24'' Ips monitor..U2410?

[krippled]

I'm finally going to replace my old crt monitor for a lcd monitor, been looking at the Dell U2410.I've heard some have had issues with tint and response isn't to good. Anyone have experience with it? Any other recommendations?

Budget: +/- $500

Size: 24"

Prefer 16:10

Mainly used for watching movies, web browsing, and occasional gaming, but don't want to comprise too much on responsiveness.Like the U2410 for all the connections it has (ie. VGA, DVI-D, DisplayPort,HDMI, etc.), but looking for more options

Thanks Mike

 

[Plausible]

The HP ZR24W is apparently the last 16:10 24in IPS monitor with a standard gamut out there. $400 on Amazon. Unfortunately the support for wide gamut monitors like the U2410 is spotty and program specific so unless you have a specific program you want the monitor for and it supports wide gamut you're much better off with a standard gamut monitor. You won't get the sunburned faces and over saturated color weirdness.

Purchased two ZR24W in the last month. Fortunately I have no complaints. Very bright, sharp, excellent color, very sharp text. Tilt, swivel and height adjustment. IPS panel. I can recommend it without reservation and people who have seen them were impressed enough to inquire about the model or have ordered their own. I'm not a particular fan of HP, having lost 2 laptops to the Nvidia bump gate failure within 2 months of each other which they would not repair or support. However the ZR24W monitor seems quite nice for the price. If you are as frustrated with 16:9 panels as much as I am, there really is no other choice for general use and gaming anyway.

 

[C1]

When it comes to LCD - choose your poison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M86wNFTDTuo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slQEobY3WJw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc1Jqx_6ih0&feature=related

 

[C1]

BTW, I use the Dell FP1800. This out of print monitor is really phenomenal. If you look up used/refurbished ones, no one rates it less than five out of five stars.

I think what everyone would like is just a king sized version of FP1800 in 16:10 (with commensurate greater resolution). Why this seems to be so impossible is somewhat beyond me. If I had to guess, it is that older equipments simply were built better.

The latest stuff always involves cost cutting & compromise. That's why just about everything you see is 16:9/TN panel.

 

[GregoryWE]

As Plausible said, the issue of gamut is something to pay attention to. I'm looking at new monitors as well, and while I haven't ever used or seen a wide gamut monitor, I realize that even though I'm into photography, I'm still only going to be using sRGB. It sure sounds like having that wide gamut could be a headache and doesn't provide much benefit.

Now one thing to mention is that a lot of these monitors (like the 2410) have an 'sRGB' mode that the monitor can be set to, which shrinks the gamut down closer to sRGB through emulation. I have been unable to find out though if this is as good as a monitor that was sRGB to begin with.

I've specifically been looking at all the Dell monitors, including the 2311h, 2410, 2711, and 3011. There are three 23" sRGB IPS panels, including the 2311h, an NEC one, and a Viewsonic one. The HP ZR24W is the only 24" sRGB IPS panel.

 

[C1]

The issue with using any built-in sRGB mode is that you probably wont like it (ie, it's typical yellow cast). Also many sRGB mode implementations are not well done such as with HP's LP2475w (ie, tftcentral states that the sRGB seems to be totally ineffective; tft wonders why it's even there - what is the point?).

Most likely what you will end up by doing is "rolling your own" version of sRGB via USER Mode.

But with all of these monitors - sight unseen - are you prepared to accept the possibility of each and any of (to name a few):
- IPS Glow
- Backlight Bleeds
- Dead/Hot Pixels
- Electronics Squeal/Noise
- Image Lags/Ghosting
- Unresolvable Tinting Issues
- Screen/Color Non-uniformities
- Weird/Non-intuitive HCI/OSD

 

[krippled]

Yeah, I didn't know the issues with wide gamut screens. Since I won't be using the monitor for photography work, but more of a everyday use its prob not the best choice for me. I'll have to do some more research into the zr24w. I've been hearing alot of good things about the u2311h but the quality control on it is hit or miss.

 

[C1]

The issues I listed relate to purchase of any LCD monitor sight unseen via mail order.

Concerning "wide gamut", you should be able to use USER Mode to calibrate a wide gamut monitor to an acceptable sRGB. In fact tftcentral lists such custom type calibrations for various monitors in their "ICC profiles and Monitor Settings" database :
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm

 

[Dranoche]

I have a U2410 and am quite pleased with it. I use it regularly for gaming and have watched quite a few movies on it, and havent had any issues with saturation during the movies that some minor subjective manual tuning couldn't fix. Response is good though coming from a CRT you will probably notice some small delay for a few days. Had a small patch of pixels stuck on red with the first I got, exchange was easy, and the replacement hasn't had any issues. Uniformity is good, backlight bleeding is rarely serious enough to notice unless you go looking for it. If you're watching a movie in a dark room then the bleed will only likely be noticeable, if at all, during the darkest of scenes. I would consider myself to be sensitive to these issues and would recommend the U2410. From what I've read the U2410 doesn't have these issues in any abundance (never say never, some people still have), but between QC and revisions and the fact you have to mail order it you're still taking a chance.

I don't know anything about the ZR24w, stopped looking when I got my U2410, so won't comment on it. Unless the QC on the LP2475w has been vastly improved, I would stay away from it. We got one in the office where I work, and there's an obvious green tint in one corner and a red tint at the opposite corner, along with lighting uniformity issues. These problems with this monitor seem to be pretty commonplace.

 

[Continuity28]

Earlier builds of the U2410 had the issues you mentioned, but those were fixed a long time ago. The builds you find today won't have those issues.

My U2410 is amazing... if that helps. I use the "Game" preset mode for everything, and find that looks the most pleasing compared to the other presets, which seem to be a bit too saturated for my liking. sRGB is good too, but I prefer "Game".

I was also fortunate with mine, as it had no stuck/dead pixels and has a uniform backlight.

 

[manfaux]

i think the 2410 is your best buy, dell ultrasharps have never let me down

 

[PurdueRy]

The issues I listed relate to purchase of any LCD monitor sight unseen via mail order.

Concerning "wide gamut", you should be able to use USER Mode to calibrate a wide gamut monitor to an acceptable sRGB. In fact tftcentral lists such custom type calibrations for various monitors in their "ICC profiles and Monitor Settings" database :
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm

Those are certainly calibration settings and icc profiles...but that doesn't mean it calibrates to the sRGB standard. Calibrating generally leaves the color space native.

 

[XLNC]

i think the 2410 is your best buy, dell ultrasharps have never let me down

It's on Sale for $440 now, according to slickdeals.net. Is this a good price? I'm told these monitors go on sale quite often.

http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/457...-dell-u2410-24-ultrasharp-ips-lcd-monitor-440

 

[C1]

If you arent picky you might give it a try, but dont be surprised if you get someone else's reject or return. As for me, if/when I buy, it will be from a reputable place (like BH Photo) at pretty much the legitimate retail price. Seen enough tricks documented/reported in the user reviews.

 

[XLNC]

To C1, actually the sale is AT dell.com, but slickdeals.net is just giving the coupon code for it.

 

[waseemb]

i have just purchased the Dell u2410! and believe me i have extensively researched and viewed a lot of monitors. The u2410 is by far the best Monitor available in that price bracket. the colours, response time are all fantastic. Most people say it is a professional monitor etc for Graphic works blah blah...trust me, this is the best monitor available in this price range bar none!

 

[XLNC]

i have just purchased the Dell u2410! and believe me i have extensively researched and viewed a lot of monitors. The u2410 is by far the best Monitor available in that price bracket. the colours, response time are all fantastic. Most people say it is a professional monitor etc for Graphic works blah blah...trust me, this is the best monitor available in this price range bar none!

I just caved in and bought it too. 1200 vertical pixels, IPS panel, tilt-swivel-pivot stand = yes please! I have a feeling the next iteration of this monitor, U2411-12-13, could be 1080 instead. That's the #1 reason I went ahead and bought one now.

 

[Avogadro]

I bought one to go with my new Sandy Bridge system. It's fantastic! I won't need to get another LCD panel for a very very long time (as in something like 10 years: it's that's nice).

Which is a good thing because it's definitely not cheap. However, as other posters have said, it seems like high quality 1920x1200 monitors are a dying breed. If you can afford it, you might as well get while the getting's good.

 

[ebolamonkey3]

For me, it's a tossup between the U2410 and the ZR24W. The HP is a bit cheaper and brighter, the Dell has more connectivity and features.

 

[C1]

U2410 supposedly has better blacks and ZR24w lacks 1:1 scaling. My local computer shop says though that HP has (demonstrated at least to them) that their monitors have better/more reliable electronics (eg, built in power supply versus Dell stuff).

 

[RaistlinZ]

Granted, I'm using the 30" version, but I've had no issues with Dells sRGB mode. It's the mode I prefer in fact, as the Game, Adobe RGB, Movie, Warm, Cold modes all make colors look way off.

 

[Avogadro]

Granted, I'm using the 30" version, but I've had no issues with Dells sRGB mode. It's the mode I prefer in fact, as the Game, Adobe RGB, Movie, Warm, Cold modes all make colors look way off.

I came to the same conclusion after trying all the different modes out. The sRGB seemed the most balanced and natural to me, based on a combination of gaming, web surfing, and TV.

Wow can it get bright though. 50% brightness was dazzling, so I cranked it down to 20%. I use my computer in a low-light but not completely dark room, and sit fairly close.

 

[looper]

I have been very happy with my Dell u2410. It's been great for gaming, using 1920x1200 resolution with my Radeon 5870.

 

[Baasha]

So the sRGB mode is the best one to leave it on? I have the Dell U3011 and it's been on "Standard" mode all this time and everything looks great. I guess I'll try the sRGB mode but can someone explain why that is better than, say, the 'Game' mode?

Also, would getting 2 U2410s to go on the sides of the U3011 make a good setup for surround gaming?

 

[RaistlinZ]

I came to the same conclusion after trying all the different modes out. The sRGB seemed the most balanced and natural to me, based on a combination of gaming, web surfing, and TV.

Wow can it get bright though. 50% brightness was dazzling, so I cranked it down to 20%. I use my computer in a low-light but not completely dark room, and sit fairly close.

Funny you should mention the brightness. I run mine at 100% brightness, 60% contrast for general use. :twisted: For gaming and movies I turn down the brightness however.

I found the Standard setting to look similar to the Adobe RGB. Both of them produce what I would say is good color, just a lot more vivid than sRGB - which tends to be more natural looking, at least to me.