It's just a seed to plant in fanboys minds. Working with developers is bad !
Now here take your meds and call for open standards !
This whole rumor is based on stupid logic that Kepler will be faster than the 7970 in PhysX. The 7970 doesn't do PhysX, maybe it will be considerably faster than the 580, but there aren't a ton of PhysX titles out they'd be hard pressed to create any sort of positive spin off it.
Are we going to see slides of what, BMAC, BMAP, Mafia II, and Mirrors Edge? Woo, sounds like great marketing... /sarcasm
So if it's $350 it's still a deal compared to 7970. It probably would of been $300 if not for the fact that AMD priced the 79XX series so ridiculously. That's why I have such issue with amd. They not only raised the premium card prices now the bang for the buck cards are now more expensive.
I'm still not certain the market will sustain this. The enthusiast (big spenders) is a small portion of the gpu buyers. I wonder how many buyers will just scoff at the prices and just say I'll wait till next gen. It's already looking like this will be the first gen I've skipped in all the years I've been pc gaming. Something I'd never expected.
The difference is with prior generations their "big" gpu spinoff was ready at the same time, this is not the case now. They have GK104 and thats it until Q3 (estimated) so its questionable whether they would call something a 660 and leave a product gap for 6 months. I highly doubt it, I think that GK104 will be the flagship and they will clock it as high as feasibly possible to make it fit. Other sources are stating that GK104 will be the 680, while the GK110 will be the 700 series. Meanwhile, AMD is working on sea islands which supposedly will be released Q4. It would make sense for AMD to release a tahiti refresh since it has such ridiculous clocking headroom, but who knows.
Anyone championing NV as the sudden price performance leader, if thats true great but there shouldn't be any question to why many would be skeptical. NV has always been terrible price/performance with their high end parts, and if the GK104 based GTX 680 is released for 350-399$, great, i'll buy several of them. I remain highly skeptical based on their history.
This whole rumor is based on stupid logic that Kepler will be faster than the 7970 in PhysX. The 7970 doesn't do PhysX, maybe it will be considerably faster than the 580, but there aren't a ton of PhysX titles out they'd be hard pressed to create any sort of positive spin off it.
Are we going to see slides of what, BMAC, BMAP, Mafia II, and Mirrors Edge? Woo, sounds like great marketing... /sarcasm
Nothing is "definite" just like GK104 isn't "definite" for release in April. GK110 isn't "definite" for Q3. AMD has been on a yearly release schedule for several generations now so it stands to reason that the next gen part will be in December of this year, (i'll refrain from digging up a certain post you made about tahiti's release date and they always have the option of making a "xt" or "xtx" version of the tahiti.
Yes, but the Physics in Batman AC are great, really adds to the immersion.
100% more titles than AMD had Physics in this year.
Don't overlook Nvidia's professional applications in your prices, Inventor Professional, Alias studio, 3DS Max, Maya, AutoCAD, AutoCAD Electrical etc all benefit hugely from CUDA. CUDA your Geforce card can run, so once again we're comparing the price of a card that just plays games to a card that plays the same games, has more features in those games where possible, and has common professional applications benefits.
Do you really, truly, honestly think that Kepler is going to have some kind of dedicated hardware unit that only accelerates/works with 4 new games each year???
About Batman I agree with Physx making the game better and it's just as easy to have an add in Physx card for Radeon users too you know.
http://www.ngohq.com/graphic-cards/17706-hybrid-physx-mod-v1-03-v1-05ff.html
It couldn't be any easier.
I run a GTX 285 with my 7970.
But nvidia has never released a $600 card only to have the competitor release an equivalent card 2 months later for $300. when you bought a premium nvidia card you were buying the absolute best bar none. AMD had nothing faster inevitably coming down the pike.
If you buy/bought a 7970 you buy it at premium top dawg prices knowing good and well that it is only a matter of time before its relegated to low high end/ high mid range performance.
What is the problem?
Four? More like one or two... Why not? They bought Ageia awhile ago and it's still a niche deal. A 580 isn't enough really to run high PhysX and render at the same time, even at 1080p so they clearly need to get more power so people don't have to mess with dedicated secondary cards. PhysX is one of the reasons to get Nvidia over AMD right now, they need to push it and improve it's performance in order for their acquisition to bare fruit.
My 9800GT fails hard at PhysX, that's how much computation power is required.
Yeah that wasn't the point either, still need a Nvidia gpu to run PhysX. The hack has been around for awhile.
It's nice there is an option for AMD users to use a dedicated PhysX card. Kind of lame of Nv to make that only possible through a hack considering you need a Nv card anyways.
@lavaheadache
That's exactly what I'm saying, they need better PhysX performance from their cards if they want it to take off better. As it is now everything with PhysX pretty much requires a addin or SLI.
But that doesn't mean the logic behind GK104 will only excel against the 7970 in games with PhysX since the 7970 can't do PhysX on any level makes any sense (Charlie).
PhysX adds more workload, reducing fps... Why would GK104 only excel in these those titles against the 7970 when it would have more load than the 7970 would, but not be as good in other titles where there was no PhysX?
Metro: Last Light. Hopefully it'll become a benchmark because the graphics are great and not because it's optimized horribly like its predecessor.
Metro 2033 looks nice but the engine is junk. It is slow outdoors, thank goodness 90% of the game is indoors. Crysis 2 looks better and still runs faster, for some odd reason.
Even the PS3 version of metro 2033 has horrible slowdown in areas....
After the long wait for the turd that was the PC version of GTA IV, I'm not giving much hope.Crap Daddy said:I would add GTA 5
Yeah, that's what I meant.
Also the piracy rhetoric is pretty dumb. "Hey, we'll make cheap, unoptimized ports, straddle them with crippling DRM and hold them back a few months because all PC gamers are pirates. Our games don't sell, so that means you all are pirates and we were right all along!"
After the long wait for the turd that was the PC version of GTA IV, I'm not giving much hope.
You sure about that?
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/317?vs=313
Nvidia's 460 ($225-$250 release) competed with the 285, which was faster than the 280 that black pointed out released at $650.
I'm expecting GK104 to do the same, compete with the 580 while being in the $300 or less range, perhaps a tad over $300 at release since Nv (reportedly) has nothing else coming out, but once GK100/110 comes out it should have two more sku's, one which will take the place of the 470/570 and the other should take the place of the 480/580 price wise.
I don't see Nv making the same mistake they made with 2xx, sending out rebates probably made them feel stupid.
By the time GK100/110 comes out it should be down to $250ish, making it an appropriately priced x60 product. That $250 could compete with the 7970/7950 relinquishing AMD back into the high $200 low $300 market once again. Which is exactly what Nv wants to do, continue to reduce AMD's ability to have large profit margins.