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[jonks]

No, show her this: Spare the rod, spoil the child

Meaning

The notion that children will only flourish if punished, physically or otherwise, for any wrongdoing.

Origin

From the Bible, Proverbs 13-24 (King James Version):

He that spareth his rod hateth his son.

"See honey, I have to hit you because the bible says so. I don't want to hit you, but if I don't do what the bible says, I'd be a bad father right?."

"Hm, daddy, maybe we can read from a different book tonight?"

"Are you sure honey?"

"yeah, the bible sounds mean."

WIN!

Or awake her dormant feminism:

http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/bible_female.html

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: sao123
denominations are not different religions. There are minor differences between them, but nothing which would invalidate one against another. They all believe the same thing.

Wrong; try again.

yeah, some denominations of christianity have very different beliefs, especially when it comes to literal vs liberal interpretation of the bible.

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: Stiganator
She is only 4 so it is difficult to explain the complexities of religion to her. I have told her that there are many different religions with many different gods i.e. Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, etc. I'll ask her why she says some of the things she says and she says because it is the bible. I told her that some people believe everything in the bible and other people think it tells us stories that teach us how to be nice to each other.

How do you handle a situation like this? How do I prevent brainwashing and keep her mind open?

I think that you have little choice but to roll with it. Christianity in itself and in its core, is fine as a religion -- I find it not inconsistent with other religions. You don't have to be a global scholar in order to be respectful of others, and you can certainly do that within a Christian religion, if you follow it honestly. There were many instances where Christ preached tolerance of others; to look at your own flaws before damning others; to study the bible in the heart before limiting yourself to the words of an old religion.

There is not much that can be done about mindless dogma, when the adherent is entrenched in it and especially when led to believe that the faith requires it, and that that faith itself is necessary for heaven. There is however plenty of material within the bible itself for counteracting such dogma, and IMO, that's the right approach -- when the spirit at the core in the bible and in the example of the life and acts of the Christ are followed, we don't have a problem with mindless self-aggrandizing dogma, chauvinism and cult-egoism.

 

[Modelworks]

Don't worry about it, she is 4.

To all those who only believe in science and what it can explain. I guess you don't believe in love either, or that anyone you love is just chemicals in the brain, there is nothing more to it ?

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Don't worry about it, she is 4.

To all those who only believe in science and what it can explain. I guess you don't believe in love either, or that anyone you love is just chemicals in the brain, there is nothing more to it ?

Emotions and such, yes, are the result of electrochemical action in the brain. It's similar to bonding behavior observed in animals, except it's extrapolated up due to our intelligence. We assign the state of mind the term: Love. And there's plenty of physical evidence for the presence of that state.


My idea with a lot of humanity is, "Get over yourselves."
We're a bunch of primates with big brains, not some amazing, perfect life forms created by some divine entity. We eat like animals. We sleep like animals. We mate like animals. We fight like animals. We die like animals. Saying "god" made us doesn't make it all go away, and make us magical entities. If we want to think of ourselves as superior, it's up to us, not some contrived deity, to make that a reality.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Don't worry. There's no better way to make someone an atheist than to push religion on them when they're young.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Don't worry about it, she is 4.

To all those who only believe in science and what it can explain. I guess you don't believe in love either, or that anyone you love is just chemicals in the brain, there is nothing more to it ?

Emotions and such, yes, are the result of electrochemical action in the brain. It's similar to bonding behavior observed in animals, except it's extrapolated up due to our intelligence. We assign the state of mind the term: Love. And there's plenty of physical evidence for the presence of that state.

If that is what you believe then I truly feel sorry for you

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
If that is what you believe then I truly feel sorry for you

So what, it's not like it changes the nature of the experience.

It's just going back to the whole "get over ourselves" thing.
Geez, we even created this concept of a "soul" to attempt to differentiate ourselves from animals, some magical thing that lives on forever. It's a psychological maneuver to make us seem immortal. "I can never die, because a mystical part of me will always be alive! Haha! Take that, death!"

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Don't worry about it, she is 4.

To all those who only believe in science and what it can explain. I guess you don't believe in love either, or that anyone you love is just chemicals in the brain, there is nothing more to it ?

*sigh*

No one BELIEVES in science, it's not a religion, it requires no faith and no belief, don't try to drag it down to the level of religion because it doesn't belong there.

It's clinically proven that love is just chemicals in the brain, that might not satisfy your romantically found ideals of wonders but it does just fine in your brain anyway.

You see, the ideas you propose through religion doesn't really change any of the facts that are testable, it's the same way in your brain whether you believe in the truth or not.

Personally, indoctrination of children is an evil concept by any definition i can find, the only reason they started with babies and upbringing was because they knew that if children weren't indoctrinated from birth they would never believe suck ridiculous ideas as a man in the sky whose son is himself and a talking snake who talks a woman made out of a rib to eat an apple to condemn all of humanity because of the first sin.

I mean, SERIOUSLY, David Blane is far more convincing than God ever has been.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Don't worry about it, she is 4.

To all those who only believe in science and what it can explain. I guess you don't believe in love either, or that anyone you love is just chemicals in the brain, there is nothing more to it ?

Emotions and such, yes, are the result of electrochemical action in the brain. It's similar to bonding behavior observed in animals, except it's extrapolated up due to our intelligence. We assign the state of mind the term: Love. And there's plenty of physical evidence for the presence of that state.


My idea with a lot of humanity is, "Get over yourselves."
We're a bunch of primates with big brains, not some amazing, perfect life forms created by some divine entity. We eat like animals. We sleep like animals. We mate like animals. We fight like animals. We die like animals. Saying "god" made us doesn't make it all go away, and make us magical entities. If we want to think of ourselves as superior, it's up to us, not some contrived deity, to make that a reality.

Everytime I mention this, I get bashed in real life.

Something along the lines of "You think humans are animals?" Why yes, yes I do. Of course, there are also other variations, but you get the idea.

And "love" is instinctual. Horomones created when your brain thinks that it sees a person that would make the most healthy babies.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Don't worry about it, she is 4.

To all those who only believe in science and what it can explain. I guess you don't believe in love either, or that anyone you love is just chemicals in the brain, there is nothing more to it ?

Emotions and such, yes, are the result of electrochemical action in the brain. It's similar to bonding behavior observed in animals, except it's extrapolated up due to our intelligence. We assign the state of mind the term: Love. And there's plenty of physical evidence for the presence of that state.


My idea with a lot of humanity is, "Get over yourselves."
We're a bunch of primates with big brains, not some amazing, perfect life forms created by some divine entity. We eat like animals. We sleep like animals. We mate like animals. We fight like animals. We die like animals. Saying "god" made us doesn't make it all go away, and make us magical entities. If we want to think of ourselves as superior, it's up to us, not some contrived deity, to make that a reality.

Everytime I mention this, I get bashed in real life.

Something along the lines of "You think humans are animals?" Why yes, yes I do. Of course, there are also other variations, but you get the idea.

And "love" is instinctual. Horomones created when your brain thinks that it sees a person that would make the most healthy babies.

Not by me.

Your entire life is nothing more than a series of chemical imbalances in your brain.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
And "love" is instinctual. Horomones created when your brain thinks that it sees a person that would make the most healthy babies.

Cool. Tell that to any girl you're getting serious with.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Don't worry about it, she is 4.

To all those who only believe in science and what it can explain. I guess you don't believe in love either, or that anyone you love is just chemicals in the brain, there is nothing more to it ?

*sigh*

No one BELIEVES in science, it's not a religion, it requires no faith and no belief

You have never been involved in research then. It requires a great amount of faith and belief. Especially theoretical physics.

It's clinically proven that love is just chemicals in the brain, that might not satisfy your romantically found ideals of wonders but it does just fine in your brain anyway.

No it is not clinically proven. It is theorized.

You see, the ideas you propose through religion doesn't really change any of the facts that are testable, it's the same way in your brain whether you believe in the truth or not.

I proposed no religion.

Personally, indoctrination of children is an evil concept by any definition i can find, the only reason they started with babies and upbringing was because they knew that if children weren't indoctrinated from birth they would never believe suck ridiculous ideas as a man in the sky whose son is himself and a talking snake who talks a woman made out of a rib to eat an apple to condemn all of humanity because of the first sin.

Indoctrination ? I'm not sure what you are referring to. I mentioned no such things.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
And "love" is instinctual. Horomones created when your brain thinks that it sees a person that would make the most healthy babies.

Cool. Tell that to any girl you're getting serious with.

You and me baby
Ain't nothin' but mammals
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel

 

[KaOTiK]

From a kids perspective the Bible must be kind of cool. All those stories of about stuff like a kid beating a giant to a giant boat ride with lots of animals.
Heck, I gotta say it is one of the better fictional books out there considering it's age. Don't get me wrong, it's no Where the Wild Things Are though.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
And "love" is instinctual. Horomones created when your brain thinks that it sees a person that would make the most healthy babies.

Cool. Tell that to any girl you're getting serious with.

You and me baby
Ain't nothin' but mammals
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel

Can't lions have sex like 15 times a day?

And next girl I meet, I'll try telling her that. I'll post results

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Can't lions have sex like 15 times a day?

And next girl I meet, I'll try telling her that. I'll post results

I have never really gotten around to investigating the sex lives of most animals.


DrPizza's fainting goats sure do make certain things quite easy though......wait, did I type that?
Dammit!

Originally posted by: KaOTiK
From a kids perspective the Bible must be kind of cool. All those stories of about stuff like a kid beating a giant to a giant boat ride with lots of animals.
Heck, I gotta say it is one of the better fictional books out there considering it's age. Don't get me wrong, it's no Where the Wild Things Are though.

I always loved hearing the stories of the Greek gods. Those were always entertaining.
And as I usually say, some day, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and any other of the associated religions, will take their place alongside the religions of Ra and Zeus, in the realm of ancient legends.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
And "love" is instinctual. Horomones created when your brain thinks that it sees a person that would make the most healthy babies.

Cool. Tell that to any girl you're getting serious with.

You and me baby
Ain't nothin' but mammals
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel

Can't lions have sex like 15 times a day?

And next girl I meet, I'll try telling her that. I'll post results

Do it BEFORE you hand her the money.

 

[fishjie]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
You have never been involved in research then. It requires a great amount of faith and belief. Especially theoretical physics.

uh no it doesn't. faith is basically believing what you are told, never questioning that, and clinging on to that set doctrine of beliefs dogmatically and unthinkingly. that is not the scientific method. instead, science always seeks to verify its theories. when some result challenges a theory, then that theory is MODIFIED.

here is a simple pic to demonstrate the difference:

http://www.acorscadden.com/wp-.../science_vs_faith.jpg

 

[SparkyJJO]

It never ceases to amaze me the amount of hatred against Christians on this board.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Videogames101 - I saw this in Anubis' sig, and I like it; as best as I remember it:

Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorn is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that she is pink; we logically know that she is invisible because we can't see her.

THAT doesn't make sense, but the invisible creator of everything that lives in the sky is perfectly reasonable.

So, go ahead and prove god exists, but wait, the bible basically defines god as unprovable, so your going on some book riddled with inaccuracies to base your entire way of life on.

That really is a convenient clause.
He exists, but you can't prove that he does, and trying to do so is blasphemy, for he thrives on faith.


There is no man behind the curtain! In fact, don't even try to look behind the curtain, or I'll kill you!
No man behind the curtain.



OP - it is a shame that some of the first things the fundamentalists like to do is teach the kids who they should hate.
"God is eternal, infinite love. But here's who he thinks you should hate: ......."

People won't enter the "suspension of disbelief" state if the thing you are pushing on them is half-way reasonable. The more outrageous, the better.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of hatred against Christians on this board.

It never ceases to amaze me that the religious don't get that people don't like others' beliefs crammed down their throat. I suspect that if this ceased, the hate would subside. Until then, expect it to continue and grow.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Take her to different religious institutions and let her meet kids whose parents believe in different religions. Assuming you aren't introducing her to complete brats, she may realize that people of different religions ain't so bad.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: hopeless74
tell her religion is just a path to God. there are many different ways to get there. eg, she goes to school, the road she takes to get there is the correct one for her. but the other children argue at school, that there path they take is the right one, and the others are wrong. one comes from the east, one from west etc.

all paths lead to God

something like that works for me

But, you're not supposed to lie to your kids.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of hatred against Christians on this board.

It never ceases to amaze me that the religious don't get that people don't like others' beliefs crammed down their throat. I suspect that if this ceased, the hate would subside. Until then, expect it to continue and grow.

Guess what, Pepe, you've got a LOT of people's beliefs crammed in your throat right this moment and if there's any religious ones there they're a small percentage. The fact that you see religion as the big evil means you've swallowed a lot of those other beliefs.