Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

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When a "Biden voter" is praising Trump's mental and physical fitness it might be good journalistic practice to see if they are full of shit.

NYT should have a dozen Zoomers on the payroll doing nothing but mining social media to see if the paper's reporters are being too easy of marks.


Awww shit, its #walkaway all over
 
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fskimospy

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Very smart online leftists: Trump can't be worse than Biden concerning Israel. There is no difference.

Actual Trump:

The idea that we should sabotage Democrats for being insufficiently liberal and therefore elects Republicans is built on confusing logical grounds. They seem to be saying that by working to make all the things they care about dramatically worse that this will eventually lead to something better? Is this an underpants gnome thing?

I would love to understand this. As far as I can tell it is:
1) Make Trump win
2) Things in America get a lot worse
3) ???
4) Democratic Socialists take over the Democratic Party and win power

This seems to neglect that if Trump wins we might never have another free and fair election and even if we did why would the Democrats shift towards DSA? I can tell you that Republicans would LOVE to make this trade, banking huge policy/ending democracy wins now with the idea that maybe in four years you can have this fight again.
 

K1052

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The idea that we should sabotage Democrats for being insufficiently liberal and therefore elects Republicans is built on confusing logical grounds. They seem to be saying that by working to make all the things they care about dramatically worse that this will eventually lead to something better? Is this an underpants gnome thing?

I would love to understand this. As far as I can tell it is:
1) Make Trump win
2) Things in America get a lot worse
3) ???
4) Democratic Socialists take over the Democratic Party and win power

This seems to neglect that if Trump wins we might never have another free and fair election and even if we did why would the Democrats shift towards DSA? I can tell you that Republicans would LOVE to make this trade, banking huge policy/ending democracy wins now with the idea that maybe in four years you can have this fight again.

The people saying stuff like that also say the temp ceasefire would not be a good thing. Questioning the motives of this sub group seems like fair game because they care more about tilting the party further left in the US than they actually care about anything happening in Gaza. Whatever they think furthers their political goals is good apparently including another Trump presidency (even if the logic is totally nuts).
 

brycejones

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The idea that we should sabotage Democrats for being insufficiently liberal and therefore elects Republicans is built on confusing logical grounds. They seem to be saying that by working to make all the things they care about dramatically worse that this will eventually lead to something better? Is this an underpants gnome thing?

I would love to understand this. As far as I can tell it is:
1) Make Trump win
2) Things in America get a lot worse
3) ???
4) Democratic Socialists take over the Democratic Party and win power

This seems to neglect that if Trump wins we might never have another free and fair election and even if we did why would the Democrats shift towards DSA? I can tell you that Republicans would LOVE to make this trade, banking huge policy/ending democracy wins now with the idea that maybe in four years you can have this fight again.
I have enjoyed the reports of the Trump campaign reaching out to activists in the SE Michigan Muslim community and supposedly those activists taking them seriously.

Trumps record as far as supporting Palestinians is horrid beyond belief it’s mind boggling stupid to me for anyone in that community to take him seriously.
 
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hal2kilo

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Just calling him a rapist every day would be a decent start.
The twice impeached, twice successfully sued for defamation resulting from a rape, once successfully sued for fraud approaching a 500 million settlement, and facing 91 felony charges for Jan. 6 and the mishandling and stealing of highly classified government documents, should just roll off the tongue from all Democrat surrogates when referencing the world's threat to democracy.
 
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MrSquished

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I'm starting to realize that the pseudo-intellectual Democratic base are like Vulcans. They lack emotional substance when it comes to certain integral things. They don't attempt to connect with people who are severely impacted emotionally by an ethnic cleansing and genocide but rather just from a purely logical perspective. Which is essentially dismissive of their actual valid feelings. Never a thought about - how could they possibly feel this way, how are they invested in this, so we can perhaps understand and then talk on a more equal level.

In order to get them to a logical place you have to be able to actually have empathy in the first place. But it seems these pseudo-intellectual Vulcans lack this basic function.
 
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The idea that we should sabotage Democrats for being insufficiently liberal and therefore elects Republicans is built on confusing logical grounds. They seem to be saying that by working to make all the things they care about dramatically worse that this will eventually lead to something better? Is this an underpants gnome thing?

I would love to understand this. As far as I can tell it is:
1) Make Trump win
2) Things in America get a lot worse
3) ???
4) Democratic Socialists take over the Democratic Party and win power

This seems to neglect that if Trump wins we might never have another free and fair election and even if we did why would the Democrats shift towards DSA? I can tell you that Republicans would LOVE to make this trade, banking huge policy/ending democracy wins now with the idea that maybe in four years you can have this fight again.
Unless my memory fails me, isn't this essentially what Ralph Nadar said about being accused of playing spoiler in the 2000 election? That Bush or Gore were both bad for America and he was hastening the revolution?


I have enjoyed the reports of the Trump campaign reaching out to activists in the SE Michigan Muslim community and supposedly those activists taking them seriously.

Trumps record as far as supporting Palestinians is horrid beyond belief it’s mind boggling stupid to me for anyone in that community to take him seriously.
I don't disagree with you, but the GOP's entire electoral strategy is contingent upon Americans voting against their own self-interest. So while they aren't making a specific strategic play here for Muslim Americans in MI, it's not any different than anything else they do to fool 70M rubes every four years.

Besides, it's not even about Trump flipping a Muslim vote, which obviously is ludicrous.* What if a substantial number of Muslim voters in Michigan choose to stay home in November?

* And even if that's ludicrous, the facts show that Trump picked up minorities from 2016 to 2020 (just not enough to offset lost support from whites). He also mopped up in South Florida, which seems pretty wild also. It's a broken record by now, but never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.
 

fskimospy

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Unless my memory fails me, isn't this essentially what Ralph Nadar said about being accused of playing spoiler in the 2000 election? That Bush or Gore were both bad for America and he was hastening the revolution?
He said something similar about them both being equally bad, yep! 20 year old me bought it like an idiot too. After 2000 I vowed I would never do that again and I haven't. While I would love our system to change to ranked choice so you could vote for your favorite candidate without helping your least favorite, until it does my choice is clear.
I don't disagree with you, but the GOP's entire electoral strategy is contingent upon Americans voting against their own self-interest. So while they aren't making a specific strategic play here for Muslim Americans in MI, it's not any different than anything else they do to fool 70M rubes every four years.

Besides, it's not even about Trump flipping a Muslim vote, which obviously is ludicrous.* What if a substantial number of Muslim voters in Michigan choose to stay home in November?

* And even if that's ludicrous, the facts show that Trump picked up minorities from 2016 to 2020 (just not enough to offset lost support from whites). He also mopped up in South Florida, which seems pretty wild also. It's a broken record by now, but never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.
Southern Florida has a lot of Cubans, who while identified as Hispanic in demographics, tend to be significantly to the right of the average Hispanic voter.
 

hal2kilo

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He said something similar about them both being equally bad, yep! 20 year old me bought it like an idiot too. After 2000 I vowed I would never do that again and I haven't. While I would love our system to change to ranked choice so you could vote for your favorite candidate without helping your least favorite, until it does my choice is clear.

Southern Florida has a lot of Cubans, who while identified as Hispanic in demographics, tend to be significantly to the right of the average Hispanic voter.
All you have to do is say Democrats are socialists to them.
 

brycejones

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Unless my memory fails me, isn't this essentially what Ralph Nadar said about being accused of playing spoiler in the 2000 election? That Bush or Gore were both bad for America and he was hastening the revolution?



I don't disagree with you, but the GOP's entire electoral strategy is contingent upon Americans voting against their own self-interest. So while they aren't making a specific strategic play here for Muslim Americans in MI, it's not any different than anything else they do to fool 70M rubes every four years.

Besides, it's not even about Trump flipping a Muslim vote, which obviously is ludicrous.* What if a substantial number of Muslim voters in Michigan choose to stay home in November?

* And even if that's ludicrous, the facts show that Trump picked up minorities from 2016 to 2020 (just not enough to offset lost support from whites). He also mopped up in South Florida, which seems pretty wild also. It's a broken record by now, but never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.
South Florida is old school anti-castro Cubans, they tend to be pretty hard right. Their children are starting to vote differently though.
 
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K1052

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Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

This is what people suspected for a while since she was not collecting signatures or raising money. Remarkable how she burned down her own political career for no reason at all besides being deluded.
 
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