2008 VP Debate Thread

[Vic]

I don't grade on a curve, so Biden clearly won.

I agree that McCain might see a small bounce from Palin not suffering another trainwreck, but at the same time, Biden made an excellent showing for those who might have been on the fence with him.

Palin made a number of glaring gaffes too, that I think got lost because of her wandering answering style. The transcripts won't be kind to her (as if many people read those though ).

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
The lefty fringe will think he killed her in the debate, the righty fringe will think she was awesome. The fact is that she held her own. Lets face it, everyone (right or left) expected her to get trounced. That simply did not happen. The expectations were way low for her, and she did herself a lot of good by simply doing a good job not making major mistakes.

It's just funny how those on the fringe think their political opinions are those of the average person......

if you voted for bush the second time, you were on the fringe of permanent stupidity.

im hoping enough americans pulled back from that precipice in the last four years.

So roughly half the American population is according to you "permanently stupid". That, in a nutshell is why you are part of the nutty fringe. You are incapable of understanding how someone could have a different opinion than yours without labeling them as "permanently stupid".

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Biden was no clear winner. Palin did very well and did what she wanted in this debate. Biden fumbled around trying to find the right talking to point to toss out there hoping it sticks.

I disagree. Soooo many times during the debate she didn't even address the question at all. Somehow during the first half of the debate every question got redirected to something involving oil in Alaska.

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: jonks
Homerun for Sarah Palin. If you took away the Katie Couric interview maybe I wouldn't be this surprised, but she looked bright, confident, and knowledgeable. SNL will have it's hands full trying to make that funny.

Anyone notice Biden said Article 1 defines the VP powers? It's actually article two. Whoops Joe. On the other hand, on the same question it was pretty clear Palin had no idea about when Cheney tried that stunt, nor that every single legal authority was too busy laughing at the claim to bother refuting it, and then she went and agreed with it. Whoops Sarah. As to the American people? Maybe 5% know which article of the Constitution defines which branch, and 5% might remember Cheney saying the VP wasn't part of the Executive branch so maybe it's a wash.

This pretty much sums up the whole debate. Quite a few factual mistatements on both sides but no gross errors or mistatements. I came out of this feeling much better about both candidates (although I already was somewhat of a Biden fan).

 

[The Boston Dangler]

biden was smart in not directly attacking the pretty lady, but he was all over mccain. when confronting his opponent directly, he was more delicate. he showed off his debating skills pretty well, but i thought he was slightly cheesey when acting human.

she, on the other hand, stuck to repeating bullet points and was often incoherent, while not answering any questions. i found her folksy act very annoying.


the fact that she exceeded incredibly low expectations does not equate to a win. she got smoked, but the masses are asses.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
I like that her criteria for success is not to lucidly address the facts but to not embarrass herself.

They successful lowered the expectations for her to where lack of embarrassment is a big win.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: loki8481
yay, the one thing they agree on is kicking me in the nuts :laugh:

I found that exchange pretty pathetic. Everyone's laughing, haha, we agree! go figure, haha, yay, no marriage for the homos!

Was hoping Biden would pull the "here in the 21st century we are aware that sexuality is not a choice, but if I may, when did you choose to be attracted to men sarah?"

 

[jpeyton]

CNN's new poll of people who WATCHED the debate:

51% said Biden won
36% said Palin won

64% said Biden did better than expected
84% said Palin did better than expected

46% said Palin is qualified for VP
54% said Palin is unqualified for VP

Begala made a good point: Palin rescued herself from being a national punchline, but she didn't really make any inroads with independents. This won't impact the election in any big way, and right now that election is going to Obama in a big way.

 

[Elias824]

The debate was far more interesting then the presidential debate. The Vp's spent most of their time talking about the presidential candidate rather then themselves. Palin gets respect for even tying biden because she is at a disadvantage with experience, if you can hold your own against someone who is more experienced then you its a play to your advantage. I would probably give the actual debate to biden, but I think overall it will be a bigger advantage for mcain and palin.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
The lefty fringe will think he killed her in the debate, the righty fringe will think she was awesome. The fact is that she held her own. Lets face it, everyone (right or left) expected her to get trounced. That simply did not happen. The expectations were way low for her, and she did herself a lot of good by simply doing a good job not making major mistakes.

It's just funny how those on the fringe think their political opinions are those of the average person......

if you voted for bush the second time, you were on the fringe of permanent stupidity.

im hoping enough americans pulled back from that precipice in the last four years.

So roughly half the American population is according to you "permanently stupid". That, in a nutshell is why you are part of the nutty fringe. You are incapable of understanding how someone could have a different opinion than yours without labeling them as "permanently stupid".

His numbers aren't quite on but I agree with the senitment. My numbers have about 30% permanently stupid. This is the same number of those who approve of Bush's current performance. At some point we need to stop apologizing for stupidity and call a duck a duck.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Genx87
Biden was no clear winner. Palin did very well and did what she wanted in this debate. Biden fumbled around trying to find the right talking to point to toss out there hoping it sticks.

I disagree. Soooo many times during the debate she didn't even address the question at all. Somehow during the first half of the debate every question got redirected to something involving oil in Alaska.

But doggone it, she was talkin' right to ya, out there in Main Street America.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Biden was no clear winner. Palin did very well and did what she wanted in this debate.

Palin came across as 'jane six pack' tand either she's playing a cutesy stupid bimbo or she is one. Either way, I don't want her as my VP.

Originally posted by: Genx87
Biden fumbled around trying to find the right talking to point to toss out there hoping it sticks.

That's because there were too many targets to focus on. Seriously. Look in this thread and you'll see 'lefties' complaining about all of the talking points that weren't mentioned.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Palin got some redemption and increased her popularity

Biden won the debate on substance and addressing the questions

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ

Originally posted by: homercles337
Im curious why people think the surge(tm) worked? Why didnt Biden rip Caribou Barbi on this? There were so many other important things that contributed (money to the insurgents, which ended/s recently/soon; the anbar awakening, which happened before the surge; the truce of al-sadr; the ethnic/sectarian cleansing; the exodus of Iraqis; etc).

It seemed like Biden's strategy through this was not to attack her very much but instead direct all attacks towards McCain, which he did very well.

Yep... there was a time or two where it looked like he was getting ready to attack her for something, but caught himself. He never brought up any of the negatives that have occurred in Wasilla or Alaska during Palin's leaderhip-- which he could've (and some Dems probably felt he should've). He spent 1/3 of his attacks on McCain, and the other 2/3 on Bush.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Here's what matters.

Palin needs to help sway Independents. She didn't do it. She can rally the base all she wants but that won't be enough to win the election.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
The lefty fringe will think he killed her in the debate, the righty fringe will think she was awesome. The fact is that she held her own. Lets face it, everyone (right or left) expected her to get trounced. That simply did not happen. The expectations were way low for her, and she did herself a lot of good by simply doing a good job not making major mistakes.

It's just funny how those on the fringe think their political opinions are those of the average person......

if you voted for bush the second time, you were on the fringe of permanent stupidity.

im hoping enough americans pulled back from that precipice in the last four years.

So roughly half the American population is according to you "permanently stupid". That, in a nutshell is why you are part of the nutty fringe. You are incapable of understanding how someone could have a different opinion than yours without labeling them as "permanently stupid".

well you are obviously stupid, because you dont understand what being on the fringe and precipice means but are trying to act like you do.

get a dictionary before you try to debate with words u dont get or sentences u just cant get that brainpower around.

or u can just play charades at the screen and see if we can understand you.

 

[Synomenon]

If Biden were debating another long-time politician, would he have had to hold back as much as he did in this debate?

 

[dyna]

Palin definitely had to circle around some of the questions but this debate ending in a tie is definitely a win for her. You could say she has more room to improve, where as Biden after this long time in politics has shown his top game. He was not disappointing but lacked the ability to win.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Krauthammer on Fox now, allowing how Biden won on points and knowledge, but Palin beat him in the debate by force of her being a pr0n movie librarian.

Fixed.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Genx87
Biden was no clear winner. Palin did very well and did what she wanted in this debate. Biden fumbled around trying to find the right talking to point to toss out there hoping it sticks.

haha wtf

I see your haha, and raise you a ROFL, and then a WTF?

I'm going all in with the lolocaust hand and all the rofl tickets for next week's drawing.

:shifty eyes:

WTF v lolocaust? Hmmm....

I dont think your rofl tickets have any winners...

Im going to have to raise with a mail order bride, and many discounts at NewEgg.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Biden didn't kick her ass, he kicked the shit out of McCains ass.

Which was the goal. Everyone said he couldn't attack her directly without coming across as sexist.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
How cute! A "USA" chant at her echo-chamber rally.

Shouting down protesters again? :laugh:

 

[Dari]

Did Biden almost tear up there when talking about his ex-wife and lost children?

 

[The Boston Dangler]

fox25 in boston reports poll results as

palin 56%
biden 40%
undecided 4%

i wouldn't be surprised if this were identical to all fox local polls, given their audience.

 

[Chaotic42]

This is the first that I've seen of either VP candidate and I think that Biden completely beat her. No contest. It was painful to listen to her.