2600K vs 970

[aphelion02]

Only an idiot needs 600GB of SSD, even considering the gaming argument. Just use a tool like steammover to swap out games from the HDD to the SSD when you need to play it. My 120GB SSD holds my OS, all frequently used apps, and I game all my games from it as well (and my game installs add up to way more than 120GB). Only media and infrequent applications stay on the HDD. I haven't felt the need for more SSD space at all, and this is coming from a person who needs 3 2TB drives for his data storage needs.

And yes, an SSD will have way more of a real world impact than 4 additional cores.

 

[Makaveli]

Only an idiot needs 600GB of SSD, even considering the gaming argument. Just use a tool like steammover to swap out games from the HDD to the SSD when you need to play it. My 120GB SSD holds my OS, all frequently used apps, and I game all my games from it as well (and my game installs add up to way more than 120GB). Only media and infrequent applications stay on the HDD. I haven't felt the need for more SSD space at all, and this is coming from a person who needs 3 2TB drives for his data storage needs.

And yes, an SSD will have way more of a real world impact than 4 additional cores.

The name calling isn't necessary, however I agree with your overall post. The original poster did bring up some good points also about why he is fine on the HD's for now even if most of us disagree.

 

[slag]

I'm not doubting the performance increase that SSDs can deliver in a system.. What I'm saying is, that people are ignoring things like superfetch and large system cache that help mitigate the I/O bottleneck you get from using hardrives.

If you have lots of memory like I do and have the pagefile disabled, then most everything is partially (or fully) launched from memory..

And as fast as SSDs are, they are slow as molasses compared to fast RAM.



The phrase,"Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups," comes to mind.. :sneaky:

FYI, my previous heatsink was physically damaged after I accidentally dropped it during some routine cleaning, so it's not like I bought the NH-D14 on a whim..



Do you honestly think that 4 to 6 cores would give you no perceivable performance increase?

If you do, I suggest you look at the benchmarks again. Two additional cores give a nice performance increase in CPU heavy apps like encoding, transcoding etc, and some games do make use of that many cores..

The upcoming Battlefield 3 will reputedly make use of up to 8 cores, so increasing parallellism is a strengthening trend even in the gaming industry.

When I decided to buy the 970, I was thinking to maximize my x58 platform's longevity. Ultimately however, after thinking about things, I decided that my present set up was more than adequate enough for my needs, and that my money would be better spent on future hardware.

So the heatsink was free then? I understand you "had" to buy something else because of your butterfingers, but still, I use an el cheap $20.00 heatsink and have my 2500k @ 4.5 ghz. Probably could get by fine with the stock one tbh.

 

[grimpr]

If you have lots of memory like I do and have the pagefile disabled, then most everything is partially (or fully) launched from memory..

And as fast as SSDs are, they are slow as molasses compared to fast RAM.

I agree with this, jumping to 16gb of RAM with 6gb dedicated to FancyCache caching reads/writes and a fast SSD underneath putting it all together is a game changer setup.

 

[Carfax83]

Only an idiot needs 600GB of SSD, even considering the gaming argument. Just use a tool like steammover to swap out games from the HDD to the SSD when you need to play it. My 120GB SSD holds my OS, all frequently used apps, and I game all my games from it as well (and my game installs add up to way more than 120GB). Only media and infrequent applications stay on the HDD. I haven't felt the need for more SSD space at all, and this is coming from a person who needs 3 2TB drives for his data storage needs.

You call or imply that I'm an idiot, and yet here you are assuming that my computing needs would be even remotely similar to yours.. Yeah thats really smart of you....idiot.

FYI, I like to install a very large number of my favorite games because I sometime game by whim and I don't want to have to install a game at the actual time I desire to play it..

And yes, an SSD will have way more of a real world impact than 4 additional cores

You make it sound as though SSDs are a panacea for every performance issue, but they aren't. SSDs won't speed up encoding/transcoding times, nor will they give you more FPS in games...

Anyway, I'm done rationalizing my personal computing habits to judgemental people like you..

So the heatsink was free then? I understand you "had" to buy something else because of your butterfingers, but still, I use an el cheap $20.00 heatsink and have my 2500k @ 4.5 ghz. Probably could get by fine with the stock one tbh.

Yeah, a 32nm 2500K is really the same as a 45nm 920.. My CPU would NEVER hit 4.3ghz (or even 4.0ghz) on the stock heatsink, because of it's high voltage requirement. Temps would go through the roof!

I agree with this, jumping to 16gb of RAM with 6gb dedicated to FancyCache caching reads/writes and a fast SSD underneath putting it all together is a game changer setup.

FancyCache? *Edit* looked it up, and it seems to be in beta...not that it matters.

 

[betasub]

LMGTFY... or do search engines not suit your personal computing habits?

 

[TemjinGold]

Dudes, dudes, chill out. It's okay. The OP decided to not spend money. Just calm the heck down. It's not the end of the world. No need to get hostile in here. Geez...

 

[Carfax83]

Dudes, dudes, chill out. It's okay. The OP decided to not spend money. Just calm the heck down. It's not the end of the world. No need to get hostile in here. Geez...

Thank you.. For a sec I thought I had walked into the Twilight Zone or something LOL.....or back in High school.

Is the Anandtech forum generally always like this? I rarely post over here, and it's been a while since I've been subjected to this sort of treatment anywhere online

 

[Makaveli]

Thank you.. For a sec I thought I had walked into the Twilight Zone or something LOL.....or back in High school.

Is the Anandtech forum generally always like this? I rarely post over here, and it's been a while since I've been subjected to this sort of treatment anywhere online

I wouldn't say the whole community is like this there just are some people that are childish and many other forums suffer this same issue. I think most people are just surprised at your reasoning for sticking to the HD (i'm not reffering to price). I think you did a good job of supporting your reasons even if many disagree.

What people need to remember at the end of the day its your money being spent not theirs, and as long as your happy with it that matters most.

this was my 1366 post can't wait until 2011

 

[BonzaiDuck]

A college roommate back in the '60s had acquired an old Indian motorcycle for chump-change. Sucker ran! Got up and went! Motor had one . . . big . . . .cylinder . . .

I don't know if Burt Munro's Indian in "The World's Fastest Indian" was a single cylinder or different.

But if I can get matching performance out of four cores for a lower price than six, and better over-clockability (because it seems to be the case that fewer cores means higher OC clock-speeds) -- I'll keep the money and go for the i7-2600K.

I've been making alternate plans for build either a Gulftown or a Sandy Bridge for the last five months. The first plans and investigations had the Gulftown in mind.

I'm also trying to scale back on kilowatt hours. I WILL NOT be using SLI, even if I stick a Fermi 570 into the PCI-E socket. I WILL NOT be doing four-disk RAID5 using a $400 controller, even as I'm getting an Elm Crest 510 SSD so I can use part of it with ISRT.

With that latter combination -- I have a funny feeling that the ISRT will render the value of an SATAIII HDD as meaningless compared to the last-gen SATAII -- provided the SSD is running as SATAIII. And even THAT bears more inspection. . . .

Is it possible that Intel could later release a Sandy Bridge hex-core, even after they release Socket-2011? Can't be sure . . .

 

[djnsmith7]

Thank you.. For a sec I thought I had walked into the Twilight Zone or something LOL.....or back in High school.

Is the Anandtech forum generally always like this? I rarely post over here, and it's been a while since I've been subjected to this sort of treatment anywhere online

Unfortunately, yes, there are judgmental & argumentative people on these forums, but there are also some very helpful & knowledgeable people here as well. I've been here a long time & have had my share of arguments, as well as learning experiences. You just have to to pick your battles. Take what these folks say with a grain of salt & try not to take their juvenile comments personally.

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter if these folks disagree with you. If you don't want to spend the money on SSD's (I haven't done it yet either, so don't feel bad), then don't. If these people don't like that you won't take their advice & buy what they want you to buy, it's not a big deal. It's your money. You'll buy the SSD's when you're good & ready.