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DaveSimmons

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I already know I'm sensitive to microstutter - I had SLI 580s at one point. I just hope the tech has improved, and that my sensitivity to that particular phenomenon hasn't increased. And maybe I'll be OK when I'm able to sustain 60fps V-Synced - that should moderate things, right?

It sounds like you should buy a single Titan instead, then lower the resolution and settings as needed on a game by game basis to ensure a steady 60 fps.
 

3DVagabond

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That was my gut instinct right from the very beginning. What's probably going to happen now is that I'll sell one 780, and keep the second one, using the 'it's almost as good as the Titan' justification, but I'll always be kicking myself for not buying the Titan. The Titan was my dream card, I always said that if a card like it came out, I'd buy it right away. But it was just SO expensive over here. I used some kind of pseudo-commonsense to convince myself that the 780s would be better value and that 'they must have sorted out SLI by now'. Also, if the 780s had worked, that would have been the only chance for games like Crysis 3 and Last Light. There's no way I'm lowering IQ enough to make those games work 60fps on a single card. Now I'll just have to wait it out, hopefully in a few years there will be another flagship single card that can, and also better CPUs to support it (for all I know Crysis 3 might be CPU bound below 60fps 30% of the time on a 4770k...)

I'm sorry if you mentioned it already, but what res do you run? Can't one 780 handle it? I know you were wanting ultra performance and dual cards aren't cutting it, but likely a Titan won't make enough of a difference over a 780 for you to be completely happy either.

Maybe stay with a single 780 until 20nm? Maybe the new AMD drivers will actually fix their issues and you could try an AMD solution? Sapphire is going to be releasing a 7990 Atomic in a few weeks. I'm thinking that it might be in conjunction with the new drivers that are supposed to address MS. That's a possibility.
 

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Lifer
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I would think a single 780 would be fine.

Thanks for the offer, but 780 is out of my "realm of reason" price wise for a gpu. nVidia tax is crazy here.
 

Will Robinson

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Wait...now we have threads about SLI stutterfest too?
I thought only xfire stuttered...least that's what the team green boys have been using as this year's meme...
 

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Lifer
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Wait...now we have threads about SLI stutterfest too?
I thought only xfire stuttered...least that's what the team green boys have been using as this year's meme...

I understand where you're coming from, but Oubadah doesn't deserve to have his thread turned into a crapfest.
 

Keysplayr

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Wait...now we have threads about SLI stutterfest too?
I thought only xfire stuttered...least that's what the team green boys have been using as this year's meme...

Can you show us all here where anybody has ever said that only crossfire stutters? Oubudah is right. You're just stirring and you're not good for much else.
You know all multi gpu configurations have microstutter. You know xfire has a lot more than nvidia does. Yet you still feel obligated to post inflammatory crap like you did here all the time.
 

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Lifer
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Can you show us all here where anybody has ever said that only crossfire stutters? Oubudah is right. You're just stirring and you're not good for much else.
You know all multi gpu configurations have microstutter. You know xfire has a lot more than nvidia does. Yet you still feel obligated to post inflammatory crap like you did here all the time.

Any suggestions for the OP?
 

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Lifer
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I did now. My apologies. BUT you sympathize with him about something that doesn't exist.
You know, that team green says only xfire has microstutter? Is this true?

Do you have an issue with the topic? He's asked for advice. I'm sure you know more than I do about SLI. You've had SLI setups. Maybe you know something to help him?
 

bystander36

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You're stirring.

Yes, SLI has always stuttered. Only now it stutters significantly less than Crossfire, and Nvidia seem to be more motivated in doing something about it (not that I think there will be a complete resolution from either party for years).


The important thing is that in some games, sustained framerate and V-Sync completely resolves it. There is no stutter of any kind in UT3 at 120fps when the monitor is refreshing at 120Hz V-Synced. Why can't other engines be the same? Why can't CoD 5 do it? With a single card, V-Sync and 120fps, UT3 and CoD5 are equally smooth.

The SLI stutter with V-Sync is not microstutter* by the way, it's just stutter.

I did see something very much like microstutter in V-Synced Oblivion, but that was special circumstances (Gamebryo is a turd, and the Oblivion Stutter mod was active). Disabling SLI did, however, resolve it.

It sounds like you are just extremely sensitive to microstutter and may be best off with a single card. However, there is one thing you did not mention, which you could try.

Try turning off v-sync and uses a FPS limiter set just below your average FPS. Basically, this would be the fix AMD users recommend, and it may just work for Nvidia as well.
 

Lepton87

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As for Metro Last Light I just lowered the IQ settings from Very High to High and now the game is playable at 2560x1440. I don't notice a difference, really not even a tiny bit of a difference while I'm playing. I see a difference with SSAA enabled tough, but it's a real resource hog so for SSAA and Very High Quality I would need 3 Titans instead of one and I don't think I would be enjoying the game any more then I do now. I don't know why some people are so hell-bent on playing with the highest IQ. Sometimes the differences are very miniscule for more then a 50% reduction in FPS. I've always liked to have AA enabled, preferably SSAA, I could do that with 4 GPUs back in the day in some less demanding games like ME2, but now SSAA is just too costly to have 3x780$ for 3x780 where I live and it could still stutter.
 

Bill Brasky

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It sounds like you are just extremely sensitive to microstutter and may be best off with a single card. However, there is one thing you did not mention, which you could try.

Try turning off v-sync and uses a FPS limiter set just below your average FPS. Basically, this would be the fix AMD users recommend, and it may just work for Nvidia as well.

I think this is good advice to try. It may not make the OP happy, but it's certainly worth a shot before you sell off the second card.

PS. Some of you people are ridiculous, looking for any opportunity to thread crap and push your personal agenda.
 
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Lonbjerg

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It's a "fix" aka dosn't solve the probllem that some AMD users reccomd...but not "fix" AMD recoomends..
Hence their beta-latency driver.

BIG difference.
 

24601

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There is absolutely no way you are going to fix your admitted "stutter" instead of "micro-stutter" issues without setting max pre-rendered frames to 0 and OCing you CPU to max stable.

Stutter (as opposed to microstutter) with more power cards is usually caused by a CPU bottleneck and/or the presence of max pre-rendered frames at more than 0.

This is one of the main reasons I have a 3570k @ 4.5ghz and make sure that every game I play I force to max pre-rendered frames and context queue of 0.

Also, I've always found that the disconnect that results from enabling V-sync (bad) or frame limiting of any kind (not as bad) effects in any interactive medium my kinesthetic sense to such a degree that it causes other problems probably related to motion sickness.
 
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alcoholbob

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I think I've made a huge mistake. Out of the eight games I've tried on the 780s so far, only one of them has been playable. They exhibit various forms of stutter with V-Sync, and I've confirmed microstutter with it disabled (not that I would have played without V-Sync anyway). 'Smooth V-Sync' is useless, and SLI kills Adaptive V-Sync at Half Refresh, causing the screen to flicker.

The one game that runs absolutely flawlessly smooth with SLI and V-Sync is UT2004. Great. The one game where GPU horsepower was never ever going to be an issue.

The second best was Skyrim, but SLI kills HDR lighting, so that's the end of that.

What's worse is that even a single GTX 780 did not feel as smooth as the GTX 580 in certain games (including Skyrim).

In F.E.A.R, a single GTX 780 exhibits behavior that stinks of the GTX 680 etc. 'V-Sync Stutter Bug'.

What resolution are you playing at? Even a Titan is slower than a GTX 580 at 1080p at Skyrim. The game is heavily CPU dependant.
 

billyb0b

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i've resorted to beefy single cards too in lieu of going sli to get away from the stutter... did this about 4 years ago and plan on keeping it this way unless the stutter issue is solved
 
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