2005 GTO

[IHateMyJob2004]

IS THAT A JOKE!

That is no GTO. Your headline made me think theat they are redoing the GTO. Not making a god damned Grand am with a big engine. THAT THING IS A POS.

Now, if they brought back the REAL GTO, please let us know.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
i never understood completely the purpose for buying a fast road car. most corvettes and transams and porsches i see in the street seem to drive normally. sure they often go a little faster than other cars, but other cars can go fast as well if thy wish. it seems illogical that people would buy a 400hp car if they never max out the potential of the car when driving. my brother owns an s2000 and frankly, i think its great and fast and everything, but in normal driving, itd hardly perform better than a little accord, and actually be less comfortable (ride us harsh and noisy).

it makes sense if you guys race on a track and everything (since its fun), but im not sure if everybody with these fast cars do so.

perhaps people like the feeling of flooring a mustang on a green light? still, i hardly see that happen, even from people driving fast cars. i tried relating it to people buyingt high power PCs, but it didntr really work. we have 3GHz HT cpus and super video cards, but we get that to play games- not to run benchmarks. i guess what im saying is, why buy a sports car if the advantage of sportscars over road cars can hardly be used? (i may be wrong, its just that everytime i see these fast cars in traffic, they seem to drive pretty similarly to "normal" cars). luxury cars i can understand, as they are real comfortable... but i know for one my brother never takes his s2k to go racing or anything.

maybe if i drove more of them itd make sense.

ever stomp down on a 300+ HP car?

ever wish you had more power than that feeling?

If not then you'll never understand. Its like owning you own personal roller coaster. everyday.

One would not understand the need for power. It's not about how fast the car will go, it's about how long it takes it to go fast. Hence why I have on order a LT-1 intake and cam to throw in my lowely 91 trans am.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Munchies

Originally posted by: M13
GTO VALVETRAIN: 2 Over Head Valves per Cyl w/Pushrod Acuation

This the outmoded pushrod that US cars use. Europe hasn't used this in years. No wonder the US can't design a decent performance car.

Ck out what Europe and Japan use instead.

SHUT UP YOU FOOL. We dont want any piece of sh!t overhead cam bullshit. WHy is it that there are no DOHC or OHC in nascar or drag racing or any motorsports that have any real balls to them? Dummy

Come on now. I'm defending the pushrods too, but you're making us both look bad. You're saying that F1, JGTC, WRC, aren't credible racing venues? Or that Nascar and drag racing are the be all/end all of motorsports??? F1 is the pinnacle of automotive tech, their entire existence is practically based on technology development. They don't use anything that doesn't make the car faster, within the rules. And they use overhead cams.

Recently C&D did a piece on a Dodge Nextel Cup car. Test drove it, talked about it, etc. Really cool article. But there's an interesting quote in there from one of the Dodge crew members: "If you wanted to build a race car, this wouldn't be how you'd do it." 'Nuff said.

:thumbsup:

 

[JDub02]

if I can get one ~$25k, it shall be mine.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
IS THAT A JOKE!

That is no GTO. Your headline made me think theat they are redoing the GTO. Not making a god damned Grand am with a big engine. THAT THING IS A POS.

Now, if they brought back the REAL GTO, please let us know.

Wah wah wah, everyone wants to relive the past, bring back another retro car, rehash old ideas, bank on heritage rather than create a new legend. If they created a GTO that looked like the old GTO, what will they do in 2045 when GM is again out of ideas? Create a retro version of a retro version?

 

[RiDE]

I would like to know how many of these people screaming BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL GTO were actually alive back then or are just riding on popular opinion around here.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: M13
GTO VALVETRAIN: 2 Over Head Valves per Cyl w/Pushrod Acuation

This the outmoded pushrod that US cars use. Europe hasn't used this in years. No wonder the US can't design a decent performance car.

Ck out what Europe and Japan use instead.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!......
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA.....

dude I can build an 1986-1993 225hp Ford 302ci Pushrod V8 into a 700-1000hp monster and build the stang that would stomp the living sh1t outa any euro or jap trash POS for 1/3 of the price...

and work on it in my own garage without needed a 90 dollar an hour mechanic to tell me in german itd gonna cost me 700$ for maintainance...

please get outa dreamland and come back to earth retard..

My last stang was 9 second street car that was 49 state legal with a topend well over 180 with 3:55 gears in it and 9 second quarters with 4:10 gears in it..

car ate Italian and german trash for lunch and dinner...

Hennesey Viper... 1200 HP viper.... eats all Euro trash period...
Saleen Supercar dominates everything
Corvette C6 rated by car and driver over the new 911 turbo...
all pushrod engines...

get off the crack...

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: M13
C'mon guys. Let's get real. I can beat a Camaro with my 1989 Acura Legend. It has more torque and is more fun to drive than even a Celica GTS. Torque is FUN!
Don't try to put a GTO into the Floating craze because they already tried and had to redesign the whole car.
DUH!!!!!!!!!
Pushrod diehards!!
AMerican cars don't have guts, just the severe shakes and who wants a car that shakes and breaks!
Long Live the Japanese and even those Italian stud cars!!
I would put my money on any of those rather than a Vette, Viper, Stang or any other AM car

HAHHAHAHAH omg i cant breathe bring that pussy ass skyline, RX7, or anything else to the line... road course or drag...
ill show you american junk =P

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: M13
GTO VALVETRAIN: 2 Over Head Valves per Cyl w/Pushrod Acuation

This the outmoded pushrod that US cars use. Europe hasn't used this in years. No wonder the US can't design a decent performance car.

Ck out what Europe and Japan use instead.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!......
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA.....

dude I can build an 1986-1993 225hp Ford 302ci Pushrod V8 into a 700-1000hp monster and build the stang that would stomp the living sh1t outa any euro or jap trash POS for 1/3 of the price...

and work on it in my own garage without needed a 90 dollar an hour mechanic to tell me in german itd gonna cost me 700$ for maintainance...

please get outa dreamland and come back to earth retard..

My last stang was 9 second street car that was 49 state legal with a topend well over 180 with 3:55 gears in it and 9 second quarters with 4:10 gears in it..

car ate Italian and german trash for lunch and dinner...

Hennesey Viper... 1200 HP viper.... eats all Euro trash period...
Saleen Supercar dominates everything
Corvette C6 rated by car and driver over the new 911 turbo...
all pushrod engines...

get off the crack...

None of those cars could challenge an Enzo around the 'ring. Nor be as drivable and comfortable.

The Viper Venom's are notoriously difficult and NOT FUN to drive on the street. They are hazardous.

 

[M13]

I really wish that this could be a thread that would discuss the facts as they apply.
Here is a thread that discusses the GTO and vette in a much better way.
http://www.automotivehelper.com/topic297544.htm

And when its all said and done, the sad fact is that the Am cars are outdated, outperformed in every sense including decent styling and handling. If I wanted a good car that handled well, was fun and cheap, I still would choose my old '89 Acura Legend. For $2500, its been a kick w/o modifications.
I still haven't seen anyone who knows how the floating competiiton is judged. These cars cannot be modified and the top performers are not American because the Am cars either blow their engines or their suspension goes. Leaf springs!!! Come on!!
The Gto made it because it had to be redone which meant it needed its suspension redone and its engine so it could handle the abuse that floating demands. And yes, F1 racing pretty much says it all when it comes to real handling and performance. Then lets not forget the true enduro test which is the Paris Dakar. Check out the results.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: M13
I really wish that this could be a thread that would discuss the facts as they apply.
Here is a thread that discusses the GTO and vette in a much better way.
http://www.automotivehelper.com/topic297544.htm

And when its all said and done, the sad fact is that the Am cars are outdated, outperformed in every sense including decent styling and handling. If I wanted a good car that handled well, was fun and cheap, I still would choose my old '89 Acura Legend. For $2500, its been a kick w/o modifications.
I still haven't seen anyone who knows how the floating competiiton is judged. These cars cannot be modified and the top performers are not American because the Am cars either blow their engines or their suspension goes. Leaf springs!!! Come on!!
The Gto made it because it had to be redone which meant it needed its suspension redone and its engine so it could handle the abuse that floating demands. And yes, F1 racing pretty much says it all when it comes to real handling and performance. Then lets not forget the true enduro test which is the Paris Dakar. Check out the results.

do you actually know anything about cars, or do you just watch top gear and repeat it word for word?

your a fvcking retarded garbage spewer who truthfully wouldnt know a crankshaft from a piston.

MIKE

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: M13
GTO VALVETRAIN: 2 Over Head Valves per Cyl w/Pushrod Acuation

This the outmoded pushrod that US cars use. Europe hasn't used this in years. No wonder the US can't design a decent performance car.

Ck out what Europe and Japan use instead.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!......
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA.....

dude I can build an 1986-1993 225hp Ford 302ci Pushrod V8 into a 700-1000hp monster and build the stang that would stomp the living sh1t outa any euro or jap trash POS for 1/3 of the price...

and work on it in my own garage without needed a 90 dollar an hour mechanic to tell me in german itd gonna cost me 700$ for maintainance...

please get outa dreamland and come back to earth retard..

My last stang was 9 second street car that was 49 state legal with a topend well over 180 with 3:55 gears in it and 9 second quarters with 4:10 gears in it..

car ate Italian and german trash for lunch and dinner...

Hennesey Viper... 1200 HP viper.... eats all Euro trash period...
Saleen Supercar dominates everything
Corvette C6 rated by car and driver over the new 911 turbo...
all pushrod engines...

get off the crack...

Don't you ride some japanese bike or whatever that jap trash POS is?

 

[M13]

Sorry nourdmrolNMT1, I don't read top gear. I just happen to know people in the business who work on these cars and more. I do read some mags but most are incredibly biased. Try some engineering for a change. One of my friends recently worked on a TT 300Z. NOw there's a car!! It will eat stang, snakes and vettes for lunch with no modifications whatsoever and be a commuter car to boot. Put that in your exhaust pipe and blow yourself!! And he only paid $6000K for it. And it handles like a dream with plenty of muscle. And the engine doesn't blow when it goes through its paces. I have seen more than a share of engines blown on the highway that belong to vettes, camaros and stang. They can't handle the pressure unless they have modifications.
And you haven't made one single comment as to the notes I stated so generally when I see someone throwing profanity, it generally means they don't know.
I stand fast when I say, watch a float competiiton and watch the Dakar race. Then comments are welcome. And a F1 would be a good start too.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
My last stang was 9 second street car that was 49 state legal with a topend well over 180 with 3:55 gears in it and 9 second quarters with 4:10 gears in it..

Yeah, I bet it wasn't street legal when you made this supposed 9-second passs.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: M13
I really wish that this could be a thread that would discuss the facts as they apply.
Here is a thread that discusses the GTO and vette in a much better way.
http://www.automotivehelper.com/topic297544.htm

And when its all said and done, the sad fact is that the Am cars are outdated, outperformed in every sense including decent styling and handling. If I wanted a good car that handled well, was fun and cheap, I still would choose my old '89 Acura Legend. For $2500, its been a kick w/o modifications.
I still haven't seen anyone who knows how the floating competiiton is judged. These cars cannot be modified and the top performers are not American because the Am cars either blow their engines or their suspension goes. Leaf springs!!! Come on!!
The Gto made it because it had to be redone which meant it needed its suspension redone and its engine so it could handle the abuse that floating demands. And yes, F1 racing pretty much says it all when it comes to real handling and performance. Then lets not forget the true enduro test which is the Paris Dakar. Check out the results.

The leaf spring (not plural) in the Corvette is very clever. It's a transversely (across the width of the car) mounted and made of composite plastic. It weighs less than one coil spring, and supports the entire rear end. Volvo utilized a similar design for a time in the last of their RWD models. Believe me, it's a very modern take on the leaf spring, utilized for it's compactness and it's weight saving properties.

 

[LTC8K6]

M13 probably thinks it's the old leaf springs out of a 1970 pickup.

One attempted merge on to I-95 where the posted limit was 75 and people were doing 85 was enough to convince me that I really needed a lot more grunt under the hood. There is nothing like that sinking feeling that you aren't going to make that gap......

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: M13
Sorry nourdmrolNMT1, I don't read top gear. I just happen to know people in the business who work on these cars and more. I do read some mags but most are incredibly biased. Try some engineering for a change. One of my friends recently worked on a TT 300Z. NOw there's a car!! It will eat stang, snakes and vettes for lunch with no modifications whatsoever and be a commuter car to boot. Put that in your exhaust pipe and blow yourself!! And he only paid $6000K for it. And it handles like a dream with plenty of muscle. And the engine doesn't blow when it goes through its paces. I have seen more than a share of engines blown on the highway that belong to vettes, camaros and stang. They can't handle the pressure unless they have modifications.
And you haven't made one single comment as to the notes I stated so generally when I see someone throwing profanity, it generally means they don't know.
I stand fast when I say, watch a float competiiton and watch the Dakar race. Then comments are welcome. And a F1 would be a good start too.

Jesus. The '93 Z TT was one of the most unreliable sports cars ever. Dead turbos at 20k miles, cooling issues, ect.. It was also one of the heavier japanese supercars. They leave a LOT to be desired in the handling department. They made improvements to the car as it died a slow death in the states in96'

Thats why Nissan brought the 350z back as a slimmer, NA production car. It has its problems, just not as major as the old Z TT.

If you want to talk competition, why don't you go watch the C5-R clean up at LeMans. There isn't competition for that car, it dominates.

There are always multiple ways to solve a problem. OHC is just another answer to the need for power production as is SOCH/DOCH. There are pros and cons to each, but what you're saying is 'I've seen a 'Vette broken down on the side of the road, it sucks ,what a piece of trash"

I've seen all sorts of car broken down and I know they all aren't trash, so kindly STFU. Go troll your mom while she drives you to school tomorrow.

 

[w00t]

Originally posted by: BullyCanadian
Thats an ugly car imo

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: M13
Sorry nourdmrolNMT1, I don't read top gear. I just happen to know people in the business who work on these cars and more. I do read some mags but most are incredibly biased. Try some engineering for a change. One of my friends recently worked on a TT 300Z. NOw there's a car!! It will eat stang, snakes and vettes for lunch with no modifications whatsoever and be a commuter car to boot. Put that in your exhaust pipe and blow yourself!! And he only paid $6000K for it. And it handles like a dream with plenty of muscle. And the engine doesn't blow when it goes through its paces. I have seen more than a share of engines blown on the highway that belong to vettes, camaros and stang. They can't handle the pressure unless they have modifications.
And you haven't made one single comment as to the notes I stated so generally when I see someone throwing profanity, it generally means they don't know.
I stand fast when I say, watch a float competiiton and watch the Dakar race. Then comments are welcome. And a F1 would be a good start too.

well, i will start with torque, its a proven fact that pushrod engines provide more torque on the lowend, normally they dont rev as high because of the design.

wtf are you talking about "cant handle the pressure unless they have modifications" where do you come up with that? to tell you the truth, i have never seen a vette, 'maro, 'bird, 'stang, sitting on the side of the road with an engine gone. nor have i seen any of those "better" engined cars as you say.

I see no competition for the C5R at Le Mans, hell they finished 1-2 one time. theres nothing out there to touch it.

As mentioned above, the so called "Leaf Springs" are really transversely mounted highly sophisticated "leaf springs" that when compared to those of old are so far ahead, its almost not fair to call them leaf springs, more like godly leaf springs.

engineering standpoint: i can modify ANY , i repeat ANY vehicle and get great handling out of it, some are easier than others, but its possible on any vehicle.

ill throw profanity because i dont know as much as others, i just get pissed at people spewing random bull$hit on forums leading people the wrong way.

and im done with you just cuz i dont feel like taking this any further, anyone else is welcome.

MIKE

 

[0roo0roo]

hideous. end of story.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: M13
GTO VALVETRAIN: 2 Over Head Valves per Cyl w/Pushrod Acuation

This the outmoded pushrod that US cars use. Europe hasn't used this in years. No wonder the US can't design a decent performance car.

Ck out what Europe and Japan use instead.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!......
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA.....

dude I can build an 1986-1993 225hp Ford 302ci Pushrod V8 into a 700-1000hp monster and build the stang that would stomp the living sh1t outa any euro or jap trash POS for 1/3 of the price...

and work on it in my own garage without needed a 90 dollar an hour mechanic to tell me in german itd gonna cost me 700$ for maintainance...

please get outa dreamland and come back to earth retard..

My last stang was 9 second street car that was 49 state legal with a topend well over 180 with 3:55 gears in it and 9 second quarters with 4:10 gears in it..

car ate Italian and german trash for lunch and dinner...

Hennesey Viper... 1200 HP viper.... eats all Euro trash period...
Saleen Supercar dominates everything
Corvette C6 rated by car and driver over the new 911 turbo...
all pushrod engines...

get off the crack...

None of those cars could challenge an Enzo around the 'ring. Nor be as drivable and comfortable.

The Viper Venom's are notoriously difficult and NOT FUN to drive on the street. They are hazardous.

LOL @ nebor.. screw that pansey ass Ferrari over priced peice of sh1t..
there are 1200 Saleen stangs here in Houston that pull better stats in SCAA than any Enzo would...

hell there re Corvettes on the streets in Houston made by CXI that are pushing 600-1400 HP that are street driven that eat freaking bikes and Ferraris for all meals..
the Enzo is NOT comfortable it is way too pricey for the performance it offers....
any amercian car can be upgraded way past its performance with a little knowldge and the right parts and not even a 1/4 of the cost of an Enzo... or any other ferrari...

not to mention the fact that any joe can build a 600 hp stang that pulls 1g on the skidpad for less than 50k
not even 1 in 1 million can get thier hands on an Enzo...

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: M13
I really wish that this could be a thread that would discuss the facts as they apply.
Here is a thread that discusses the GTO and vette in a much better way.
http://www.automotivehelper.com/topic297544.htm

And when its all said and done, the sad fact is that the Am cars are outdated, outperformed in every sense including decent styling and handling. If I wanted a good car that handled well, was fun and cheap, I still would choose my old '89 Acura Legend. For $2500, its been a kick w/o modifications.
I still haven't seen anyone who knows how the floating competiiton is judged. These cars cannot be modified and the top performers are not American because the Am cars either blow their engines or their suspension goes. Leaf springs!!! Come on!!
The Gto made it because it had to be redone which meant it needed its suspension redone and its engine so it could handle the abuse that floating demands. And yes, F1 racing pretty much says it all when it comes to real handling and performance. Then lets not forget the true enduro test which is the Paris Dakar. Check out the results.

what in the hell are you even talking about... we havent used leaf springs in over 20 years on performance cars....

comparing anything to a POS Acura legend? wtf are you smoking... freaking SVT Ford Focus could smoke that car =P...

Your one of those morons that prays for MTV to Pimp thier POS Acura legend arnt you? reading nothing but ricer and euro trash propoganda...

Tell ya what sporto.... get you yuppy ass in your beater and drive to the local circuit track on an SCCA track day... and watch how strong AM cars against ricers and Euro trash in the same classes... then come back here and talk sh1t....

 

[maziwanka]

where is m13?!?!? hahahahahhaha. respond to these posts damnit.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Does the method of generating power really matter when your making smooth and linear power??

The Chevy Small Block is one of the best designed V8s around. It's physically small, lightweight, and reliable. Not to mention its very flexible and can generate a lot of power, smoothly and linearly. It's an added bonus that it is a simple motor as well, which increases its reliability.

In engineering, the simplest solution to the problem is often hte best solution.

The GTO is a great car and a much better value than its German competitors. It has the performance of a 6-series at half the cost (or more than half actually). What's not to love?

All you guys bashing it and it's pushrod design are just badge-whores and elitists. If you had any enthusiasm about cars & engines you'd appreciate the package that GM has developed with the GTO, Corvette, and the Small Block V8.

The Germans used to be like that, coming up wiht simple yet elegant designs. Now look what they have become. With their over-use of technology, adding high-tech gizmos for the sake of being high-tech; all this results is in added expense at a cost of reliability.

Thats why you see the M3 having so many engine failures, its such an expensive motor that is trumped by teh SBC V8. The Chevy V8 is probably lighter, it is definately smaller, and much more reliable and can make more power without any peakiness.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: CVSiN
My last stang was 9 second street car that was 49 state legal with a topend well over 180 with 3:55 gears in it and 9 second quarters with 4:10 gears in it..

Yeah, I bet it wasn't street legal when you made this supposed 9-second passs.

Actually it was 100% legal except for Drag slicks at time of pass...
read Fun Ford Weekends "True Street Challenge" rules and regs.. all cars must be tagged... must be inspected before the event by a state trooper as 100% legal.. then we are taken on a 50 mile tour then we go back to racetrack... are NOT allowed to open hoods or do anything except change tires and fuel the car... then must make 3 back to back 1/4 mile passes and the results are averaged... my last stang was able to rip 9.60-9.80s all day long.. I placed 4th over all in 2002 and 3rd over all in 2003

Crawford 347 stroker motor TFS Twisted Wedge Heads (alum) B303 Cam Holcomb motorsports Blower intake.. 50# injectors on a Vortech Trex fuel pump MSD Ignition with boost retard topped off with a Vortech S Trim blower with a custom built Impeller running 15#s of boost. Saleen racecraft suspension with southside upper and lower rear control arms. 2 rear ends 1 with 3:55 and 1 with 4:10 gears
3:55s for SCAA 4:10s for Drag Racing..


Yes I have traded away all my stangs to concentrate on Bikes again...
I currently am still only riding bikes as my sports cars are too much of a drain on gas for my commute and the fact they arnt allowed to drive solo in the HOV lanes with a car =P.
my next car for soup up project is prolly going to be a 2005 stang.. we will see if the aftermarket gets on the ball..