2023 Hyundai Ioniq 6 EV sedan

herm0016

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are you sure that was not an april fools joke?

damn, I really like some of their new stuff but this is hideous. looks like a 90s "car of the future" at the Detroit autoshow.
 

Kaido

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are you sure that was not an april fools joke?

I really like the interior:



I'll have to see it in person before making a judgement call. It's not terrible-looking at some angles:



The thing that throws me off is the side window behind the C-pillar:



It's like it melted...but in a depressed way. It reminds me of a sad clown:

 

Kaido

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Straight Pipes did a 5 vs. 6 video. Think I like the 5 a lot better:


The size & design differences are STARK!

 

herm0016

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Yes, I like the look of the 5 much better.

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almost looks like a stretched 1970-1980s era 911 without the headlight bumps.
 
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Kaido

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are you sure that was not an april fools joke?
I like how manufacturers are doing lots of weird designs with their new EV platforms. My current favorite is actually the Kia EV6. My neighbor has both a Mach-E & an EV6 and I really like how the EV6 looks next to it! Random pics from google:



 
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Kinda mad it's faster than an Ecoboost Mustang 0 to 60 in 5.1 seconds. 240 or 361-mile battery. 5 seats. $42k to $58k. AWD.
As "fun" as super fast 0-60 times can be, I'd prefer if they cap them at some reasonable level. 1) It's better for the battery life, and 2) it's better for the safety of everyone around them because a lot of drivers suck at driving.

Also crazy to see the battery sizes in these compared to the trucks rolling off the line: the 'standard' and 'extended' basically amount to 2-3 F150 extended range batteries. We're going to burn any electric future to the ground with monstrous vehicles that manufacturers have convinced Americans that they "need".
 
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Kaido

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As "fun" as super fast 0-60 times can be, I'd prefer if they cap them at some reasonable level. 1) It's better for the battery life, and 2) it's better for the safety of everyone around them because a lot of drivers suck at driving.

Also crazy to see the battery sizes in these compared to the trucks rolling off the line: the 'standard' and 'extended' basically amount to 2-3 F150 extended range batteries. We're going to burn any electric future to the ground with monstrous vehicles that manufacturers have convinced Americans that they "need".

Yeah...the Tesla Plaid is available with a 0 to 60 time of 1.99 seconds from the factory, and the new Dodge 170 is 1.66 seconds.

I don't know how well electric will ever take off in reality. I love the concept, and I have a pre-order in for a Cybertruck because I refuse to get an EV with less than 500 miles of range (minus cold weather, minus efficiency drops, minus real-world usage, etc...I need that buffer for my anxiety lol), but until they can magically fix the capacity (the new high-speed chargers are doing a pretty good job time-wise!), it limits where you can go & what you can do (ex. 50% range loss when towing, plus the hassle of figuring out where to park your boat or trailer to reach the charging cable at public chargers).

I think if they were more EV infrastructure (i.e. charging stations as ubiquitous as gas stations), and if electric vehicles were cheaper, that'd be a different story. Tesla is supposedly working on their "cheap" EV, which could be a turning point for adoption. Plus, their latest vehicles on the latest superchargers can do 200 miles in 15 minutes, which is pretty incredible! Although I can fill up my car from empty in under 3 minutes & I get impatient even waiting THAT long, so...lol.
 

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Haha Tesla working on a cheap vehicle? It'll take some time, but EV infrastructure is coming. And "blue" states will likely get it faster than others.

I could be wrong, but the swoopy lines somewhat resemble Mercedes design language. The coefficient of drag is a very slippery 0.21! The back feels like a weird riff of Porsche?

The Ioniq 5 is an interesting design; too bad it comes with bent doors.
 

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It's interesting from the windscreen till last centimeter but in front of that they f@#d up... Ugly. And interior is nice

But this week had my car for maintenance and saw there a Mustang-E GT red. Yummm... And the price put me down imediatly. 85k euro. Sheeehs
 
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Yeah...the Tesla Plaid is available with a 0 to 60 time of 1.99 seconds from the factory, and the new Dodge 170 is 1.66 seconds.

I don't know how well electric will ever take off in reality. I love the concept, and I have a pre-order in for a Cybertruck because I refuse to get an EV with less than 500 miles of range (minus cold weather, minus efficiency drops, minus real-world usage, etc...I need that buffer for my anxiety lol), but until they can magically fix the capacity (the new high-speed chargers are doing a pretty good job time-wise!), it limits where you can go & what you can do (ex. 50% range loss when towing, plus the hassle of figuring out where to park your boat or trailer to reach the charging cable at public chargers).

I think if they were more EV infrastructure (i.e. charging stations as ubiquitous as gas stations), and if electric vehicles were cheaper, that'd be a different story. Tesla is supposedly working on their "cheap" EV, which could be a turning point for adoption. Plus, their latest vehicles on the latest superchargers can do 200 miles in 15 minutes, which is pretty incredible! Although I can fill up my car from empty in under 3 minutes & I get impatient even waiting THAT long, so...lol.
On-the-road EV charging is needed, but most people aren't making regular trips of >250 miles; plus, the real cost savings comes with at-home charging, thanks to the rate premiums charging stations charge. How far are you regularly driving that <500 miles leads to range anxiety? At 500 miles, I'd have to drive 7-8 hours and that would take me from Boston to Niagara Falls with ~30 miles to spare.

Granted, there are always going to be exceptions for vehicles needs and uses, but I think a lot of people suck at making critical decisions about the vehicles they buy (hence, the $1000/mo car payments that are becoming regular occurrences), confusing "wants" and "needs".

It's a real shame that we don't have better infrastructure to get people modest distances like we could do 100 years ago. Instead, we sold our souls completely to sprawl and the automobile. And now these bigger and heavier vehicles just serve as a feedback loop for others to get big heavy vehicles to feel "safe".
 

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On-the-road EV charging is needed, but most people aren't making regular trips of >250 miles; plus, the real cost savings comes with at-home charging, thanks to the rate premiums charging stations charge. How far are you regularly driving that <500 miles leads to range anxiety? At 500 miles, I'd have to drive 7-8 hours and that would take me from Boston to Niagara Falls with ~30 miles to spare.

Granted, there are always going to be exceptions for vehicles needs and uses, but I think a lot of people suck at making critical decisions about the vehicles they buy (hence, the $1000/mo car payments that are becoming regular occurrences), confusing "wants" and "needs".

It's a real shame that we don't have better infrastructure to get people modest distances like we could do 100 years ago. Instead, we sold our souls completely to sprawl and the automobile. And now these bigger and heavier vehicles just serve as a feedback loop for others to get big heavy vehicles to feel "safe".

The ~300 mile range for electric cars has always been a turn-off for me...although, truthfully, I rarely drive that far in a single trip. OCCASIONALLY, we make the drive down to California...about 900 miles each way. 300 mile range would require me to stop and charge fully at least twice each way...and I generally only stop once for a hotel, somewhere around Redding (about 600 miles from my house) on the way down, or Roseburg on the way back. (about halfway) With the fast "superchargers," If I could get a full charge in less than 30 minutes...that would be doable, IMO...however, From Hyundai:

EPA-estimated 303 mile driving range for 2023 IONIQ 5 SE/SEL/Limited RWD; 266 mile driving range for IONIQ 5 SE/SEL/Limited AWD; and 220 mile driving range for IONIQ 5 SE RWD (Standard Range)

I live in a part of the state that gets SOME snow and ice during the winter, a sh*t-ton of rain all year, and the roads suck at best. (mostly windy, hilly 2 lane highways) I would want the AWD version...limiting the car to (at best) 220 miles per charge.
 

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On-the-road EV charging is needed, but most people aren't making regular trips of >250 miles; plus, the real cost savings comes with at-home charging, thanks to the rate premiums charging stations charge. How far are you regularly driving that <500 miles leads to range anxiety? At 500 miles, I'd have to drive 7-8 hours and that would take me from Boston to Niagara Falls with ~30 miles to spare.

Granted, there are always going to be exceptions for vehicles needs and uses, but I think a lot of people suck at making critical decisions about the vehicles they buy (hence, the $1000/mo car payments that are becoming regular occurrences), confusing "wants" and "needs".

It's a real shame that we don't have better infrastructure to get people modest distances like we could do 100 years ago. Instead, we sold our souls completely to sprawl and the automobile. And now these bigger and heavier vehicles just serve as a feedback loop for others to get big heavy vehicles to feel "safe".

The mileage advertised is "ideal circumstances".

Real-world numbers are extremely mixed:

1. Driving EV's at highway speeds reduces range by 5 to 15%

2. Cold temperatures, using the heater, and using the seat warmers can reduce the range by as much as 50%

3. Using A/C on a hot day can reduce range up to 17%

4. Towing cuts the range in half

5. EV chargers have issues:

a. They are more ubiquitous now, but not as easy to find as gas stations. You typically have to go out of your way to find them.
b. Sometimes they are broken
c. Sometimes the stalls are full & you have to wait
d. Charging next to someone can reduce the charging speed
e. The fastest charging I'm aware of is the upcoming RAM 1500 EV, which does an amazing 110 miles in 10 minutes. If you can find the latest Tesla Supercharger & have a newer-model Tesla EV, they can do 200 miles in 15 minutes, which is incredible. However, I timed my ICE vehicle at 2 minutes and 30 seconds to refill an empty tank. I've been on trips in friend's EV's & even 10 minutes can feel like an incredibly long time when you're sitting there waiting haha

For my particular situation:

1. For Tesla, there's only one repair facility in my state & it's an hour away, which means a 2-hour round-trip, plus shop visit time (estimate an hour for the line, paperwork, check-in, etc.) or having to wait for a tow truck & then arranging for a rental vehicle.

2. My current rental doesn't have the ability to add EV charging, so I'd either have to (1) move, or (2) rely entirely on public chargers, meaning I'd miss out on "topping off" every night at home, which to me is one of the biggest benefits of owning an EV, especially as an "around town" grocery-getter vehicle

3. I drive upwards of 2 hours a day for work (mostly highway, but sometimes sitting in traffic depending on the time of day), as I have clients all over the state & sometimes have to visit multiple sites a day, in temperatures from -14F to 105F in my state, and always have either the A/C or heater & seat warmer on; I'm not willing to compromise personal comfort for range

In America, we drive about 40 miles per day on average, so for most people, even a standard 200-mile range would provide plenty of buffer for normal driving; trips could be planned out or an ICE vehicle could be rented for road trips. There's the new RAM 1500 EV, which has a range of 500 miles, but I didn't have a great experience with the brand in the past, so I'll hold out for the Cybertruck lol. I've traveled with friends & coworkers in various EV's over the years (all models of Tesla, Nissan Leaf, BMW i3, Honda Fit EV, etc.) & none of the ranges are anywhere near what they advertise in normal, real-world conditions, so you have to make sure the particular EV with the specific range fits your unique set of circumstances, which in my case, would making having a 500-mile battery alleviate my range anxiety, haha!
 

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Supposedly!

I'll believe it when I see it. To be fair, yesterday's price cut has finally brought back the mythical $35k Model 3.
$35k in 2018 is about $42k today. Thanks, Joe Biden! < /s>

But I'll flat out guarantee you'll never see a $25k brand-new Tesla compact car, or $40k CyberTruck. When they release an affordable BEV, at best it starts at around $30k. I'd be surprised if the single motor CT costs $50k or less.
 

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I'll believe it when I see it. To be fair, yesterday's price cut has finally brought back the mythical $35k Model 3.
$35k in 2018 is about $42k today. Thanks, Joe Biden! < /s>

But I'll flat out guarantee you'll never see a $25k brand-new Tesla compact car, or $40k CyberTruck. When they release an affordable BEV, at best it starts at around $30k. I'd be surprised if the single motor CT costs $50k or less.

They will literally sell a million Cybertrucks if they can price the base model at $39k.

There's no way it would ever happen tho! I mean, maybe, if they can automate the process & decide to sell it at that price, but we all know we have to take Musk's claims with a grain of salt lol.
 

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They will literally sell a million Cybertrucks if they can price the base model at $39k.

There's no way it would ever happen tho! I mean, maybe, if they can automate the process & decide to sell it at that price, but we all know we have to take Musk's claims with a grain of salt lol.
They will sell plenty of CT's at $50k, that is when they eventually release the single motor variant. 2027 sounds about right?
 

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The Iconic 5 is interesting. Sadly, the closest dealership is ~100 miles from me.
We drove over to Tacoma on Sunday the 30th to look at an Iconic 5. Not a bad car, drove fairly well, (zippy as hell) but still felt kind of...cheaply made. Still, we talked to their sales team. IF I could get a decent deal and trade for my truck...I was willing to give it a shot.
Nope. They wouldn't dicker a dime on the sticker price...and lowballed the hell out of my on my trade.
I thanked them for their time and left. Went to the local Volvo dealership to check out the C40 (helluva deal) and the XC40. (decent deal, but not as good) Sadly, the doorways into the cars are just too short for me...even with the seats adjusted all the way down and back.
Drove an XC60...wife loved it...I can tolerate it...got a GOOD deal on the trade for my truck. After a couple of hours of computer failure on the dealership's system...we drove home last night in a brand-new 2023 Volvo XC60 AWD. Not a bad car...gas mileage for the trip was a bit over 31mpg.
 
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