2005 GTO

[vi edit]

what in the hell are you even talking about... we havent used leaf springs in over 20 years on performance cars....

2005 C6 Corvette has leaf springs.

 

[CVSiN]

not the same as the old leaf springs as written above they are completley new design...
the name should almost be changed...

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
not the same as the old leaf springs as written above they are completley new design...
the name should almost be changed...

I really couldn't care less what they call them or what they are. I just know that for the low $40,000s the C6 flat out destroys anything within $40,000 of it.



I just wanted to point out that it has LEAF SPRINGS!!!!!! As declared by the old dude from Top Gear.

So what. It's fast. It handles superb for what it is.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: CVSiN
not the same as the old leaf springs as written above they are completley new design...
the name should almost be changed...

I really couldn't care less what they call them or what they are. I just know that for the low $40,000s the C6 flat out destroys anything within $40,000 of it.



I just wanted to point out that it has LEAF SPRINGS!!!!!! As declared by the old dude from Top Gear.

So what. It's fast. It handles superb for what it is.

the C6 is $40K?? woah i didnt know that!
the C6 Z06 is $75K, no?

$35K difference for 100 hp?!

 

[LTC8K6]

Yeah, I wish cars would quit using those old fashioned shocks and struts. Those crude old coil springs are out of date too. I can't believe anyone still uses that hopelessly old wishbone suspension design either.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: CVSiN
not the same as the old leaf springs as written above they are completley new design...
the name should almost be changed...

I really couldn't care less what they call them or what they are. I just know that for the low $40,000s the C6 flat out destroys anything within $40,000 of it.



I just wanted to point out that it has LEAF SPRINGS!!!!!! As declared by the old dude from Top Gear.

So what. It's fast. It handles superb for what it is.

the C6 is $40K?? woah i didnt know that!
the C6 Z06 is $75K, no?

$35K difference for 100 hp?!

its not just the hp thats different (even though that 427 cu in engine is freaking amazing)....

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: M13
Sorry nourdmrolNMT1, I don't read top gear. I just happen to know people in the business who work on these cars and more. I do read some mags but most are incredibly biased. Try some engineering for a change. One of my friends recently worked on a TT 300Z. NOw there's a car!! It will eat stang, snakes and vettes for lunch with no modifications whatsoever and be a commuter car to boot. Put that in your exhaust pipe and blow yourself!! And he only paid $6000K for it. And it handles like a dream with plenty of muscle. And the engine doesn't blow when it goes through its paces. I have seen more than a share of engines blown on the highway that belong to vettes, camaros and stang. They can't handle the pressure unless they have modifications.
And you haven't made one single comment as to the notes I stated so generally when I see someone throwing profanity, it generally means they don't know.
I stand fast when I say, watch a float competiiton and watch the Dakar race. Then comments are welcome. And a F1 would be a good start too.

You're clueless. There's so many things wrong with what you're saying that I don't know where to start.

 

[Actaeon]

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: CVSiN
not the same as the old leaf springs as written above they are completley new design...
the name should almost be changed...

I really couldn't care less what they call them or what they are. I just know that for the low $40,000s the C6 flat out destroys anything within $40,000 of it.



I just wanted to point out that it has LEAF SPRINGS!!!!!! As declared by the old dude from Top Gear.

So what. It's fast. It handles superb for what it is.

the C6 is $40K?? woah i didnt know that!
the C6 Z06 is $75K, no?

$35K difference for 100 hp?!

its not just the hp thats different (even though that 427 cu in engine is freaking amazing)....

Aside from the nicer and bigger engine, there is a weight reduction for sure. I can imagine a stiffer suspension and probally bigger brakes.

 

[vi edit]

Aside from the nicer and bigger engine, there is a weight reduction for sure. I can imagine a stiffer suspension and probally bigger brakes.

Aye. They put a lot of carbon fiber into the new Z06 to reduce weight. Frame is also aluminum instead of steel.

 

[Actaeon]

One of my friends recently worked on a TT 300Z. NOw there's a car!! It will eat stang, snakes and vettes for lunch with no modifications whatsoever and be a commuter car to boot. Put that in your exhaust pipe and blow yourself!! And he only paid $6000K for it. And it handles like a dream with plenty of muscle. And the engine doesn't blow when it goes through its paces.

In a straight line/drag, 300ZXs would NOT kill a C5 Corvette for "lunch" with no modifcations. It pushes around 300hp at the crank, and probally closer to 280-290 at the wheels. A pretty quick car, but still not able to top off the Corvette. The Corvette is probably 200lbs or so lighter than the 300ZX, and has more power as well. Heck, the 300ZX clocks in around the same quarter mile time as a 93-97 LT1 Camaro, but they do get stomped by the newer 98-2002 LS1 F-bodies.

The 300ZX is easily tuneable to get more power (2 turbos make that job kinda easy), but you said "with no modifications whatsoever". That said, with mods, its probally easier to get more power out of the 300ZX, but it doesn't mean it has any more potential. The LS1 block has tons of aftermarket. With an engine like that, you're likely to be limited by your wallet than the engine/aftermarket itself.

As far as handling goes, they're decent cars, but they're just too heavy. A Corvette would smoke it on a drag strip, and a real race course. This isn't even including the C5 Z06, C6, or the upcoming C6 Z06, all of which are fasinating cars, much much better than the 300ZX.

300ZX's could be somewhat reliable cars when well taken care of, but so is any car. With neglect, the 300ZX easily becomes a money pit. If you ever seen its engine bay it doesn't look like it is any fun to work on. There is absolutely no room in there.

300ZXs are nice cars, but you really overrate them.

 

[DougK62]

hahahahah, M13 getting owned.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: CVSiN
not the same as the old leaf springs as written above they are completley new design...
the name should almost be changed...

I really couldn't care less what they call them or what they are. I just know that for the low $40,000s the C6 flat out destroys anything within $40,000 of it.



I just wanted to point out that it has LEAF SPRINGS!!!!!! As declared by the old dude from Top Gear.

So what. It's fast. It handles superb for what it is.

the C6 is $40K?? woah i didnt know that!
the C6 Z06 is $75K, no?

$35K difference for 100 hp?!

Carbon fiber fenders, aluminum frame, better seats, dry sump oil lubrication, transmission cooling, wider flared fenders (by 2 inches in the rear) and the associated wider tires, non-removeable hardtop, strengthened clutch, and a few other changes to go with. This car is going to be insane.

 

[MikeMike]

hehe, we need to put a 300ZX up against a good old TurboMinivan, just for sh!ts and giggles, and show him what pushrods and a slight turbo increase can do. and what they can withstain

MIKE

 

[imported_DocHolliday]

sorry to get back on topic BUT if they just imported the holden and left off their disgusting white trashlike grand am front end that car would be pretty decent

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: M13
GTO VALVETRAIN: 2 Over Head Valves per Cyl w/Pushrod Acuation

This the outmoded pushrod that US cars use. Europe hasn't used this in years. No wonder the US can't design a decent performance car.

Ck out what Europe and Japan use instead.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!......
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA.....

dude I can build an 1986-1993 225hp Ford 302ci Pushrod V8 into a 700-1000hp monster and build the stang that would stomp the living sh1t outa any euro or jap trash POS for 1/3 of the price...

and work on it in my own garage without needed a 90 dollar an hour mechanic to tell me in german itd gonna cost me 700$ for maintainance...

please get outa dreamland and come back to earth retard..

My last stang was 9 second street car that was 49 state legal with a topend well over 180 with 3:55 gears in it and 9 second quarters with 4:10 gears in it..

car ate Italian and german trash for lunch and dinner...

Hennesey Viper... 1200 HP viper.... eats all Euro trash period...
Saleen Supercar dominates everything
Corvette C6 rated by car and driver over the new 911 turbo...
all pushrod engines...

get off the crack...

None of those cars could challenge an Enzo around the 'ring. Nor be as drivable and comfortable.

The Viper Venom's are notoriously difficult and NOT FUN to drive on the street. They are hazardous.

LOL @ nebor.. screw that pansey ass Ferrari over priced peice of sh1t..
there are 1200 Saleen stangs here in Houston that pull better stats in SCAA than any Enzo would...

hell there re Corvettes on the streets in Houston made by CXI that are pushing 600-1400 HP that are street driven that eat freaking bikes and Ferraris for all meals..
the Enzo is NOT comfortable it is way too pricey for the performance it offers....
any amercian car can be upgraded way past its performance with a little knowldge and the right parts and not even a 1/4 of the cost of an Enzo... or any other ferrari...

not to mention the fact that any joe can build a 600 hp stang that pulls 1g on the skidpad for less than 50k
not even 1 in 1 million can get thier hands on an Enzo...

I'll tell you again, no American production car can stand against the Enzo at Nürburgring. You're welcome to give your life trying to prove me wrong though.

 

[g8wayrebel]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
they are rebadged holden monaro's, from australia. top gear tested one and loved it to death.

link

This isn't the same car at all. The tail is totally different and the Aussie version is much nicer IMO.

 

[mb]

HOTTTTTT

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: M13
I really wish that this could be a thread that would discuss the facts as they apply.
Here is a thread that discusses the GTO and vette in a much better way.
http://www.automotivehelper.com/topic297544.htm

And when its all said and done, the sad fact is that the Am cars are outdated, outperformed in every sense including decent styling and handling. If I wanted a good car that handled well, was fun and cheap, I still would choose my old '89 Acura Legend. For $2500, its been a kick w/o modifications.
I still haven't seen anyone who knows how the floating competiiton is judged. These cars cannot be modified and the top performers are not American because the Am cars either blow their engines or their suspension goes. Leaf springs!!! Come on!!
The Gto made it because it had to be redone which meant it needed its suspension redone and its engine so it could handle the abuse that floating demands. And yes, F1 racing pretty much says it all when it comes to real handling and performance. Then lets not forget the true enduro test which is the Paris Dakar. Check out the results.

what in the hell are you even talking about... we havent used leaf springs in over 20 years on performance cars....

comparing anything to a POS Acura legend? wtf are you smoking... freaking SVT Ford Focus could smoke that car =P...

Your one of those morons that prays for MTV to Pimp thier POS Acura legend arnt you? reading nothing but ricer and euro trash propoganda...

Tell ya what sporto.... get you yuppy ass in your beater and drive to the local circuit track on an SCCA track day... and watch how strong AM cars against ricers and Euro trash in the same classes... then come back here and talk sh1t....

This guy sounds intelligent. Not because he is right or wrong. But because he proves his point by cussing and insulting things.

EDIT: Oh and :thumbsdown:

 

[quikah]

Originally posted by: Nebor

I'll tell you again, no American production car can stand against the Enzo at Nürburgring. You're welcome to give your life trying to prove me wrong though.

What lap time does the Enzo pull? The only thing I could find on the web was that Ferari was too afraid to let anyone run the course with it.

The current record is 7:18 by a Donkervoort 270 (funky looking car) beating the previous record of 7:32 held by a Porsche GT2. The Corvette C6 times I found anywhere from 7:56 to 8:18.

Lets add price/performance to that test also and see who wins.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: quikah

Originally posted by: Nebor

I'll tell you again, no American production car can stand against the Enzo at Nürburgring. You're welcome to give your life trying to prove me wrong though.

What lap time does the Enzo pull? The only thing I could find on the web was that Ferari was too afraid to let anyone run the course with it.

The current record is 7:18 by a Donkervoort 270 (funky looking car) beating the previous record of 7:32 held by a Porsche GT2. The Corvette C6 times I found anywhere from 7:56 to 8:18.

Lets add price/performance to that test also and see who wins.

That Donkervoort looks nothing like a normal roadcar

A Carrera GT was 0.2 off the GT2 lol, but keeping in mind how the Enzo was faster than the Carrera GT around the Top Gear track I suppose you can assume a faster lap time than that too bad no owner wants to try it.

Of course that Donkervoort looks nothing like a normal roadcar...

EDIT: Here's a somewhat recent list... but says that the Carrera GT was faster than the GT2 which would make more sense.

Porsche Carrera GT ( 9/2004) 7:32.44 (22.835km circuit)
TechArt-Porsche GT street ( 8/2001) 7:43
Pagani Zonda S ( 7/2002) 7:44
Porsche 911 GT2 ( 6/2001) 7:46
Porsche 911 GT3 RS ( 3/2004) 7:47
Porsche 911 GT3 Cup ( 2/1999) 7:49
Lamborghini Murciélago ( 6/2002) 7:50
BMW M3 CSL ( 8/2003) 7:50
Mercedes SLR McLaren ( 6/2004) 7:52
Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 (???) 7:52 (Unofficial)
Lamborghini Gallardo (12/2003) 7:52
Porsche 911 GT3 ( 6/2003) 7:54
Ferrari Challenge Stradale ( 2/2004) 7:56
Porsche 911 Turbo ( 6/2000) 7:56
Honda NSX-R ( 8/2002) 7:56
Lotec-Porsche 911 Turbo ( 5/1998) 7:57
Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 (???) 7:59 (Unofficial)
Subaru Impreza WRX STi SPEC C (??/2004) 7:59
Porsche 911 GT3 ( 8/1999) 8:03
Lamborghini Diablo GT ( 7/2000) 8:04
Ferrari 575M Maranello (12/2002) 8:05
Ferrari 550 Maranello ( 6/1998) 8:07
Lamborghini Diablo SV ( 12/1997) 8:09
Ferrari F360 Modena ( 10/1999) 8:09
Donkervoort D8 180R ( 3/2001) 8:10
Chrysler Viper GTS ( 10/1997) 8:10
Mercedes SL55 AMG ( 5/2002) 8:12
Dodge Viper SRT-10 (10/2004) 8:13
Lotus Esprit Sport 350 ( 5/1999) 8:13
AC-Schnitzer-BMW CLS III ( 11/1997) 8:16
Porsche 911 Carrera (10/2001) 8:17
Aston Martin V12 Vanquish ( 1/2003) 8:17
Porsche 911 Carrera ( 1/1998) 8:17
Chevrolet Corvette Com. Edition ( 9/2003) 8:18
Ferrari F355 ( 6/1997) 8:18
BMW Z8 ( 8/2000) 8:18
Audi RS6 ( 9/2002) 8:20
Mercedes C55 AMG ( 7/2004) 8:22
BMW M3 ( 12/2000) 8:22
BMW M Coupe ( 10/1998) 8:22
Aston Martin DB7 GT ( 7/2003) 8:23
Porsche Carrera 4 ( 2/2001) 8:23
Subaru Impreza WRX STi ( 5/2004) 8:24
Mitsubishi Carisma GT EVO VII (11/2002) 8:25
Callaway C12 Coupe ( 4/1999) 8:25
Audi RS4 ( 10/2000) 8:25
Mitsubishi Carisma GT EVO VI ( 11/1999) 8:25
Nissan 350Z (10/2003) 8:26
BMW M5 ( 3/1999) 8:28
Mercedes CLK 55 AMG ( 5/2000) 8:29
Audi S4 Avant (11/2003) 8:29
Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa (10/2002) 8:30
Lotus Exige ( 8/2004) 8:32
BMW Z4 3.0 SMG ( 5/2003) 8:32
BMW M Roadster ( 9/1997) 8:32
Porsche Boxster S ( 12/1999) 8:32
Opel Speedster Turbo ( 4/2004) 8:34
BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i ( 4/2001) 8:34
Brabus-Mercedes C V8 Coupé ( 2/2002) 8:35
Porsche Boxster ( 3/2003) 8:36
BMW M3 SMG ( 3/1997) 8:35
BMW Alpina B3 3.3 ( 7/1999) 8:36
VW Golf R32 ( 2/2003) 8:37
Mercedes C32 AMG ( 9/2001) 8:37
Maserati 3200 GT ( 9/2000) 8:37
Subaru Impreza GT Turbo ( 3/2000) 8:37
Honda NSX ( 8/1997) 8:38
Brabus-Mercedes CLK 5.8 ( 12/1998) 8:38
Mercedes SL500 (12/2001) 8:38
Morgan Aero 8 ( 4/2003) 8:39
Honda S2000 ( 1/2000) 8:39
Chevrolet Corvette ( 7/1997) 8:40
Aston Martin DB7 Vantage ( 9/1999) 8:41
Audi S3 ( 6/1999) 8:41
Audi S4 ( 8/1998) 8:42
Lotus Exige ( 11/2000) 8:42
Honda Civic Type-R (11/2001) 8:47
Renaul Clio Sport V6 ( 7/2001) 8:49
Jaguar XKR Coupe ( 7/1998) 8:49
Audi TT 1.8T quattro ( 11/1998) 8:49
Alpina B10 3.2 ( 4/1998) 8:50
Alfa Romeo 156 GTA ( 6/2002) 8:51
Mercedes Benz C43 AMG ( 3/1998) 8:51
Mercedes CLK 430 ( 9/1998) 8:52
VW Golf GTI ( 1/2002) 8:54
Porsche Boxster ( 4/1997) 8:54
Mini Cooper S Works ( 9/2004) 8:55
AMG-Mercedes SLK-230 Kompressor ( 5/1997) 9:07
VW Golf V6 4motion ( 4/2000) 9:09

 

[Stumps]

Ahhh nothin like the US version of the 2004 Holden VZ Monaro, the Australian HSV versions are much better, often compared with BMW's and Mercedes in Australian publications, in Australian spec the 4 door version is faster and handles better than the M5 and E55 AMG, despite poorer build quality, the 2 door versions are faster than the 4 doors due to less weight, and for the record, the GTO isn't manufactured in the US it is MADE IN AUSTRALIA! at Holden's Adelaide Plant.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

did anyone read what I said regarding to engine technology and the SBC?

 

[Stumps]

whats makes it even funnier is the HSV Monaro is out performed by Ford Australia 4 litre Inline 6 Turbo FPV Typhoon, the hypo version of the Ford BA Falcon XR6T, the ford BA is superior in every way to the Holden VZ except for one small thing.. It's only availible in a 4 door...when will Ford Australia wake and remake the Falcon GT Coupe

 

[Stumps]

the Falcon GT coupe that is not the GT40 or "FORD GT" as it it known

 

[quikah]

Originally posted by: bR

Of course that Donkervoort looks nothing like a normal roadcar...

EDIT: Here's a somewhat recent list... but says that the Carrera GT was faster than the GT2 which would make more sense.

Eh, the Donkervoort looks about as normal as any of the other supercars.

I got my numbers from a Donkervoort press release off of http://www.vwvortex.com/artman...ews/printer_1112.shtml

They seem to mix the GT and GT2 in there so may be a typo, just quick glanced it and got the figures from the bottom that says GT2.

Regardless my point was that the comparatively cheap Corvette makes an impressive showing.