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[Rusin]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: Azn


Maybe the fan wasn't spinning and providing 91C which isn't too good for the GPU.

There aren't any indication that 91C would be too much for G92

When was the last time 91C ever good for a GPU? Comfortable level is anything below 85C. I had many cards over the years. Anything above 90C usually give artifacts. I've never kept a card long enough at 90+C so I don't know if the video card dies quicker but I suspect heat can't possibly be too good for any chip.

Don't know. 8800 GTS&GTX wen't too hot according to some people and these cards have had less problems after one year compared to GF7-series. Main thing is that we don't know G92's thermal design and we don't know what are safe temperatures for that gpu and it doesn't help in this case if you compare to other cards.

 

[AzN]

You sound coming off as ignorant because you want to stick to what you said about 8800gt having same noise level compared to 8800gts. Thermal design for any gpu shouldn't be running high temperatures period.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: Azn
You sound coming off as ignorant because you want to stick to what you said about 8800gt having same noise level compared to 8800gts. Thermal design for any gpu shouldn't be running high temperatures period.

So you don't know anything about safe temperatures for G92, but you are more than willing to make claims about it.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: Azn
You sound coming off as ignorant because you want to stick to what you said about 8800gt having same noise level compared to 8800gts. Thermal design for any gpu shouldn't be running high temperatures period.

So you don't know anything about safe temperatures for G92, but you are more than willing to make claims about it.

I do know what is safe temperature to run a GPU because I've dealt with so many different type of chips over the years to come up with a conclusion. G92 or g80 doesn't make any difference. It is a electronic component and all electronic components fail at certain temperature. 91C is pushing it for any gpu. Any techie would tell you that.

Believe whatever you like and run your gpu @ 90+C and see what it does for you but stop spreading ignorance.

 

[Rusin]

Ok, do you have anything to support your theory? Other than your claim?

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Rusin
Ok, do you have anything to support your theory? Other than your claim?

What theory and claims? When I have tested myself. You think a website writes a article it becomes god's truth? No they are also making a claim through tests. Did I write a paper on it? No. I came up with a conclusion after owning various GPU from ATI, 3dfx, Nvidia chips. You want a graph when the chip started showing artifacts or lock up running 90+C What do you desire? Let me know.

If you want to keep on being ignorant I have no more words for you. I think everyone in the forums can vouch that 91C is high for GPU temperature and I haven't seen too many video cards run at this high temperature. Some people also mentioned that Nvidia's drivers or bios made the fan not spin up faster when set to auto on the 8800gt which maybe coincide with the noise level of the gpu of those websites.

Why not prove it yourself instead of asking antagonistic questions if you are so interested. It can't be too hard. You have a gpu don't you? Once tested you can write a paper and maybe submit it to a website and maybe post it on here as well. Until then you have no room to talk about supporting theories and claims.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Rusin
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/13479/7
http://www.elitebastards.com/c...&limit=1&limitstart=10 (generates the same amount of noise as 8800 GTS)
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/...w1LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA== "Though it reached 91c the fan did not get loud at all."

http://www.hothardware.com/art..._Takes_Flight/?page=12

As we noted earlier, the GeForce 8800 GT's heatsink and fan solution is certainly svelt, with its single slot design but unfortunately that comes at the cost of heat and noise. In fact, the 8800 GT is probably the noisiest product to come out of NVIDIA in a long time. The card will likely only annoy users that are looking for exceptionally quiet computing solutions but for the average usage model, these new cards will be tolerable. We're hopeful however, that some third-party board partners will come up with more innovative, quiet cooling solutions.

In terms of its thermal profile, the GeForce 8800 GT runs relatively hot. We measured 155ºF on the exterior of the heatsink face plate and 145ºF on the backside of the board directly under the GPU, with a digital infrared thermometer.


http://www.tweaktown.com/revie...sound_tests/index.html

The little fan clearly struggles here and you can see that the heat is way up on the 8800GT. The card is screaming for a nice aftermarket cooler with a bigger fan on it.

Sound Tests

Pulling out the TES 1350A Sound Level Meter we find ourselves quickly yelling into the top of it to see how loud we can be.

After five minutes of that we get a bit more serious and place the device two CM away from the fan on the card to find the maximum noise level of the card when idle (2D mode) and in load (3D mode).

At load the card was the loudest out of the bunch with a significantly big jump on the 8800GTS.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Rusin
Ok, do you have anything to support your theory? Other than your claim?

What theory and claims? When I have tested myself.

You have already tested G92?

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: Azn


http://www.hothardware.com/art..._Takes_Flight/?page=12



http://www.tweaktown.com/revie...sound_tests/index.html
loudest out of the bunch with a significantly big jump on the 8800GTS. [/i]

So we have few tests saying the opposite. Then there are users with mixed feelings.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Rusin
Ok, do you have anything to support your theory? Other than your claim?

What theory and claims? When I have tested myself.

You have already tested G92?

I said I have tested various video cards from all sides of the fence. I don't have a g92. I do however tested on g84.

You think somehow Nvidia made their chips to run at 90+C while G80 to run at 65C? You must be a real genius to come up with a conclusion like that. :roll:

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: Azn


http://www.hothardware.com/art..._Takes_Flight/?page=12



http://www.tweaktown.com/revie...sound_tests/index.html
loudest out of the bunch with a significantly big jump on the 8800GTS. [/i]

So we have few tests saying the opposite. Then there are users with mixed feelings.

If you actually read the forums here you can quickly realize that some 8800gt fan doesn't spin up even when gaming and keeps the temperature high. Even EVGA acknowledged this and is coming with a updated bios to fix this.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2114737&enterthread=y

Originally posted by: marmasatt

Originally posted by: requiem1
My 8800GT will be here in the middle of the week and I am worried about the temp. I keep reading how it is sooo hot. Anyways, HOW DO I MANUAL CHANGE FAN SPEED ON 8800GT TO 50%? What program do you guys use?

I'm in the exact same boat. Got a step up coming. I spoke with a guy at EVGA who's indicated they are working with Nvidia on a driver/bios update. He said the first thing you should do is up the fan through Ntune or Rivatuner. He also indicated the sweet spot noise/performance is right about 45% FWIW...

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Rusin
Ok, do you have anything to support your theory? Other than your claim?

What theory and claims? When I have tested myself.

You have already tested G92?

How about YOU go test your card at 90C+ (go even higher...how about 120C) and get back with some results. There's a reason why GPUs crash with higher temps. You can ask me to test it but I'm sorry mate I won't purposely run my GPU at 90C+. Like it or not excessive heat hampers the performance of GPUs, as well as CPUs...and I think it's generally accepted (at least by most people here) that once you go above around 80C (60C for CPUs), that's getting fairly hot.

This is a good test:
Turn your fan speed as low as possible and run something like AtiTool artifact tester or RTHDRIBL to get the temperatures up and see if it crashes or starts artifacting. Now turn the fan up and run the same test. I'm willing to bet you'll get artifacts or crashing in the first test. If you don't well then maybe you'll fine running it at 90C+, but I still wouldn't do it.

For an example of what happens when the card overheats:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2116189&enterthread=y

His solution: turn up the fan speed to prevent his card from overheating, in this case 90C+

 

[CP5670]

Well, you can't make blanket statements like that for all cards. The X1900s sometimes passed 90C on stock speeds without any problems. Mine doesn't go that high, but there used to be many people reporting this around here.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: thilan29

How about YOU go test your card at 90C+ (go even higher...how about 120C) and get back with some results. There's a reason why GPUs crash with higher temps. You can ask me to test it but I'm sorry mate I won't purposely run my GPU at 90C+. Like it or not excessive heat hampers the performance of GPUs, as well as CPUs...and I think it's generally accepted (at least by most people here) that once you go above around 80C (60C for CPUs), that's getting fairly hot.

This is a good test:
Turn your fan speed as low as possible and run something like AtiTool artifact tester or RTHDRIBL to get the temperatures up and see if it crashes or starts artifacting. Now turn the fan up and run the same test. I'm willing to bet you'll get artifacts or crashing in the first test. If you don't well then maybe you'll fine running it at 90C+, but I still wouldn't do it.

For an example of what happens when the card overheats:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2116189&enterthread=y

His solution: turn up the fan speed to prevent his card from overheating, in this case 90C+

Problem is that my card uses G80-chip so it would be pointless to try that over 90C on this card, because it wouldn't say anything about G92.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: Azn
If you actually read the forums here you can quickly realize that some 8800gt fan doesn't spin up even when gaming and keeps the temperature high. Even EVGA acknowledged this and is coming with a updated bios to fix this.

Do you have any other source than "some guy who asked some guy"?

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Rusin
Problem is that my card uses G80-chip so it would be pointless to try that over 90C on this card, because it wouldn't say anything about G92.

Okay so then go to the thread I linked to which talks about a G92. Is that not a good enough source for you (ie. first hand experience)?

And you can do that test just to confirm it's not good in general.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: CP5670
Well, you can't make blanket statements like that for all cards. The X1900s sometimes passed 90C on stock speeds without any problems. Mine doesn't go that high, but there used to be many people reporting this around here.

850xt as well.

I had a card that did 90C. Started showing artifacts when I had anything above stock. All I'm saying it's not a comfortable temperature and should be lowered.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Rusin
Problem is that my card uses G80-chip so it would be pointless to try that over 90C on this card, because it wouldn't say anything about G92.

Okay so then go to the thread I linked to which talks about a G92. Is that not a good enough source for you (ie. first hand experience)?

And you can do that test just to confirm it's not good in general.

He needs proof and theories not first hand experience.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: CP5670
Well, you can't make blanket statements like that for all cards. The X1900s sometimes passed 90C on stock speeds without any problems. Mine doesn't go that high, but there used to be many people reporting this around here.

I haven't seen mine over 88c, but I don't play fps's very often.

 

[Rusin]

So there is limit somewhere in "90's". Most of people haven't had any trouble with low "90's".

 

[Demoth]

None of the current cards should be running in the 90s. You may have no problems within the life of your card, especially if you tend to upgrade every year or more. However, it is kind of like getting a lower end PSU, your taking more of a risk of problems that can sometimes be hard to trace.

Full loads of 90*C over extended periods very well can cause damage and artifacting. A little dust over time or a hot day can fry your card. You have no room to overclock and no leeway for heat issues.

The 8800 GT is a very nice card, but if your getting 90*C at full load, you really need to reset your heatsink and apply a bit of artic silver.

RMAs are all well and good, especially if your an enthusiast and have spare high end cards lying around. Most don't want to go thru the whole hassle of registering and shipping back a card.