular ?

1000W is overkill for your setup. You're better off with a 850W PSU. If you don't unlock and overclock the 6950's, you're perfectly fine with 750W. I don't recommend Cooler Master if there are alternatives such as the ones I've already listed:

lehtv said:
If you just want modular, go with Corsair TX M, HX, or XFX XXX edition, Seasonic M series, Antec HCP850 (if it's significantly cheaper than AX)... If you forgo modularity there's a lot more choice [edit: from the above brands]. [...] If you can find a good deal on a Seasonic X or Corsair AX, then that's good too (80+ gold isn't worth a huge price premium though)

If you really can't find any of the above at a reasonable price, then a CM Silent Pro Gold 800W is a good choice.
 
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No, 2x6970 isn't good value for money, and if there are issues with 6950 crossfire (which I doubt) then there are issues with 6970 crossfire too, they're very similar chips. In addition it's possible to BIOS flash some 6950's to unlock extra computing power, and they're pretty overclockable as well; this brings them near the performance of a 6970 but cost much less. You should just go with 6950 2gb crossfire, that's what I recommend and it's final

1000W is overkill for your setup. You're better off with a 850W PSU. If you don't unlock and overclock the 6950's, you're perfectly fine with 750W. I don't recommend Cooler Master if there are alternatives such as the ones I've already listed:

If you really can't find any of the above at a reasonable price, then a CM Silent Pro Gold 800W is a good choice.

If i overclock 2x 6950 i need 1kW right?
Well its rly hard to choose(2x6950,6970,gtx570)
But i think i will choose 2x 6950 price is good and as u said i can overclock them and they will be like 6970
Hm difference isnt high with 6950 its 1932(euro) also included ( monitor ASUS VG236HE) and with 6970 its 2085(euro(
 
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lehtv

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You don't need 1kW, you need 850W as I've already said... pay attention
 

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Another IDEA!
What about 2x 6970? I think 5x better than 2xGTX570

6970 CFX is in no way 5 times better than GTX 570 SLI. It is maybe 10% better. That being said, 6950 2GB CFX is the best "value" (relatively speaking) of the options you're looking at. Honestly though, I think that you should just get a single card.

For this CoolerMaster Silent Pro Gold Active 1000W Modular ?

No, just no. Listen to lehtv.
 

Shikyo

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Why are you overkilling it for him? He said he plays at 1080p. He doesn't need CFX 6950 or 6970. There's many things he doesn't need.

Here's an example build:
Motherboard:
MSI P67A-G43 (B3)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130583
124.99$

Processor:
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115072
219.99$

CPU Cooler:
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103065
26.99$

Graphics Card:
HIS H687FN1GD Radeon HD 6870 1GB x2 in Crossfire
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161389
164.99$ x 2 = 329.98$

Crossfire bridge(if not bundled with the cards):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814999002
10.99$

RAM:
Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220569
49.99$

Hard Drive:
Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148697
54.99$

Case:
Cooler Master 690 II Advanced
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119216
89.99$

Power Supply:
XFX Core Pro 650W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817207014
89.99$

Optical Drive:
SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-222AB - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151233
16.99$

Total: $1014.89 including crossfire bridge


However, the good thing about this is, if you really want to get the 6950s, it's going to be as simple as just replacing the 6870s with them. I'm still telling you though that you wouldn't need them, and the 6870s will futureproof you for 1080p very well. If you decide to pick up the 6950s, get the 2GB ones as that way you'll be able to 2560x1440 or eyefinity in the future. Going with 1gbs for crossfire is a waste as you'll be memory capped at the resolutions where the extra performance is going to be of any significance.

If you need a SSD, feel free to add one into that. With an SSD, it's usually good to have your storage drive be 5400rpm for less power consumption and because it costs less and is quieter. Just pick the cheapest one.
 

lehtv

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That looks mostly alright, but he's not ordering from newegg. The pricing and availability of items is different in Slovakia.

6870 crossfire is moot because BF3 maxed out on 1080p uses more than 1GB memory. It's either 6950 2GB single or crossfire. 6950 crossfire unlocked and OC'd will last a lot longer than 6870 crossfire and it's within the budget.

Also, if you want to start splitting hairs about "overkilling it for him", then why are you paying for a 690 II when you can get HAF 912 for less, and XFX 650W when you can get Earthwatts for $45, and DDR3-1600 when you can get 1333 for $42... And so on. Really, his budget warrants paying for quality components so why not do it.
 
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Lumicko

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Ok guys sorry for my dumb acts u are right the best is to go with 2x 6950 so i will go for it or only one card 6970/gtx570. But i think better 2x6950
And friend told me that if i overclock 2x6950 i would need 1000W is that true? And when i go for Corsair AX/TX850 then which one? TX or AX? (AX is gold and it cost more)
I think i will go for case CORSAIR 400R and cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212+ but if avaliable Thermalright HR-02 Macho then i go this.
I think i will go for the better monitor 120HZ Asus 23" ASUS VG236HE but it cost +100 euros more than the other one (Asus VH238H)
About the OS which Win7 64 bit? ( I mean if for example Proffesional)
Also Saw somewhere on forum this: Be aware that the BF3 beta currently has issues with multi-gpu solutions. But its just beta 1month old or how much so they will fix it i think

When im thinking thats so stupid and funny lol if there isnt any fucking BF3 i wouldnot go for new pc i think lol
PS Answer all questions pls ( i know im saying like idiot xD )
 
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lehtv

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And friend told me that if i overclock 2x6950 i would need 1000W is that true? And when i go for Corsair AX/TX850 then which one? TX or AX? (AX is gold and it cost more)
No, it's not true, you already know what I recommend. 850W is plenty. AX850 isn't worth paying for, you already know that too. Pay attention... I'm really not going to answer this same question again

About the OS which Win7 64 bit?
Windows 7 64bit Home Premium OEM. If you can't find OEM then just get the retail package.
 

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No, it's not true, you already know what I recommend. 850W is plenty. AX850 isn't worth paying for, you already know that too. Pay attention... I'm really not going to answer this same question again

Windows 7 64bit Home Premium OEM. If you can't find OEM then just get the retail package.

Ok sorry btw i cant find just normal 850W only TX.
What u think about monitor? I know u already said the best is 23" ASUS VG236HE but it cost more euros what would u do if u are me?
 

lehtv

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I would go with VG236HE if it was within my budget or within how much I was willing to go over budget.
 

s44

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This micro-comparison stuff would be a lot easier if you just threw some links to the web shops you are using.
 

Lumicko

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This micro-comparison stuff would be a lot easier if you just threw some links to the web shops you are using.

Good idea didnt notice that im actualy checking http://www.alza.cz/EN/
But i will not buy from that i got friend which own company so i will get mby less price but if i will be unable to do it though him then i will buy in the shop which i gave link.
 

s44

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That site has two versions of the Corsair TX850, which are the cheapest decent 850s available. I'd get the TXv2, which is not only cheaper but made by Seasonic and not Channel Well. The TX850M is of course partly modular though.
 

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That site has two versions of the Corsair TX850, which are the cheapest decent 850s available. I'd get the TXv2, which is not only cheaper but made by Seasonic and not Channel Well. The TX850M is of course partly modular though.

So better CORSAIR TX850M ?
Btw someone on some forum when i was asking about the PSU also said this

The TX model will use slightly more power to do the same, and will perhaps be a bit more unstable, allowing less overclocking (though both are so good, its little difference) If you care about the price, pick the TX.
Also, there are new versions called TXxxxM (such as TX850M) which are partly modular, if you want.
 
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