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Zaap

Diamond Member
Jun 12, 2008
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If the Republicans are dumb enough to repeal Obamacare...and to thus take uncontested ownership of the nation's health care problems...then let them go ahead.

Then when someone dies as a result of lack of health care...they can take the blame. Then when a private insurance company's death panel revokes a cancer patient's insurance resulting in death...the Republicans can take the blame.
Last thread it WAS a Republican plan- didn't you get the talking points memo? Now it's suddenly obamacare again!

No worries though, leftloons will blame Republicans for *anything* bad in healthcare, claim its all their idea... but the second anyone talks repeal it's instantly back to being 100% Dear Leader's most glorious and awesome gift bestowed upon the lowly citizens to solve all their healthcare problems.

Just like a good lil political team cheerleader. Go team!
 

bshole

Diamond Member
Mar 12, 2013
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Last thread it WAS a Republican plan- didn't you get the talking points memo? Now it's suddenly obamacare again!

No worries though, leftloons will blame Republicans for *anything* bad in healthcare, claim its all their idea... but the second anyone talks repeal it's instantly back to being 100% Dear Leader's most glorious and awesome gift bestowed upon the lowly citizens to solve all their healthcare problems.

Just like a good lil political team cheerleader. Go team!


By every available metric, ObamaCare has been proven successful. Rather than lay all the data out for you, I will direct you to them (see below). The fact that Republicans did NOT run against ObamaCare in this latest election cycle tells you all you need to know about it's success. Running against ObamaCare will be as popular as running against Social Security in a few more years. I can't over emphasize what a crowning achievement this was for Obama. It will make America a much much better place to live. It is something that will help conservatives as well as liberals. You, Zaap, will eventually benefit from it, whether you like it or not.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119623/obamacare-one-year-seven-charts-show-law-working
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
33,322
16,700
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By every available metric, ObamaCare has been proven successful. Rather than lay all the data out for you, I will direct you to them (see below). The fact that Republicans did NOT run against ObamaCare in this latest election cycle tells you all you need to know about it's success. Running against ObamaCare will be as popular as running against Social Security in a few more years. I can't over emphasize what a crowning achievement this was for Obama. It will make America a much much better place to live. It is something that will help conservatives as well as liberals. You, Zaap, will eventually benefit from it, whether you like it or not.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119623/obamacare-one-year-seven-charts-show-law-working

I doubt he will personally benefit from the ACA, he seems like the type to win a Darwin Award
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
15,591
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without Harry Reid pocket vetoing everything the House passes before it can even come up for a vote in the Senate, at the very least we should start seeing Senators actually voting on more than what to order for lunch.

Did you ever take a look at the content in some of Boehner's loonie-toones Tea Party approved legislation that was being passed over to the Senate? I don't blame Reid at all for doing what he did.
 

Matt1970

Lifer
Mar 19, 2007
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I put it back in.... herp-a-derp. I have an itchy trigger finger right now. I was convinced there was going to be a global ebola epidemic and pulled out then. When that didn't pan out like I thought I got back in. No biggie, I lost some money obviously but not enough to worry about.

The market growth can't continue unabated, I don't want 2008 to happen all over again to me.

Or did you shit a Twinkie when you figured out how much you would have to pay in taxes for early withdraw of a 401K?
 

Matt1970

Lifer
Mar 19, 2007
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3
0
By every available metric, ObamaCare has been proven successful. Rather than lay all the data out for you, I will direct you to them (see below). The fact that Republicans did NOT run against ObamaCare in this latest election cycle tells you all you need to know about it's success. Running against ObamaCare will be as popular as running against Social Security in a few more years. I can't over emphasize what a crowning achievement this was for Obama. It will make America a much much better place to live. It is something that will help conservatives as well as liberals. You, Zaap, will eventually benefit from it, whether you like it or not.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119623/obamacare-one-year-seven-charts-show-law-working

It's about your metrics....

Premiums in the marketplaces aren't rising quickly
Employer premiums also aren't rising quickly
“Winners” probably outnumbered “losers” in the new marketplaces.

Sure doesn't sound like what we were sold on, but as long as something goes through the goalposts wherever you put them we have a success right?

I stopped reading at the projections, cause, well, we all know projections are always spot on.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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Did you ever take a look at the content in some of Boehner's loonie-toones Tea Party approved legislation that was being passed over to the Senate? I don't blame Reid at all for doing what he did.

if it was all so terrible, why not bring the bills to the floor and let them get voted down?
 

Cozarkian

Golden Member
Feb 2, 2012
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By every available metric, ObamaCare has been proven successful. Rather than lay all the data out for you, I will direct you to them (see below). The fact that Republicans did NOT run against ObamaCare in this latest election cycle tells you all you need to know about it's success. Running against ObamaCare will be as popular as running against Social Security in a few more years. I can't over emphasize what a crowning achievement this was for Obama. It will make America a much much better place to live. It is something that will help conservatives as well as liberals. You, Zaap, will eventually benefit from it, whether you like it or not.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119623/obamacare-one-year-seven-charts-show-law-working

From your article we have:

and employers have held down costs, in part, by asking employees to pay more in out-of-pocket costs. But the inflation critics confidently predicted simply has not materialized.

So for at least one metric, the out-of-pocket costs to employees for employer-provided coverage, Obamacare has proven unsuccessful.

You may find a similar problem with the "Winners" v. "Losers" analysis. The Winners were defined as people with smaller premiums with no analysis of the quality of coverage compared to their prior plans. The article does point out that 68% of people in a survey rated their plans as good or better, but almost a third of people rated their plan poor or worse. In my book that is a failure, not a success. Further, the survey didn't have a result between good and poor. I'd wager people would error on the side of saying it is good (nobody wants to admit they chose a bad plan). If I'm correct, that 68% number would fall if people were given a choice to rate their plan as average or mediocre.
 
Oct 30, 2004
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Last thread it WAS a Republican plan- didn't you get the talking points memo? Now it's suddenly obamacare again!

The idea of an individual mandate was a Republican idea, that's correct. Because the Republicans steadfastly opposed socialized medicine, we ended up with the implementation of their idea as a stopgap measure.

Just because Obamacare is not a real solution to our nation's health care problems and only a small band aid on a gaping wound does not mean that the Republicans should be absolved of blame for the gaping wound they have perpetuated and failed to heal.

I believe that the Democrats also deserve blame for our nation's health care problems, just not nearly as much as the Republicans.

No worries though, leftloons will blame Republicans for *anything* bad in healthcare, claim its all their idea... but the second anyone talks repeal it's instantly back to being 100% Dear Leader's most glorious and awesome gift bestowed upon the lowly citizens to solve all their healthcare problems.
Where have I ever said that Obamacare is a good solution for our nation's health care problems?

Since you're such a rocket scientist, why don't you tell us your solution to our nation's health care system. Is it something like, "Don't be poor. Don't get sick and if you do get sick die quickly?"
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
87,561
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Can I ask why people think the number of bills left unaddressed by the other house is a good metric of...well...anything?

The House is ideologically extreme compared to the other two branches of government right now. That's a simple fact. Given the fact that they are extreme and that all you need is a simple majority in the house, of course they pass lots of legislation that everyone ignores.

Hell, the Senate immigration bill passed with 68 votes. Almost nothing of any consequence gets 68 votes in the Senate. What happened in the House? Nothing, because the House is to ideologically extreme to pass even bipartisan Senate legislation.
 
Nov 30, 2006
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Can I ask why people think the number of bills left unaddressed by the other house is a good metric of...well...anything?

The House is ideologically extreme compared to the other two branches of government right now. That's a simple fact. Given the fact that they are extreme and that all you need is a simple majority in the house, of course they pass lots of legislation that everyone ignores.

Hell, the Senate immigration bill passed with 68 votes. Almost nothing of any consequence gets 68 votes in the Senate. What happened in the House? Nothing, because the House is to ideologically extreme to pass even bipartisan Senate legislation.
ivwshane asked a question and I answered it.
 

raildogg

Lifer
Aug 24, 2004
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Yet the same problems will keep on going on - just like the last countless years. Yay. Party A won and Party B lost. Yet you and I are still the same.
 
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