Comparing an injured Curry in only his 2nd Finals to MJ in 6 Finals (small sample size to begin with) is the dumbest post of the day. Congrats! lmao.
Curry is the best player on the GOAT team and that pisses you off, just admit it. His ceiling is unfathomable, will he hit 500 3's next year when he's healthy?
As usual, Curry has a bad game and he's injured. He's fine, Kerr has said he's fine, Curry himself has said he's fine. He just didn't play well. He is not injured. People need to stop making excuses when he plays bad.Comparing an injured Curry in only his 2nd Finals to MJ in 6 Finals (small sample size to begin with) is the dumbest post of the day. Congrats! lmao.
Curry is the best player on the GOAT team and that pisses you off, just admit it. His ceiling is unfathomable, will he hit 500 3's next year when he's healthy?
Yup Curry has played in 7 Finals games and we're ready to judge him. Cool story brah. Statistical significance is just something that is made up I heard. :biggrin:
As if that has ever concerned you. LoL--this absolutely made my day.
Comparing an injured Curry in only his 2nd Finals to MJ in 6 Finals (small sample size to begin with) is the dumbest post of the day. Congrats! lmao.
Curry is the best player on the GOAT team and that pisses you off, just admit it. His ceiling is unfathomable, will he hit 500 3's next year when he's healthy?
He had a bad half (quarters 1 and 2). Whoopdedoo. If he's not injured, why isn't he playing the olympics? Because he even said he's injured - "considering the injuries I've had in the last few weeks in the playoffs and the short time frame between the Finals and the Team USA training camp...".As usual, Curry has a bad game and he's injured. He's fine, Kerr has said he's fine, Curry himself has said he's fine. He just didn't play well. He is not injured. People need to stop making excuses when he plays bad.
Steph should have been the MVP last year, not AI. Like the article said, it makes it more of a story when a 6th man wins it.And his excuse during last season's NBA finals where he wasn't the best player on the floor (James) or even his own team's MVP (Iguodala)?
Curry definitely has not been the best performer on his team in the NBA finals. Jordan was always the best performer in every NBA final's series he played, regardless of team match ups, hurt/sick or otherwise.
You just cannot accept Curry is nowhere near as good a NBA playoff player as Jordan. It destroys your narrative.
And for all your "numbering" you run away from advance stats (e.g. Jordan having 11 (!!!) NBA Playoff PERs better than Curry's best) and ignore the obvious "big picture, real basketball observations" like Curry was pedestrian last year in the finals.
Curry was outplayed last year in the finals. You can claim he is hurt this year but that is only deflecting the obvious: He isn't the same player in the playoffs. When the competition is better, when the games are more physical, when the games are more important and the light shines brightest, Curry is good but he is nowhere near as good as his regular season performances. Whereas Jordan was better come playoff time.
I know, that hurts. Like losing to Cleveland by 30.
I like Curry and his game--and enjoy the fact it is opening the door to more player styles and skill--so I feel bad for him and GSW fans who cannot enjoy how great this team is because johnny come lately has to ratchet up the hype to laughable levels.
It would be more enjoyable to extol the virtues of this team instead of having to put bandwagon GSW fans in their place when they get offended when their silly Jordan comparisons get slapped down. Which is really too bad because we may be entering a new era of exciting basketball. But just like the Jordan/Kobe comparisons will always tarnish his legacy the desire to throw Curry up over Jordan when his NBA final performances are lacking only serves to tarnish with Curry and the GSW have accomplished.
Not even close statistically. And AI's defense on Lebron is cancelled out by Steph's ability to draw double and triple teams.AI - 16.4ppg 5.8rpg and 4apg for the Finals.
Enter Stephen Curry and his 26ppg 5.2rpg and 6.3apg.
The reason Andre Iguodala and most of the Warriors team had open shots was because of Currys ability to draw double teams. When he drew double teams, it led to 4 on 3 opportunities which usually ended with Iguodala on the wing taking uncontested jump shots. Kudos for Iggy for making his shots but it all started with Curry not only drawing double teams, but his willingness to pass out of the double team.
I dont know about you but a guy who can draw double teams is a very VALUABLE asset on the basketball court.
He's not doing as well because you can be more physical during the playoffs, especially the finals. His whole shooting game relies on that. Being more physical is what makes him not do as well during the finals.He had a bad half (quarters 1 and 2). Whoopdedoo. If he's not injured, why isn't he playing the olympics? Because he even said he's injured - "considering the injuries I've had in the last few weeks in the playoffs and the short time frame between the Finals and the Team USA training camp...".
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:16026501
Most guys aren't going to opt out of winning in the olympics unless there's a good reason.
[FONT=Courier New]CURRY[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]G Pt A R FG 3PT FT BLK STL TO PF[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]G1 11 6 5 4/15 3/8 0/0 0 0 5 2[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]G2 18 4 9 7/11 4/8 0/0 1 0 4 4[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]G3 19 1 2 6/13 3/9 4/4 0 1 6 4[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]T 48 11 16 17/39 10/25 4/4 1 1 15 10[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]AVG 16.0 3.66 5.33 43.5% 40.0% 100% 0.33 0.33 5 3.33[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New] [/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]JAMES[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]G Pt A R FG 3PT FT BLK STL TO PF[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]G1 23 9 12 9/21 2/4 3/4 1 2 4 2[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]G2 19 9 8 7/17 1/5 4/4 1 4 7 3[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]G3 32 6 11 14/26 1/2 3/5 2 1 5 2[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]T 74 24 31 30/64 4/11 10/13 4 7 16 7[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]AVG 24.7 8 10.33 46.9% 36.4% 76.9% 1.33 2.33 5.33 2.33[/FONT]Because like the old timers have said, because if you're a great shooter in today's game, it's that much easier for you and that you can be more physical in the Finals, Curry just can't play his regular game. The Warriors are going to win because they are so deep but Curry can't play well when it gets physical.All I know is that even if the Warriors win, this would be second time Curry doesn't get Finals MVP.
Yup Curry has played in 7 Finals games and we're ready to judge him. Cool story brah. Statistical significance is just something that is made up I heard. :biggrin:
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Curry isn't playing in the Olympics because he has been to 2 back-to-back finals and has been banged up. Being hurt isn't the same as injured.
2015 Finals MVP: Finding some contrarian homer to support Curry is just changing the narrative. He was definitely NOT the MVP last NBA finals. Your selection of stats is very selective and void of actual game relevance (Iguodala coming off the bench and then starting sparked the GSW when they were down 1-2). Like a 4pt play for Curry in a 30 pt route some way justifies how poorly he has played?
I wouldn't argue James is having a great finals (hardly) but since you have it so hard for averages and rate stats for the 2016 finals:
Code:[FONT=Courier New]CURRY[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]G Pt A R FG 3PT FT BLK STL TO PF[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]G1 11 6 5 4/15 3/8 0/0 0 0 5 2[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]G2 18 4 9 7/11 4/8 0/0 1 0 4 4[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]G3 19 1 2 6/13 3/9 4/4 0 1 6 4[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]T 48 11 16 17/39 10/25 4/4 1 1 15 10[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]AVG 16.0 3.66 5.33 43.5% 40.0% 100% 0.33 0.33 5 3.33[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New] [/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]JAMES[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]G Pt A R FG 3PT FT BLK STL TO PF[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]G1 23 9 12 9/21 2/4 3/4 1 2 4 2[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]G2 19 9 8 7/17 1/5 4/4 1 4 7 3[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]G3 32 6 11 14/26 1/2 3/5 2 1 5 2[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]T 74 24 31 30/64 4/11 10/13 4 7 16 7[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]AVG 24.7 8 10.33 46.9% 36.4% 76.9% 1.33 2.33 5.33 2.33[/FONT]
The differential between James and Curry in 2016 is per game 8.7 pts, 4.33 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block per game more than Curry while shooting better from the field. So if you want to go by pure average stats, like you did for Iguodala and Curry, James is crushing Curry. Just like last finals, where you argue Curry should have been the MVP--you do realize James outdid Curry last season in the finals by about, per game, 10 pts, 8 rebounds, and 2.5 assists?
Oh noes, but James didn't have a 4 pt play!
Like I said I am not arguing James is having a great finals, but based on the line you chose to defend Curry over Iguodala it is clear for the 2nd year in a row James > Curry.
Curry Blinders
CLEVELAND -- Imagine this: What if a certain basketball player -- let's call him LeBron James -- came out in a Finals game and completely laid an egg with everything on the line.
Imagine that this fictional basketball player (let's call him LBJ for short) missed six of his first seven shots in such a game, got beat for a backdoor layup in the opening minutes, and looked generally disengaged and disconnected. Imagine that by the time he scored his second basket, his team was trailing by 19 with 5 1/2 minutes left in the second quarter.
Oh, and imagine his team lost by 30 points.
This LeBron guy would've been eviscerated, regardless of how many championships or MVP trophies he'd won. He would've been accused of failing to show up when his team needed him most.
So the question is, does this happen to Stephen Curry now?
Probably not. But it should.
Curry, the two-time reigning MVP, was awful in Game 3 of the NBA Finals on Wednesday night. He was barely here. He was so bad that coach Steve Kerr had to take him off the floor outside of his usual substitution pattern to give him a pep talk and make sure he was OK.
"I would've done the same thing," Curry said after he scored only 19 points on 6-for-13 shooting in the Warriors' 120-90 loss to the Cavs
Stephen Curry was just terrible in this game. He finished with 19 points and for a stretch in the fourth found his three point shot again, but he was 3-of-9 from deep overall. He started slow, with just two points in the first half. More troublesome was his six turnovers on the he. And his poor defense, which Cleveland attacked all night (and got him in foul trouble). Things were so bad for Curry that at one point that Kerr benched him for Shaun Livingston.
“He did not start the game well,” Kerr said. “Turned it over, got beat back door, and he was not his usual self. Now, it happens sometimes. I mean, that’s what everybody was saying about them the last two games."
It was the Cavaliers starters that won them this game. Kyrie Irving had 16 points in the first quarter and 30 for the game, LeBron had 32, and Smith added 20. It literally was just them — through three quarters the Cavaliers bench had zero points.
Which brings us to another narrative that for a night took a hit. This notion that Steph is impenetrable.
Not so.
Not yet.
After a poor Game 1 outing in which he went 4 for 11 and scored just 11 points, Curry finished Wednesday night's game with 19 points on 6-of-13 shooing. Don't let those numbers fool you. He was abysmal. He had just two points through the first half, by which point, despite letting a 20-point lead slip to eight, the Cavaliers had the game well in hand and their mojo back.
Winning an NBA championship is hard, and so are the standards that come with climbing to the top of this mountain. The further up you go, the looser the footing -- the slipperiness of huge expectations, larger and more intense spotlights, fiercer competition from jealous adversaries who want what you have, and even the formative challenge of being measured as much by history as by the present day.
Fair? Life's not fair. And stardom has its price to pay.
Prior to the start of this series, Curry had never scored fewer than 20 points in consecutive playoff games. He's now failed to hit the 20-point mark three consecutive times, all in this series.
Dating back to last year, Curry has had three very poor outings in nine Finals games and has been, by his standard, great in only one (Game 5 last year) -- a fact, as with LeBron, that will be wholly remembered or forgotten based on ultimately winning or losing. Two of those bad games have come in this series, as the reigning and unanimous Most Valuable Player. The other was a 5-for-23, 19-point outing in Game 2 of last year's championship run that you probably don't remember or care about because the Warriors won it all.
If we compare Curry to any of the big greats, how often does he take over games when needed? Has he done anything but wilt in the finals? Has he actually had a performance that was truly noteworthy outside of him on a 3 hot streak? How many last shot or flu game or broken ankle performance has Curry had? GOAT? Not even close. Maybe exceptional at one thing and on a good enough team to win games.
Last year in the finals Curry got owned by Dellavedova in a single game, sure it was only 1 game. But imagine Jordan getting owned by Rambis in the finals, even once? lol. \
Steph gets passes for every shitty game he has, James will get critiqued for playing badly for a 10 minute stretch.
Because Curry hasn't had a game with 7 TO's yet like Lebron's Game 2 stinker. Lebron only decided to show up when he was backed into a corner.Didn't open the article, but think there was something on ESPN earlier with a title along the lines of why isn't Curry getting Lebron type criticism for consecutive stinkers.
And James got owned by the entire warriors team last year. Shooting 33%FG while taking 347829078913 shots doesn't mean you're good. It means you're going to lose and after this year he'll be 2-5 in the Finals because he doesn't know how to inspire and lead a group with the talent to win. He will only show up to defend his home court but wilt in usual lebron fashion on the road. You can complain all you want about the warriors blowouts on the road but they won at OKC when it mattered most. Hell even OKC did the improbable and won at Oracle. Lebron won't get any respect unless he can win at Oracle as well.Last year in the finals Curry got owned by Dellavedova in a single game, sure it was only 1 game. But imagine Jordan getting owned by Rambis in the finals, even once? lol. \
Steph gets passes for every shitty game he has, James will get critiqued for playing badly for a 10 minute stretch.
Conveniently you refuse to answer why Curry crushed Lebron in 82 games this year in PER which has nothing to do with cumulative stats.More lebron blinders and wall o' text
Conveniently you refuse to answer why Curry crushed Lebron in 82 games this year in PER which has nothing to do with cumulative stats.
It's obvious the MCL is still an issue, players don't drop from 31 PER to below the league average of 15 overnight. Use your brain. Why do you think Steve Kerr is asking Steph if he's ok in Game 3? Just because he's having a slightly bad quarter? lmao, no because there is concern about the knee. Like Haberstroh said, if Curry's on the floor everyone expects him to be the 31 PER Curry. The reality is that he's clearly not physically able to be that player right now and something he has admitted. Otherwise he would be planning to pad his legacy with an Olympic gold medal to boot.
Someone can't read.Oh, he pretty much did that last year in the playoffs.
And he'll do it again next year if he's healthy enough to play a season.