2018 NBA playoff's

[QueBert]

With Lebron carrying the whole team without support from his teammates, I think GSW can easily steal this one from them.

Easily? 1 bad and 1 iffy call against the Cavs in the last 90 seconds of the game a missed FT by an 82%er that would have put them up AND Smith with maybe the most bone headed move in finals history. And GS still only managed to make it an OT game. What happened happened, but take away any one of those 4 things and it's 1-0 Cavs.

I understand on paper GS is a much better team, but they won by luck against a team where only 2 people played worth mentioning. And the Cav's 3rd highest scorer was the one who blew the game.

They should have suspended thompson if that was green he would have been suspended. Green suspended on 2016(?) caused the warriors the championship

Using that logic, Green should have been suspended in the conference finals that year, him not being suspended against OKC (2 really really bad calls) is pretty much the only reason GS won. Imagine if he had been suspended. We might have seen the Cavs Vs. OKC in the finals, and Durant probably wouldn't have bailed to join the Warriors. And who knows who would be in the finals from the west this year? If you think about it Green's 2 intentional nutt shots that went unpunished changed the Western conference forever.

 

[Ackmed]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...-lebron-james-block-charge-correct/665294002/

Aside from the block-charge ruling, the report also said that Draymond Green should have been called for a foul against James with 12 seconds remaining before George Hill got to the free throw line. With the score tied 107-107, the report also said Green should have been called for a lane violation on Hill's second free throw that led to J.R. Smith's gaffe.

The entire fiasco of Smith should never have happened, and Hill should have had another free throw.

"The crew was not reasonably certain whether James was in the restricted area after an offensive foul was called against Durant," the report's explanation said. "Upon replay review, it was confirmed that James was outside the restricted area. The referees also reviewed whether James was in a legal guarding position, which is an additional reviewable matter for this replay trigger. Replay showed James was not in a legal guarding position."

That is so dumb, it hurts. He was CLEARLY outside, not even close. Thats like reviewing football play where a ref claims he was out of bounds, only to call a pass interference afterwards when he was deemed clearly in-bounds.

Terrible last 2 minutes for the refs. Cavs surely imploded, they had help too though.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

He didn't do it intentionally, it was an accident. That's why it wasn't deemed flagrant.

Have you watched Draymond Green play? He went up with his arm extended. What exactly was he intending to do with his hand?

 

[homebrew2ny]

I sometimes wonder if some posting in this thread even watch the actual games, and not just talk show spoon fed highlights...

There were many things that happened in the game, for and against both teams that could have changed things. No sence focusing on the last couple...

Also, I am sick of everyong saying the Cavs have a shitty team. Many teams would kill to have Love and Korver, both deadly sharp shooters. Not to mention Nance, who should be a starter, but I digress...

Maybe if LeBron did a better job getting his team engaged and less time trying to "carry" them, then they would not be in a position to lose because of a bad call or bone head play at the end.

Another thing, the Cavs played game 1 about as well as they could, and LeBron had one of the best finals games ever played. Despite that, they got beat by a very average/below average game from Golden State. GS did not win that game, the Cavs lost it.

The Cavs came out in OT knowing that they cant win, defeated and flat. GS finally stepped it up a bit and demolished them.

There is zero chance the Cavs will win a single game and LeBron is just going to have to get use to being the Jim Kelly of Basketball...

 

[QueBert]

James carries the team because he has to, he passes plenty, but what can you do when people like Smith routinely will shoot like 3-15. Kover can be great but he's pretty old and not consistent, and Love's all over the place too. I remember 4 seasons ago when Love & Irving were out after a game a reporter asked James how he felt about Smith going 1-14 (or something bad like that) he said, I want him to take 14 shots again in the next game. He has a bit too much faith in his teammates imho. While his team doesn't suck, without him I have doubt they could even make the playoffs.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

There is zero chance the Cavs will win a single game and LeBron is just going to have to get use to being the Jim Kelly of Basketball...

How many titles does Kelly have again?

 

[eng2d2]

Have you watched Draymond Green play? He went up with his arm extended. What exactly was he intending to do with his hand?

Have you seen LJ plays he swings his arms offensively. Practically shoving people out of his way. Greens foul (eye) happens A lot in basketball. I am not sure if he did that intentionally or not.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Have you seen LJ plays he swings his arms offensively. Practically shoving people out of his way. Greens foul (eye) happens A lot in basketball. I am not sure if he did that intentionally or not.

Yes, using your off arm to create separation is common. Green doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. Just watch the replay. Right arm goes up, left hand goes straight out to his face.

https://youtu.be/hcwzduKosYw

 

[madoka]

If you're familiar with this meme:

Here's the JR Smith version:

 

[homebrew2ny]

How many titles does Kelly have again?

How many finals has he lost? When the arc of history comes complete on his legacy, he will be known, among other things, for how many he lost, not how many he won. My point still stands.

 

[homebrew2ny]

James carries the team because he has to, he passes plenty, but what can you do when people like Smith routinely will shoot like 3-15. Kover can be great but he's pretty old and not consistent, and Love's all over the place too. I remember 4 seasons ago when Love & Irving were out after a game a reporter asked James how he felt about Smith going 1-14 (or something bad like that) he said, I want him to take 14 shots again in the next game. He has a bit too much faith in his teammates imho. While his team doesn't suck, without him I have doubt they could even make the playoffs.

I dont all together disagree here, but you can lead your team and still use/engage them. The time it takes (ball in hand) for LJ to have a great game, prettymuch eliminates the ability for his team to really produce. And there is a big difference between passing the ball and running playes meant for others on the team.

Any time I have seen James get his teamates engaged early on, they almost always had fun, scored, and easily won. His team, for better or worse, is a direct reflection of his leadership.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

How many finals has he lost? When the arc of history comes complete on his legacy, he will be known, among other things, for how many he lost, not how many he won. My point still stands.

Your point is what exactly? That history will remember LeBron the same way it does Jim Kelly? People will forget the 3 titles he got, including one in sports hell Cleveland? Yeah, good luck with that hot take.

 

[homebrew2ny]

Your point is what exactly? That history will remember LeBron the same way it does Jim Kelly? People will forget the 3 titles he got, including one in sports hell Cleveland? Yeah, good luck with that hot take.

My point is pretty clear, he will without question be remembered as a perennial finals loser, as well as one of the games greatest talents. Much like Jim Kelly... Stop being a LJ truther, and recognizes the reality of what had/is taking place. Winners win most of the time, losers lose most of the time. With regards to LJ and the finals, what basket does he belong in?

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Winning titles is hard. Ask the hundreds of great athletes that never won anything. If you think history won't be kind to LeBron you are fucking delusional.

 

[eng2d2]

Yes, using your off arm to create separation is common. Green doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. Just watch the replay. Right arm goes up, left hand goes straight out to his face.

https://youtu.be/hcwzduKosYw

Correct it’s normal but shoving everyone every time the ball bounce is ridiculous. Not the way basketball is played when I was in hs. I can’t speculate greens intention but hitting someone on the face intentionally will get the referee attention including the opponent. LJ didn’t really react besides going down after incident because this happens a lot during games

 

[homebrew2ny]

Winning titles is hard. Ask the hundreds of great athletes that never won anything. If you think history won't be kind to LeBron you are fucking delusional.

I think you are misunderstanding me, and letting your man cruch for LeBron skew your delicate sensibilities. Of course history will be kind to him, he will go down as a top 5 player ever. But when it is all said and done, it will not be outlandish to think he will have lost 7 or 8 finals.

If you think that will not be a bullet point with regards to his historical context, then you are delusional.

 

[purbeast0]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you trying to say it would be better for Lebron's legacy if he went to the finals 3 times and won all 3 times, versus going there 11 times, winning 3 times, and losing 8?

 

[homebrew2ny]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you trying to say it would be better for Lebron's legacy if he went to the finals 3 times and won all 3 times, versus going there 11 times, winning 3 times, and losing 8?

Yes, I believe he would fair better being 3-0, rather than 3-8 or so. When it comes to true champions , winners, they find a way most of the time.

 

[purbeast0]

Yes, I believe he would fair better being 3-0, rather than 3-8 or so. When it comes to true champions , winners, they find a way most of the time.

So you're saying that if he wasn't good enough to get past the eastern conference finals 8 times getting eliminated in the smies and could only do it 3 times, he is better than if he made it to the finals 11 times?

Okay...

 

[brianmanahan]

So you're saying that if he wasn't good enough to get past the eastern conference finals 8 times getting eliminated in the smies and could only do it 3 times, he is better than if he made it to the finals 11 times?

Okay...

yeah, this logic does not compute

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

So you're saying that if he wasn't good enough to get past the eastern conference finals 8 times getting eliminated in the smies and could only do it 3 times, he is better than if he made it to the finals 11 times?

Okay...

Exactly my confusion. He must be a Toronto or Washington fan.

I think you are misunderstanding me, and letting your man cruch for LeBron skew your delicate sensibilities. Of course history will be kind to him, he will go down as a top 5 player ever. But when it is all said and done, it will not be outlandish to think he will have lost 7 or 8 finals.

If you think that will not be a bullet point with regards to his historical context, then you are delusional.

Right, a top 5 NBA player of all time will be compared to Jim Kelly. Nobody will give a shit how many times he lost in the finals. His number 1 asterisk is the lack of titles, not number of losses. And I can't believe I have to explain this, but 3-0 is not better than 3-5 (prob 6 after this year).

 

[purbeast0]

Exactly my confusion. He must be a Toronto or Washington fan.



Right, a top 5 NBA player of all time will be compared to Jim Kelly. Nobody will give a shit how many times he lost in the finals. His number 1 asterisk is the lack of titles, not number of losses. And I can't believe I have to explain this, but 3-0 is not better than 3-5 (prob 6 after this year).

I'm a Washington homer in all sports and his logic doesn't make sense. We're pretty educated here in the DC area so I'm doubting he's a Washington fan.

I just find it amusing he came in here making the "do you all even WATCH games or just highlights" post on his high horse then starts spewing this nonsense that makes no sense.

 

[eng2d2]

Warriors came to play!!! Wanted to show everyone the first game was not a lucky win.

 

[dasherHampton]

Let's not get carried away here.

Lebron is a great player but his streak of going to the finals means nothing. Zero.

The NBA Eastern conference is the weakest conference in pro sports history by a fairly wide margin and some of it is Lebron's doing. When you take two of the top three players in a conference and put them on a team with the conference's other top-three player what do you think is going to happen?

I'm sure Lebron thought the Heat were shoe-ins to go to the championship series for 8-10 years in a row, That's why he did that ridiculous "Not one, not two, not three.... etc" thing.

 

[tynopik]

that Curry kid is pretty good