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slsmnaz

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Right, been working since 1974, I have collected a total of 6 weeks unemployment since then, I'd hardly consider myself as a lazy loser who refuses to get a job and wants the Gov to pick up my tab for my entire existence..

you had 39 years to prepare for this scenario and the only solution you can come up with is raid your 401k or use food stamps. Based on that I don't see how you avoided having the govt pick up at least part of your tab
 

PricklyPete

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Sorry to hear Butch. Don't touch the 401k if possible (other than to roll it over) and good luck finding a new job. Enroll in unemployment immediately... That is what it is there for.
 
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Good advise but the Cobra coverage is $941/mth, yikes...

Jesus Christ. Id just save that money instead and pay out of pocket. No way im sinking 11k/year for healthcare i may or may not use. US Healthcare is a freaking joke.
 

PricklyPete

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you had 39 years to prepare for this scenario and the only solution you can come up with is raid your 401k or use food stamps. Based on that I don't see how you avoided having the govt pick up at least part of your tab

What are you 9 years old? Stop being such a shit. You are acting like the wuss who kicks a man on the ground after he has already been pummeled. The lack of maturity is amazing. Tell your parents they should take your computer away until you learn manners.
 

rcpratt

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What are you 9 years old? Stop being such a shit. You are acting like the wuss who kicks a man on the ground after he has already been pummeled. The lack of maturity is amazing. Tell your parents they should take your computer away until you learn manners.
He's not wrong. If you're in a situation where you're even considering touching your 401(k) after losing your job (especially immediately after), you did it wrong. Just needs a little more tact.
 

jaedaliu

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Sorry to hear Butch. Don't touch the 401k if possible (other than to roll it over) and good luck finding a new job. Enroll in unemployment immediately... That is what it is there for.

When I had to file for unemployment, I had read somewhere online that there was a 2 week waiting period, so I should file after 2 weeks were up. Turns out it was 2 weeks after I filed. Missed out on 2 weeks.

Thankfully, we had savings. Didn't NEED the unemployment checks, but they really helped provide peace of mind in case it went long. (ended up being 5 months)
 

Jeffg010

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What are you 9 years old? Stop being such a shit. You are acting like the wuss who kicks a man on the ground after he has already been pummeled. The lack of maturity is amazing. Tell your parents they should take your computer away until you learn manners.

Sorry I agree with him. You do need to prepare before it happens. I seen it far to many times where old guys get to retirement age and have nothing. Then they end up mopping floors for the rest of their days just to get by. He has been working for 17 years and all his 401k is worth is 25k? I hope more people see butch's situation and learn from it.
 

PricklyPete

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He's not wrong. If you're in a situation where you're even considering touching your 401(k) after losing your job (especially immediately after), you did it wrong. Just needs a little more tact.

That doesn't mean you start berating him right after losing his job. It is called common decency. Does it make either of you feel like a bigger man for pointing it out? You are failing as a member if society if you think it is worthwhile to beat a man when he is down.
 
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bignateyk

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based on that info I hope you take it out of your 401k instead

Uh, he's been paying tax into those programs for decades. This is a situation where they are actually meant for, unlike the welfare and disability queens who make it a lifestyle.

I doubt at this point he could raid them enough to ever make up for the amount of money he's been taxed for them over the years.
 

chowderhead

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I have never been a fan of COBRA. Go find a high deductible plan that is affordable.

He has 60 days to elect to take cobra coverage or not. If he doesn't use it and finds a job that has health coverage within 60 days that 's great. If he needs to go to the hospital or gets a large medical bill, he can retroactively elect for cobra coverage within 60 days. Depending on how things go, that could even be a longer period.
 

slsmnaz

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Uh, he's been paying tax into those programs for decades. This is a situation where they are actually meant for, unlike the welfare and disability queens who make it a lifestyle.

I doubt at this point he could raid them enough to ever make up for the amount of money he's been taxed for them over the years.

and that's the exact reason those programs will never be able to be cut down. I understand using unemployment (don't think it should be there but I can understand using it). However someone who has worked for 40 years and has no savings and a small retirement fund is not paying a huge amount in taxes. One day after being fired he requires food stamps? Sorry if people see me as an ahole but something just doesn't add up to me
 

BUTCH1

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you had 39 years to prepare for this scenario and the only solution you can come up with is raid your 401k or use food stamps. Based on that I don't see how you avoided having the govt pick up at least part of your tab

Your not understanding the whole picture, first off is my wife is disabled and needs 12 different meds, yea, I could have saved more and that's on me but the cost of her medical needs alone without insurance would eat alive any savings I had set aside and to answer your question, no, the govt has not "picked up" any of my tab excluding 6 weeks of unemployment decades ago, since we have no kids I had been paying 4-5K annually in income taxes, I'm not one of the ones who gets thousands back every year because they decided to pump out kids they could not afford.
 

Jeffg010

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Your not understanding the whole picture, first off is my wife is disabled and needs 12 different meds, yea, I could have saved more and that's on me but the cost of her medical needs alone without insurance would eat alive any savings I had set aside and to answer your question, no, the govt has not "picked up" any of my tab excluding 6 weeks of unemployment decades ago, since we have no kids I had been paying 4-5K annually in income taxes, I'm not one of the ones who gets thousands back every year because they decided to pump out kids they could not afford.

Kids cost way more then you ever get back, just saying.
 

BUTCH1

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and that's the exact reason those programs will never be able to be cut down. I understand using unemployment (don't think it should be there but I can understand using it). However someone who has worked for 40 years and has no savings and a small retirement fund is not paying a huge amount in taxes. One day after being fired he requires food stamps? Sorry if people see me as an ahole but something just doesn't add up to me

LOL, I don't need food stamps today but FL is not a state where the wages are that great, a long time ago it was cheap to live here, now, not so much..
 

BUTCH1

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Kids cost way more then you ever get back, just saying.

True that, it's funny though when I hear of people getting large refunds they are talking mostly about what they are gonna buy for themselves, not socking it away for there kid's collage fund..
 

Capt Caveman

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you had 39 years to prepare for this scenario and the only solution you can come up with is raid your 401k or use food stamps. Based on that I don't see how you avoided having the govt pick up at least part of your tab

You're a fucking idiot. Stop posting.

Butch, don't even reply back to the troll.

Sorry to hear about your situation.
 

slsmnaz

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I realize life happens and things get out of control, especially when you get fired from a job. However I will not agree with the immediate use of welfare as a legit option until every other one has been exhausted

if your wife is disabled and unable to work can she not receive the assistance? I would think that should be your first step is making sure she is covered and provided for before you start raiding the savings you may have.
 

slsmnaz

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You're a fucking idiot. Stop posting.

Butch, don't even reply back to the troll.

Sorry to hear about your situation.

very intelligent response but I am not a troll. You may not like what I'm saying but it is not trolling in any way
 

BUTCH1

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I realize life happens and things get out of control, especially when you get fired from a job. However I will not agree with the immediate use of welfare as a legit option until every other one has been exhausted

if your wife is disabled and unable to work can she not receive the assistance? I would think that should be your first step is making sure she is covered and provided for before you start raiding the savings you may have.

Yea, she started getting disability last year, 950/mth, we never applied for medicare or medicaid because I bought insurance at work, we got switched to an HRA plan last year, before that Cigna HMO was $123/week..
 

Vdubchaos

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Kids cost way more then you ever get back, just saying.

Kids are NOT a business or some kind of investment.

And you are wrong, they give you WAY more than you can EVER get with ANY amount of money.

But you see, some people don't give a shit about materialistic things or money.....I know I know, I'm a weird creature.
 

Capt Caveman

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very intelligent response but I am not a troll. You may not like what I'm saying but it is not trolling in any way

No, you're an idiot. Your stupid generalization that everyone should have emergency funds and giving Butch a hard time demonstrates how little you know about the real world.

The OP has the right to do whatever he needs to do to ensure his wife is able to continue receive her medications, medical care and still have a roof over there heads and food on the table. If you're not old enough or intelligent enough to understand the OP's posts, he looking at temporary means to hold him over til he's able to find new employment.

Now, go away.
 

Juddog

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As the above people mentioned, DO NOT cash out your 401k if at all possible - roll it into another fund so it doesn't get taxed. I made this mistake earlier in my career and have come to heavily regret that decision.

Regarding COBRA, it's ridiculously expensive, I never was a fan of it and never have used it.
 

slsmnaz

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No, you're an idiot. Your stupid generalization that everyone should have emergency funds and giving Butch a hard time demonstrates how little you know about the real world.

no it doesn't. Quit being a drama queen and refute the points if you can

The OP has the right to do whatever he needs to do to ensure his wife is able to continue receive her medications, medical care and still have a roof over there heads and food on the table. If you're not old enough or intelligent enough to understand the OP's posts, he looking at temporary means to hold him over til he's able to find new employment.

sure he has the right but if he posts it here I have the right to disagree with his actions. Just because I don't agree with his path I'm an idiot and a troll? Good grief grow up. His wife should qualify for programs and probably did way before this point. No clue why he didn't use them before now but that's their choice

Now, go away.

if I'm breaking the board rules I'm sure someone will tell me. If not then I think I'll just hang around a bit. You seem to take this way too personally. Maybe you should log out for a while and allow your blood pressure to come back to normal levels




Stop right now.

Here's someone that's having a rough time of it and is asking advice.
All you're doing is criticizing him for not having enough savings to get him through this.

If you cannot try to he helpful from this point on, stay out of his thread


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BUTCH1

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No, you're an idiot. Your stupid generalization that everyone should have emergency funds and giving Butch a hard time demonstrates how little you know about the real world.

The OP has the right to do whatever he needs to do to ensure his wife is able to continue receive her medications, medical care and still have a roof over there heads and food on the table. If you're not old enough or intelligent enough to understand the OP's posts, he looking at temporary means to hold him over til he's able to find new employment.

Now, go away.

Wow, thanks for the support CC, I will have to admit I should have had more than $1200 has an emergency fund but as my wife's disease got worse and worse putting $$ aside was hard, she has Diabetes and Antiphospholipid syndrome which caused the arteries in her legs to get clogged, we never knew about the diabetes, she was always thin and active, in 2011 she had to have both legs amputated as there were no surgical options left..
 

Juddog

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Wow, thanks for the support CC, I will have to admit I should have had more than $1200 has an emergency fund but as my wife's disease got worse and worse putting $$ aside was hard, she has Diabetes and Antiphospholipid syndrome which caused the arteries in her legs to get clogged, we never knew about the diabetes, she was always thin and active, in 2011 she had to have both legs amputated as there were no surgical options left..

Damn dude that sucks, sorry to hear that.
 
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