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[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
How does your 820D do at stock in the test, Mark?

OMG, I have to go to bed now, but I will try that tomarrow. Can you say massacre ??

hmmm.. something's very wrong...

without burning (since that's completely separate from cpu), and after decrypted to hdd:

my 820D stock does Deep Analysis at about 11,500 kbps.

The X2 3800+ @ 2.4ghz does it at 13,500 kbps.

I had a S754 3200+ @ 2.3ghz and it was around 6,000 to 7,000 kbps

this is just how i see it, i don't know why everyone's results are so weird...

 

[Markfw]

Well, there may be one difference. I run Folding@home. It gives up cpu cycles to ANYTHING, and is at low priority. I even checked while this was running, and it didn't take 100% cpu. I even killed F@H (x2) and it didn;t make any difference, so I fired it back up. The single core Athlon64 also had it runing, but only one instance, since it only has one core. Still same story, wasn't taking 100%, and killing it made no difference.

Edit, I am re-running the 820d using the exact same usb external conection, and getting 3900 kbs. Did you notice the reading drive was a burner ?

Edit2: The original test at 11 1/2 hours vs 17+ hours was using the source as internal HD. While rerunnig this test using the same external disk, it looks like times may be close ! WTF ???? I have to get to bed.

Bottom line is, all the benchmarks I have run on these two systems (the 820D and my X2 3800) show the X2 rapes the 820D in every benchmark......except maybe this one ? io dependent ?

 

[anandtechrocks]

I don't understand your results Mark... In Anand's tests the PD when under multitasking conditions performed much better (close to 83% better than your Higher clocked chip).

DVD Shrink

DVD Shrink while Multitasking

Another DVD Shrink with Multitasking

 

[Markfw]

Even by anands tests, the X2 creams the P-D's......(see your middle chart, the other two don't show an X2)

 

[anandtechrocks]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Even by anands tests, the X2 creams the P-D's......(see your middle chart, the other two don't show an X2)

I'm not arguing that. I know the X2 is far superior to the PD in just about every aspect. Your tests must be flawed though. Perhaps you have a faulty PD and should RMA it instead of posting all this negative, possibly incorrect information.

And as far as I'm concerned a 1-5 minutes isn't exacly "creaming," expecially since the FX-55 comes in last by half an hour. I think the PD does very well while still costing < $200.

 

[AkumaX]

P-D - good short term and as long as you multi-task + run multi-threaded apps (like DVD shrink, NeroVision, TMPGEnc - all programs I run)
X2 - good medium term + long term, multi-task, run multi-threaded apps, gaming, run cooler, consistently better performance over competition, etc...

I still don't get the Shrink test, the results shouldn't be so skewed. At least try to take out all the variables like I/O and things to make it as even as possible. Shrink on default runs @ low priority, I wouldn't be surprised if SETI stole its cycles.

My Space Heater is gone... I felt really bad owning something with such high wattage/performance inefficiency. X2's temperatures are something to be more comfortable about; @ 2.4ghz, 29c idle and 45c load with my Sonic Tower + quiet 120mm fan (inaudible). P-D with same combo was 45c idle and 58c load. However, X2's wattage is like ~140W load whereas P-D is what, ~260W+? I bet I raised electricity bill a lot over the past 2 months...

 

[Humble Magii]

Don't pay attention to Markfw900 he threadcraps in any thread with Intel typed in it.

You can't tell the difference between a Dual Core Intel or an AMD period in general useage.

I can tell a difference mainly working with large files such as DVD's and compressed files. Parent's and regular folks using their computer for email, web browsing, and just typing letters won't notice any differences other than price. Just be glad when they buy a Dell and have a warranty so they don't call you and bug you for help .

 

[LTC8K6]

In light of further examples that don't look so bad, nevermind Mark.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: Humble Magii
Don't pay attention to Markfw900 he threadcraps in any thread with Intel typed in it.

You can't tell the difference between a Dual Core Intel or an AMD period in general useage.

I can tell a difference mainly working with large files such as DVD's and compressed files. Parent's and regular folks using their computer for email, web browsing, and just typing letters won't notice any differences other than price. Just be glad when they buy a Dell and have a warranty so they don't call you and bug you for help .

If you aren't doing anything but general stuff like watching DVD's or browsing the internet you don't need a dual core to start with. The pentium-d just plain isn't on the same level as the X2, I own both as well, and the pentium-d just plane sucks. Once yonah comes out, my pentium-d will be replaced with a dual core yonah.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It is kind of insulting when a non computer savy friend or relative makes a computer purchase without seeking your council first, isn't it?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, DVDShrink 3.2 results...

System 1, Intel 820D@3.43 ghz, DVD reader NEC 3540a using Interal IDE connector, slave configured, system 1 gig ram DDR 667, video X2 Xmen united, time 41 minutes 31 seconds.

System 2, Althon64 3200+ socket 754 @ stock 2.2 ghz, ASUS A8V(I think thats it, can't see it on the mobo), DVD reader NEC 3540a using USB external connector, system 1 gig ram DDR 400 video X2 Xmen united, time 28 minutes, 48 seconds.

OK, so thats a socket 754 Athlon64 single-core stock beating a OC'ed Intel dual-core @ 50% more clock(and then some), using faster memory, and still beating it by by 44% using an external USB drive (In case that makes any difference). And it sucks way more power and creates way more heat...

How in the hell do you justify this ? Multitasking ? It seems like a pig compared to anything in my house, but they are all Athlon64 something.... Challange my benchmarks ? Come on over, prove me wrong....

You know, even if the software is not SMP aware, for a single channel cpu rated below the single-core speed of my OC'ed 820 dual-core for one core, its really pathetic to get beat by 44%, and in case IO rate has any influence, its using a slower interface (USB vs ultra dma)

Mark, normally you are pretty honest, but this is just trash.

You and i both know that clockspeed doesnt mean a damn thing, they are different architectures, so your "50% more clock" garbage can be thrown out the window.

The intel is not faster, we know.

Its also painfully appearent that DVDshrink is not using the 2nd core.

But its not bad at all if configured properly.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
Using a Vantec fan controller on a couple of 120 mm fans and the stock HS is usually running 1000-1400 RPM, so yes it is silent. Plus load temps never break 64C. Granted that is very hot since my 3700+ never breaks 47-48C, but the PD doesn't throttle so no harm done.

64C and it doesn't throttle? Yikes. That is some serious heat. Did you disable throttling in the BIOS? How does it not throttle at those temperatures?

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
Using a Vantec fan controller on a couple of 120 mm fans and the stock HS is usually running 1000-1400 RPM, so yes it is silent. Plus load temps never break 64C. Granted that is very hot since my 3700+ never breaks 47-48C, but the PD doesn't throttle so no harm done.

64C and it doesn't throttle? Yikes. That is some serious heat. Did you disable throttling in the BIOS? How does it not throttle at those temperatures?

At stock speeds throttling kicks in around 72C, 64c is actualy a decent temp for a pentium-d as scary as that is, and about average for a 3.2-3.4 5xx series prescott as well. Mine was running at 70c until I water cooled it. Now it doesn't run at all, since the water block sprung a leak. Disabling throttling in the bios doesn't actualy disable throttling anyway.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
Using a Vantec fan controller on a couple of 120 mm fans and the stock HS is usually running 1000-1400 RPM, so yes it is silent. Plus load temps never break 64C. Granted that is very hot since my 3700+ never breaks 47-48C, but the PD doesn't throttle so no harm done.

64C and it doesn't throttle? Yikes. That is some serious heat. Did you disable throttling in the BIOS? How does it not throttle at those temperatures?

They throttle at 70C.

 

[AkumaX]

Actually it was found out that throttling kicks in with the ratio of vcore on the processor. Mark's cpu @ 1.4v started throttling around uh.. I forgot. But my cpu, at 1.25v and 1.2v @ load never throttled, even at 75c load.

 

[Markfw]

Did you use S&M to check throttling ? throttlewatch doesn;t detect the P-D's, only S&M.

And BTW, I apologize for the ghz comment earlier, I don;t know what I was thinking (a six-pack later). Also, new wrinkle. My PD system appears to be running my DVD in PIO mode, and it won;t change. And then I tried external USB, and after 10 minutes or so the whole computer locks up. This system has been running F@H, and had no other problems since I got it, so I have no idea whats up. I guess I have to do some more work to figure out why its so hosed. POS system.... Intel chipset too !

Edit: No, its the hard drive thats in PIO mode, even though the bios say udma-5 capable ! WTF ???? Any suggestions ? And as to why locking up the software after 15 minutes on the usb port ? (computer responds, but device manager can't even shut down the processes, had to hard power down) This is windows 2000, all patches applied BTW.

 

[anandtechrocks]

Mark I think there is something wrong with your computer. All your results have been inconsistent with everyone elses (including Anand's), and if I were you I'd reset my cmos and try again. By now you should see this and I think you should stop spreading all this incorrect information about PDs... yes we know they generally perform worse and run hotter than AMD's chips but when less than $200 can get you on the path to dual core, I find it a very plausable option.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
Mark I think there is something wrong with your computer. All your results have been inconsistent with everyone elses (including Anand's), and if I were you I'd reset my cmos and try again. By now you should see this and I think you should stop spreading all this incorrect information about PDs... yes we know they generally perform worse and run hotter than AMD's chips but when less than $200 can get you on the path to dual core, I find it a very plausable option.

I have re-instlled windows twice, and I am not spreading fud. I acknowledge that my latest test is now invalid, that my hard drive is on PIO mode, that doesn;t mean I need to re-install windows.

Edit, and I don;t see how you can say plausable, when even at slock within a year, the electric bill alone will cancel any saving on the cpu. And if you want to OC ? forget it, the cooling options required cancel any cost saving on the first few months, and after a year, you have a system that cost more than an X2, and is slower to boot !

 

[Technonut]

I guess I have to do some more work to figure out why its so hosed. POS system.... Intel chipset too !

Not the chipset.... More than likely the ECS mobo wrapped around it.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Technonut

I guess I have to do some more work to figure out why its so hosed. POS system.... Intel chipset too !

Not the chipset.... More than likely the ECS mobo wrapped around it.

Any constructive suggestions as to how to fix this problem ? Replacing the mobo is not one of the possibilities. And ECS is a fine company, and make fine motheroards. I was actually very impressed with the OC capabilities of this motherboard, unlike past motherboards I have seem from ECS. Previously they were great as stock, but limited OC options. Now I have that too ! And the BIOS sees the drives fine, windows just has a problem.

 

[Technonut]

How do you have the DVD drive setup.... Master on the secondary IDE port?

 

[Markfw]

There is only one available real IDE port with master and slave. The other one is for sata drives. drives I guess, as there is only one connecter on the motherboard (I know RTFM, but theres only one connector, and I don't have sata drives, so why bother research)

So IDE is master (hitachi) and NEC 3540a slave, and its in ultra dma mode !

Edit there are 4 sata connectors on the motherboard.

 

[Technonut]

Strange issues.... Do you have the SATA ports disabled in the BIOS?

 

[Markfw]

OK, thanks for the suggestions, 5 boots later, after diabling the sata ports, still pio mode. But now I know I was right. The first 2 sata ports showed up as the other two IDE, and there were settigs for that, then the other two were regular sata configures as pata. Now it only sees the two real IDE devices, and after boot, it says UDMA5 for th HD, and UDMA2 for the DVD, but in wondows, no change, even after detecting and installing the "new" devices. (hence all the boots.)

Now what ?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Technonut

I guess I have to do some more work to figure out why its so hosed. POS system.... Intel chipset too !

Not the chipset.... More than likely the ECS mobo wrapped around it.

Any constructive suggestions as to how to fix this problem ? Replacing the mobo is not one of the possibilities. And ECS is a fine company, and make fine motheroards. I was actually very impressed with the OC capabilities of this motherboard, unlike past motherboards I have seem from ECS. Previously they were great as stock, but limited OC options. Now I have that too ! And the BIOS sees the drives fine, windows just has a problem.

Actually, ECS is the worst of the worst, and have a very bad reuptation for very finicky motherboards. Theres a reason they are half the price of all the others.