5000X2 ETA?

[Tsuwamono]

Does anyone have an ETA on when the next shipments of 5000s will become available?

 

[Nightmare225]

No, and if you haven't built yet, get a core duo 2.

 

[myocardia]

There aren't going to be any more shipments of 5000's. AMD only made a few, and decided not to make them anymore. The 4800 will be the fastest AM2 chip, besides the FX-62. Check with smaller, lesser-known online retailers, if you decide to get one.

 

[StrangerGuy]

X2 5000+ is a sucker deal anyway. Core 2 Duo E6600 blows the 5000+ into the water for the roughly same price IIRC. Overclocked E6600 blows it out of the galaxy.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Too bad some people already have alot invested into their current machine and only want to upgrade the CPU so moving to C2D means too much money.

 

[coldpower27]

Well the only people that would be considering the 5000+ would be the people already on Socket AM2 which aren't that many at this point in time atl eats not if your looking at a 5000+.

To my knowledge the 2x1MB chips are the ones that are discontinued, short of the upcoming 5200+ and FX-62. The 5000+ is still being produced unless you can provide documentation to support your claim that 5000+ has been discontinued.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: coldpower27
Well the only people that would be considering the 5000+ would be the people already on Socket AM2 which aren't that many at this point in time at least not if your looking at a 5000+.

Exactly. I understand if your looking into a socket 939 upgrade from single core to dual but a new AM2 PC now is a BAD idea.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: coldpower27
Well the only people that would be considering the 5000+ would be the people already on Socket AM2 which aren't that many at this point in time at least not if your looking at a 5000+.

Exactly. I understand if your looking into a socket 939 upgrade from single core to dual but a new AM2 PC now is a BAD idea.

Agreed. And if you've already got an AM2 system, just grab a 4800.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: coldpower27
Well the only people that would be considering the 5000+ would be the people already on Socket AM2 which aren't that many at this point in time at least not if your looking at a 5000+.

Exactly. I understand if your looking into a socket 939 upgrade from single core to dual but a new AM2 PC now is a BAD idea.

Agreed. And if you've already got an AM2 system, just grab a 4800.

Assuming you can find some, all 2x1MB SKU's besides FX-62 are now discontinued. There isn't much remaining supplies left on AM2 4800+.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
X2 5000+ is a sucker deal anyway. Core 2 Duo E6600 blows the 5000+ into the water for the roughly same price IIRC. Overclocked E6600 blows it out of the galaxy.

Not for me...plenty of 5000+ available here, and a good variety of AM2 motherboards (Australia). Conroe e6600 is still a myth here (as are the motherboards...) until mid-August at least...
Besides, I saved $200+ on the 5000+/Asus M2NPV-VM over the cheapest e6600 combo (I need firewire)...

 

[TekDemon]

Seriously if you're considering this you should probably just stick with your system for a while. I don't really get why some people feel the need to upgrade every 3 months or something. When I went from a P4 2.4Ghz to an A64 3400+ I was frankly underwhelmed by the performance difference. Yeah it was faster but in day to day usage there just wasn't really much of a point.
In fact I actually went back to the P4 (for various reasons) and am still using it...and Core 2 has finally caused such a huge leap in performance that I'm finally going to do a new build (the A64 wasn't even a build, it was premade...mostly got it cuz it was cheap).

Last time when I was considering an S939 build all the crazy new bios options for A64s gave me a headache, lol. HTT and whatnot. So I guess I'll need to really brush up on stuff for my new build but it seems like Core 2 is worth it.

 

[Tsuwamono]

i would get C2D but the mobos are like 200$ and i dont have a deffinate list of the mobos that support it. Plus i had already decided that i wanted to stick with AMD to continue supporting them. If you can find me a sub 180$ mobo and a sub 350$ C2D be my guest.

Needs to be Crossfire enabled btw.

 

[NewBlackDak]

Originally posted by: TekDemon
(the A64 wasn't even a build, it was premade...mostly got it cuz it was cheap).

You ever think that this is why you didn't see any difference. A well-built 3000+ makes a 2.4 PIV feel like a pig.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Tsuwamono
i would get C2D but the mobos are like 200$ and i dont have a deffinate list of the mobos that support it. Plus i had already decided that i wanted to stick with AMD to continue supporting them. If you can find me a sub 180$ mobo and a sub 350$ C2D be my guest.

Needs to be Crossfire enabled btw.

Not a possible scenario then as Crossfire is only allowed on 975X chipsets, and those will reamain 200US+.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Tsuwamono
i would get C2D but the mobos are like 200$ and i dont have a deffinate list of the mobos that support it. Plus i had already decided that i wanted to stick with AMD to continue supporting them. If you can find me a sub 180$ mobo and a sub 350$ C2D be my guest.

Needs to be Crossfire enabled btw.

The overall expendature on even the cheapest C2D chip that is overclockable is much greater than I can spend (include motherboard and good memory). I'm not lagging, I have no FPS issues, and as more games use SMP my x2 will be better than it is now. All I need to do is throw in a new Videocard when the DX10 versions show up and I'm set again for a good long while. I'm not into video editing and stuff that I need to encode realtime where something faster than an x2 3800+ at 2.6Ghz will really make life better. I just do games and web browsing (maybe some itunes). I'm happy.

I'll make a decision whether to upgrade or not around the time quad core CPUs come out from each manufacturer (AMD and Intel) and I will evaluate them at that time. If the performance delta from what I use now is great enough to warrant the cost then maybe i will make the upgrade.

 

[addylo]

Help me out here. Can someone please explain why building a new AMD AM2 box now is such a bad idea? I'm not knocking Conroe (having been an Intel guy up to now), but why is it a better deal for the money than AMD?

Two things strike me:

1) Conroe is still brand new, no time yet to shake out the bugs. I'm not after bleeding-edge performance, I just want a fast, stable system. Whatever I get has to perform better than my current 2.4Ghz P4 to be worth the money.
2) The higher-end/$ Conroes may outperform the current AMD line but I haven't seen benchmarks comparing the mid-range C2D chips with AMD's faster chips (in the same price range). For the price of a 5000+ (~$300) I see two choices in C2D. A 2.13 Ghz E6400 for $260, or a 2.4 Ghz E6600 for $360. Are these really that much better (read: faster, more OC'able, cooler, less power-hungry, etc) than the 5000+?

I'm in the market to build a new system right now so I'm trying to cut through the Intel rah-rah and get facts on which to base a decision. For the price target I see nothing inherently wrong with AM2, and the 5000+ seems like a good option. I'd be interested in reasons why I should consider a C2D.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: addylo
Help me out here. Can someone please explain why building a new AMD AM2 box now is such a bad idea? I'm not knocking Conroe (having been an Intel guy up to now), but why is it a better deal for the money than AMD?

Two things strike me:

1) Conroe is still brand new, no time yet to shake out the bugs. I'm not after bleeding-edge performance, I just want a fast, stable system. Whatever I get has to perform better than my current 2.4Ghz P4 to be worth the money.
2) The higher-end/$ Conroes may outperform the current AMD line but I haven't seen benchmarks comparing the mid-range C2D chips with AMD's faster chips (in the same price range). For the price of a 5000+ (~$300) I see two choices in C2D. A 2.13 Ghz E6400 for $260, or a 2.4 Ghz E6600 for $360. Are these really that much better (read: faster, more OC'able, cooler, less power-hungry, etc) than the 5000+?

I'm in the market to build a new system right now so I'm trying to cut through the Intel rah-rah and get facts on which to base a decision. For the price target I see nothing inherently wrong with AM2, and the 5000+ seems like a good option. I'd be interested in reasons why I should consider a C2D.

You'll get a ton of fanatics in here asking that. To be honest I don't see a problem going with Am2. The motherboards are alot cheaper that's for sure. The main reason ppl are getting C2d is because it's new, it's currently the fastest, and they can overclock it.

What I don't understand is when the A64 platform was clearly much superior to the Intel P4D Platform nobody would make fun of anyone buying a P4D system. Now things are reveased and EVERYONE is saying "you're dumb if you buy AMD blah blah". Feel me?

 

[Pederv]

Originally posted by: addylo
Help me out here. Can someone please explain why building a new AMD AM2 box now is such a bad idea? I'm not knocking Conroe (having been an Intel guy up to now), but why is it a better deal for the money than AMD?

Two things strike me:

1) Conroe is still brand new, no time yet to shake out the bugs. I'm not after bleeding-edge performance, I just want a fast, stable system. Whatever I get has to perform better than my current 2.4Ghz P4 to be worth the money.
2) The higher-end/$ Conroes may outperform the current AMD line but I haven't seen benchmarks comparing the mid-range C2D chips with AMD's faster chips (in the same price range). For the price of a 5000+ (~$300) I see two choices in C2D. A 2.13 Ghz E6400 for $260, or a 2.4 Ghz E6600 for $360. Are these really that much better (read: faster, more OC'able, cooler, less power-hungry, etc) than the 5000+?

I'm in the market to build a new system right now so I'm trying to cut through the Intel rah-rah and get facts on which to base a decision. For the price target I see nothing inherently wrong with AM2, and the 5000+ seems like a good option. I'd be interested in reasons why I should consider a C2D.

There's nothing wrong with going with an AM2 system.
It has more platform options available, it is readily available, it has a competative price/performance ratio. Up until a couple months ago they were thought to be the fastest systems around.
Until C2D systems are more readily available in the retail market, an AM2 system will be the most affordable high end system.

 

[Bull Dog]

Originally posted by: coldpower27
Well the only people that would be considering the 5000+ would be the people already on Socket AM2 which aren't that many at this point in time atl eats not if your looking at a 5000+.

To my knowledge the 2x1MB chips are the ones that are discontinued, short of the upcoming 5200+ and FX-62. The 5000+ is still being produced unless you can provide documentation to support your claim that 5000+ has been discontinued.

Umm Hellooooo........the 5000+ is a 512KBx2 part.