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[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of hatred against Christians on this board.

It never ceases to amaze me that the religious don't get that people don't like others' beliefs crammed down their throat. I suspect that if this ceased, the hate would subside. Until then, expect it to continue and grow.

Guess what, Pepe, you've got a LOT of people's beliefs crammed in your throat right this moment and if there's any religious ones there they're a small percentage. The fact that you see religion as the big evil means you've swallowed a lot of those other beliefs.

I've accumulated my views by observing what has actually around the world and throughout history. Many people I associate with are religious and have never done any cramming and I have never disrespected them.

So, if you're one of these crammers, you can keep at your prayers. It's your choice. Just keep them away from my kids.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of hatred against Christians on this board.

It never ceases to amaze me that the religious don't get that people don't like others' beliefs crammed down their throat. I suspect that if this ceased, the hate would subside. Until then, expect it to continue and grow.

Guess what, Pepe, you've got a LOT of people's beliefs crammed in your throat right this moment and if there's any religious ones there they're a small percentage. The fact that you see religion as the big evil means you've swallowed a lot of those other beliefs.

I've accumulated my views by observing what has actually around the world and throughout history. Many people I associate with are religious and have never done any cramming and I have never disrespected them.

So, if you're one of these crammers, you can keep at your prayers. It's your choice. Just keep them away from my kids.

You made a blanket statement villifying "the religious" and yet you know plenty of religious people who don't cram anything down your throat. So there are a few who do. There are also atheists and agnostics who cram stuff down our throats too. Why then was your post targetted at religious?

 

[szechuanpork]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
She is being taught the rights things already.

:beer:

just to reiterate and possibly butcher pascal on this apologetic point--what to you have to lose. if you bet on god and you are wrong then you die and thats that. if you are right you get to spend all of eternity watching classic movies and smoking bong hits.

if you bet that god does not exist and you are right you die and you are annhilated. if you are wrong you spend all of eternity watching mtv without pot.

i say the safe bet is on believing in god. c'mon everbody do it.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
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You made a blanket statement villifying "the religious" and yet you know plenty of religious people who don't cram anything down your throat. So there are a few who do.

I said that people I associate with. There are many who are over the top but that I don't associate with. This is only my experience. The percentages could be skewed as far as the general population. There are people where I live who have those ten commandment signs on their property all year long. This is very offensive but I haven't said anything. I live in the deep south, so this very fact in itself could be skewing things. I lived here when that alabama judge was slapped down about the ten commandments sculpture he had placed in a public building. That was a very important test.

There are also atheists and agnostics who cram stuff down our throats too.

Yes, I don't like this either. Their self-righteousness is distasteful. In fact it probably takes away from their arguments. It was this I had in mind when I made the previous statement "I suspect that if this ceased, the hate would subside". Notice I used the word suspect instead of the more affirmative "they would cease" since I can't speak for everyone.

Why then was your post targetted at religious?

Well, firstly, the topic title is "Children and Religion".

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It's the inconsistencies and oppressiveness of the evangelistic religious that is most offensive. There are those who spout that they believe every word of the bible. Which bible? Which interpretation or translation? Seemingly innocuous questions that are always blown off. And then there's the conventions the old men in funny hats have every few hundred years were they decide to change things, "to clarify what was meant", for the followers. They can't even get the basic premise right and yet they're adamant in you believing what they say.

So I guess what all this boils down to is that I have no trust or faith in the motivations of the evangelical religious.

 

[YoungGun21]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of hatred against Christians on this board.

Not christians, organized religion in general.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: szechuanpork

Originally posted by: Jumpem
She is being taught the rights things already.

:beer:

just to reiterate and possibly butcher pascal on this apologetic point--what to you have to lose. if you bet on god and you are wrong then you die and thats that. if you are right you get to spend all of eternity watching classic movies and smoking bong hits.

if you bet that god does not exist and you are right you die and you are annhilated. if you are wrong you spend all of eternity watching mtv without pot.

i say the safe bet is on believing in god. c'mon everbody do it.

Go to Heaven: "Hey God, what's up. I believed in you because I wanted to take the safe route through life. So, is that like, good enough to get in?"

"......
Wannabe. Get out."

*freefall to Hell*

Live a good life. If you do it without believing in God, so be it. He should look at the merits of who you are, not the one overriding issue, "Oh, you didn't give me full credit for the existence of everything. Buh bye!" Doing so is vain and petty - human attributes, things I would hope a powerful deity would be beyond.

 

[IEC]

Even the Chinese (PRC) use the Bible as a source of moral education.

While I believe she should make up her own mind later, for now it is a good foundation for moral development.

 

[seemingly random]

The christian bible in itself is quite a racy novel.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: szechuanpork

Originally posted by: Jumpem
She is being taught the rights things already.

:beer:

just to reiterate and possibly butcher pascal on this apologetic point--what to you have to lose. if you bet on god and you are wrong then you die and thats that. if you are right you get to spend all of eternity watching classic movies and smoking bong hits.

if you bet that god does not exist and you are right you die and you are annhilated. if you are wrong you spend all of eternity watching mtv without pot.

i say the safe bet is on believing in god. c'mon everbody do it.

On what basis can you assert that the only two choices are between YOUR god and no god?

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
She is being taught the rights things already.

Well, not all of the right things. She also needs to be taught percentages so she can calculate how much to give to the church.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Why then was your post targetted at religious?

Well, firstly, the topic title is "Children and Religion".

That's funny because I don't recall you ever hopping into any atheist or agnostic threads to criticize them.

It's the inconsistencies and oppressiveness of the evangelistic religious that is most offensive.
There are those who spout that they believe every word of the bible. Which bible? Which interpretation or translation? Seemingly innocuous questions that are always blown off. And then there's the conventions the old men in funny hats have every few hundred years were they decide to change things, "to clarify what was meant", for the followers. They can't even get the basic premise right and yet they're adamant in you believing what they say.

So I guess what all this boils down to is that I have no trust or faith in the motivations of the evangelical religious.

*Yawn* You sound like every other person who decided before they put any of the time in to learning about religion, exactly what their ultimate decision was going to be. I can tell you this, people way smarter than you have looked at the exact same information and interpretted it very differently which seems to be your implication......that nobody as intelligent as you could be religious.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: szechuanpork

Originally posted by: Jumpem
She is being taught the rights things already.

:beer:

just to reiterate and possibly butcher pascal on this apologetic point--what to you have to lose. if you bet on god and you are wrong then you die and thats that. if you are right you get to spend all of eternity watching classic movies and smoking bong hits.

if you bet that god does not exist and you are right you die and you are annhilated. if you are wrong you spend all of eternity watching mtv without pot.

i say the safe bet is on believing in god. c'mon everbody do it.

Einstein said it well, belief in a personal god is childish. He saw God in the beauty of the universe. While I admire his genius, he was obviously one of the ~95% of people with the "God gene". The world around us doesn't require a god to explain it.

OP - you can stop porking whackos, but I guess the damage is done. Anything you say to the kid will be buried underneath the crap the ex is spewing to her 24/7. Schools have come a long way, except in Kansas, and of course there's TV, radio and the internet. Hopefully you don't live in Kansas, and the world around her makes your daughter question things as she grows rather than blindly accept.

 

[idiotekniQues]

but what about chicken and religion?

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Even the Chinese (PRC) use the Bible as a source of moral education.

While I believe she should make up her own mind later, for now it is a good foundation for moral development.

Source? I hadn't heard about this before.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Why then was your post targetted at religious?

Well, firstly, the topic title is "Children and Religion".

That's funny because I don't recall you ever hopping into any atheist or agnostic threads to criticize them.

[/quote]They're not trying to force changes on me through legislation. In general, I find it unpleasant pointing out a person's peccadilloes but, for you, I'll make an exception.

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: seemingly random
It's the inconsistencies and oppressiveness of the evangelistic religious that is most offensive.
There are those who spout that they believe every word of the bible. Which bible? Which interpretation or translation? Seemingly innocuous questions that are always blown off. And then there's the conventions the old men in funny hats have every few hundred years were they decide to change things, "to clarify what was meant", for the followers. They can't even get the basic premise right and yet they're adamant in you believing what they say.

So I guess what all this boils down to is that I have no trust or faith in the motivations of the evangelical religious.

*Yawn* You sound like every other person who decided before they put any of the time in to learning about religion, exactly what their ultimate decision was going to be. I can tell you this, people way smarter than you have looked at the exact same information and interpretted it very differently which seems to be your implication......that nobody as intelligent as you could be religious.

On the contrary, I used to believe the standard stuff (presbyterian) before I had more information. If you're implying that I think you're religious and that I think religious people are stupid, then I guess you're trying to prove a point I didn't intend to make.

I do understand though. I had a favorite teddy bear when I was little and would have rebelled vociferously if anyone would have suggested that the conversations we had were not real. Thankfully, teddy never suggested, even subtly, that I should hate the other bears. Think there'd be any resistance or outrage or teddy bear hate if I lobbied congress to require that people start worshiping teddy bears?

Notice that I changed religious to evangelical religious? See, you can make a difference.

There are exceptions everywhere. I use ms-ie7 with the ie7 pro add-on and when I typed worshipping above, the neat little included spell checker pointed out my mistake. Could have sworn that last letter should be doubled. Darn english.

Jesus, took me a while to unscrew the quotes, try to be a little more careful in the future.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Even the Chinese (PRC) use the Bible as a source of moral education.

While I believe she should make up her own mind later, for now it is a good foundation for moral development.

Source? I hadn't heard about this before.

WTF. Is the Chinese using the Bible as a source of morality supposed to be some kind of endorsement of the moral lessons it contains?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: szechuanpork

Originally posted by: Jumpem
She is being taught the rights things already.

:beer:

just to reiterate and possibly butcher pascal on this apologetic point--what to you have to lose. if you bet on god and you are wrong then you die and thats that. if you are right you get to spend all of eternity watching classic movies and smoking bong hits.

if you bet that god does not exist and you are right you die and you are annhilated. if you are wrong you spend all of eternity watching mtv without pot.

i say the safe bet is on believing in god. c'mon everbody do it.

You're assuming (and it's a really big assumption) that "God" is even remotely as you imagine it to be. What if "God" is female, and really pissed off that you think she's male? What if there really is more than one God? What if the ancient Greeks were right, and there's a whole pantheon of them?

"If you bet on God and you are wrong, then you die and that's that."

That's a really stupid argument, because then you're betting everything on a hypothetical afterlife that you really have no idea as to whether or not it even exists. Potentially, you could have lived a much different and possibly better life if you lived it for yourself rather than for some hypothetical invisible old man in the sky.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Why then was your post targetted at religious?

Well, firstly, the topic title is "Children and Religion".

That's funny because I don't recall you ever hopping into any atheist or agnostic threads to criticize them.

They're not trying to force changes on me through legislation. In general, I find it unpleasant pointing out a person's peccadilloes but, for you, I'll make an exception.
[/quote]
What are you talking about? Adding creationism in schools as an optional explanation? What other laws are stripping you of your rights and forcing you to believe in God? That's right, none.

Even if this country was founded on Christian beliefs, which it was, those beliefs dictate that man must choose God of his own free will........not be forced to believe it. So the very idea of forcing belief is decidedly not a Christian one.

I'm not sure why you feel like such a victim, but I'm thinking you've chosen the wrong villain for your life.

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: seemingly random
It's the inconsistencies and oppressiveness of the evangelistic religious that is most offensive.
There are those who spout that they believe every word of the bible. Which bible? Which interpretation or translation? Seemingly innocuous questions that are always blown off. And then there's the conventions the old men in funny hats have every few hundred years were they decide to change things, "to clarify what was meant", for the followers. They can't even get the basic premise right and yet they're adamant in you believing what they say.

So I guess what all this boils down to is that I have no trust or faith in the motivations of the evangelical religious.

*Yawn* You sound like every other person who decided before they put any of the time in to learning about religion, exactly what their ultimate decision was going to be. I can tell you this, people way smarter than you have looked at the exact same information and interpretted it very differently which seems to be your implication......that nobody as intelligent as you could be religious.

On the contrary, I used to believe the standard stuff (presbyterian) before I had more information. If you're implying that I think you're religious and that I think religious people are stupid, then I guess you're trying to prove a point I didn't intend to make.

I do understand though. I had a favorite teddy bear when I was little and would have rebelled vociferously if anyone would have suggested that the conversations we had were not real. Thankfully, teddy never suggested, even subtly, that I should hate the other bears. Think there'd be any resistance or outrage or teddy bear hate if I lobbied congress to require that people start worshiping teddy bears?

Notice that I changed religious to evangelical religious? See, you can make a difference.

There are exceptions everywhere. I use ms-ie7 with the ie7 pro add-on and when I typed worshipping above, the neat little included spell checker pointed out my mistake. Could have sworn that last letter should be doubled. Darn english.

Jesus, took me a while to unscrew the quotes, try to be a little more careful in the future.

As I stated above. There's no better way to breed an agnostic or atheist than to raise somebody Christian. You're typical.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: szechuanpork

Originally posted by: Jumpem
She is being taught the rights things already.

:beer:

just to reiterate and possibly butcher pascal on this apologetic point--what to you have to lose. if you bet on god and you are wrong then you die and thats that. if you are right you get to spend all of eternity watching classic movies and smoking bong hits.

if you bet that god does not exist and you are right you die and you are annhilated. if you are wrong you spend all of eternity watching mtv without pot.

i say the safe bet is on believing in god. c'mon everbody do it.

You're assuming (and it's a really big assumption) that "God" is even remotely as you imagine it to be. What if "God" is female, and really pissed off that you think she's male? What if there really is more than one God? What if the ancient Greeks were right, and there's a whole pantheon of them?

"If you bet on God and you are wrong, then you die and that's that."

That's a really stupid argument, because then you're betting everything on a hypothetical afterlife that you really have no idea as to whether or not it even exists. Potentially, you could have lived a much different and possibly better life if you lived it for yourself rather than for some hypothetical invisible old man in the sky.

Kind of like trying to reverse a global warming we're not even sure we caused?

Also, that's a misunderstanding. I've lived a Godly life and have never wanted for pleasure or enjoyment or fun. I HAVE avoided a lot of things that have made people who led their life with no guidelines very miserable.....alimony, child support, STDs, addiction, etc. So you could say by living my life according to the Bible I've technically lived my life for myself.

Just curious what you think you'd be missing out on by living a Godly life.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: szechuanpork
just to reiterate and possibly butcher pascal on this apologetic point--what to you have to lose. if you bet on god and you are wrong then you die and thats that. if you are right you get to spend all of eternity watching classic movies and smoking bong hits.

if you bet that god does not exist and you are right you die and you are annhilated. if you are wrong you spend all of eternity watching mtv without pot.

i say the safe bet is on believing in god. c'mon everbody do it.

Your 'just in case' faith is not good enough for God. God is not a fallback option like the University of Phoenix, just in case you don't get into Stanford.

You be doomed.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
What are you talking about? Adding creationism in schools as an optional explanation?

Actually, I wasn't thinking of creationism. I don't think about creationism at all except when I see it in these threads. If I was going to accuse someone of being stupid, you've brought up the best reason I can think of so far. It should not be offered even as an option. The very idea is insulting to a thinking person.

Even if this country was founded on Christian beliefs, which it was, those beliefs dictate that man must choose God of his own free will........not be forced to believe it.

God, you're sucked in. Religion is a ruse. Money is the real issue.

But a good line nevertheless. I wonder why more fundies don't adhere to it.

I'm not sure why you feel like such a victim, but I'm thinking you've chosen the wrong villain for your life.

Funny about this concept of victimization. I've thought that some of the fundies have tried to play this card themselves.

Villain. Interesting concept. I suppose the people behind the charade of religion should be considered villains.

As I stated above. There's no better way to breed an agnostic or atheist than to raise somebody Christian.

Now, this is interesting. What do you mean by this?

You're typical.

Typical? Now you've gone and hurt my feelings...

And you screwed up the quotes again. It really isn't that difficult. And please don't say you were blinded by the light.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: szechuanpork

Originally posted by: Jumpem
She is being taught the rights things already.

:beer:

just to reiterate and possibly butcher pascal on this apologetic point--what to you have to lose. if you bet on god and you are wrong then you die and thats that. if you are right you get to spend all of eternity watching classic movies and smoking bong hits.

if you bet that god does not exist and you are right you die and you are annhilated. if you are wrong you spend all of eternity watching mtv without pot.

i say the safe bet is on believing in god. c'mon everbody do it.

You're assuming (and it's a really big assumption) that "God" is even remotely as you imagine it to be. What if "God" is female, and really pissed off that you think she's male? What if there really is more than one God? What if the ancient Greeks were right, and there's a whole pantheon of them?

"If you bet on God and you are wrong, then you die and that's that."

That's a really stupid argument, because then you're betting everything on a hypothetical afterlife that you really have no idea as to whether or not it even exists. Potentially, you could have lived a much different and possibly better life if you lived it for yourself rather than for some hypothetical invisible old man in the sky.

Kind of like trying to reverse a global warming we're not even sure we caused?

Also, that's a misunderstanding. I've lived a Godly life and have never wanted for pleasure or enjoyment or fun. I HAVE avoided a lot of things that have made people who led their life with no guidelines very miserable.....alimony, child support, STDs, addiction, etc. So you could say by living my life according to the Bible I've technically lived my life for myself.

Just curious what you think you'd be missing out on by living a Godly life.

He said potentially. Also, don't think that "Godly" is the same as moral. Your idea of "Godly" happens to overlap to a large extent with modern moral norms. This is not the case for everyone. The difference is that we can live a moral life without the sexual hangups of religion. We don't need the guilt of having our very thoughts be subject to judgment from moment to moment. Some of us don't require the carrot-on-the-stick of Heaven (or Hell) to motivate us.

And who knows, maybe you've never experienced any of these things. Maybe your entire life was nothing but blissful, sublime religiosity, ignorant or oblivious of the bad aspects of belief and only cognizant of the good things. So in your case, perhaps you have missed out on nothing. But, as I said, this is not the case for everyone. Though, even if was, it would argue not at all for the truth value of religion.

 

[seemingly random]

Just curious what you think you'd be missing out on by living a Godly life.

Truth. But then this may be overrated.

 

[IGBT]

..secular progressives want to dismiss all notions of morality, act on animal instinct and do it in the road. good luck with the kid.

 

[mattocs]

No law against telling her that her mother has her head up her ass and that there is no god.