670 Reviews are up

[exar333]

Wow, the 670 is a fantastic card. Custom ones will be a HTPC's dream. Finally proper gaming in a small case. This card made the 7970 and 7950 irrelevant, and the 680 is a hard buy now.

Can't wait to see the lower end cards for 250.

This.

I think I stated it another thread, but there is little reason to get anything other than a GTX 670 or AMD 7850 for >$200 GPUs. They are both amazing, and blow most other cards away in a similar price-range.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Wow, the 670 is a fantastic card. Custom ones will be a HTPC's dream. Finally proper gaming in a small case. This card made the 7970 and 7950 irrelevant, and the 680 is a hard buy now.

Can't wait to see the lower end cards for 250.

HTPC should use IGP. Small gaming boxes I wouldnt call HTPC, but SFF

 

[Jaydip]

This.

I think I stated it another thread, but there is little reason to get anything other than a GTX 670 or AMD 7850 for >$200 GPUs. They are both amazing, and blow most other cards away in a similar price-range.

Regarding 7950 I agree,but 7970 is still a faster card than 670.

 

[exar333]

Regarding 7950 I agree,but 7970 is still a faster card than 670.

Agreed, but at almost a $100 cheaper, its a much better buy vs. 7970 or 680.

 

[Jaydip]

Agreed, but at almost a $100 cheaper, its a much better buy vs. 7970 or 680.

Well the non reference ones are getting pretty close to 7970 reference territory.I think the sweet spot would be 379$ for the 670.

 

[guskline]

I see that I got the correct card for my resolution lol. Plus my 7970 has plenty of OC headroom.

I agree with you Blastingcap. I was real close to a 7970 when I found a 680. What I found interesting is that EVGA has a 4g Vram 670 on its web page for retail of $489. That would be interesting for us that have multi monitors.

 

[Subyman]

Regarding 7950 I agree,but 7970 is still a faster card than 670.

Depends on the game, the market the 670 is targeting is the 1080p crowd. In that case the 7970 takes Metro and Crysis while the 670 takes BF3, Skyrim, Dirt 3, Batman, Shogun 2, Starcraft II and Portal 2. Jump up to 1600p and the 670 still beats the 7970 in BF3, SCII, Skyrim, Batman, and Portal 2. I don't know about you, but I think most people are interested in the games that the 670 does well in. When you go up to triple screens and higher resolutions, then the 680 4GB and the 7970 make more sense, but most gamers aren't playing at those resolutions or setups.

These stats are from the anandtech review.

 

[guskline]

I love these forums for all the locker room talk like this one "blows that one away". It's clear to me that as you get into the higher end cards the performance overall is very good with one card edging the other in one game and so on. My problem is its hard to actually try to guage performance without buying the various high end cards. The big box stores don't carry them and the small computer shops can't afford to carry them.

I do appreciate reviewers who try competing cards with an assortment of games.
I also like that more reviewers are trying the high end cards on multiple monitors.

You won't hear me say " my 680 GTX" blows away "his/her 7970" because it's simply not true.

 

[Jaydip]

Depends on the game, the market the 670 is targeting is the 1080p crowd. In that case the 7970 takes Metro and Crysis while the 670 takes BF3, Skyrim, Dirt 3, Batman, Shogun 2, Starcraft II and Portal 2. Jump up to 1600p and the 670 still beats the 7970 in BF3, SCII, Skyrim, Batman, and Portal 2. I don't know about you, but I think most people are interested in the games that the 670 does well in. When you go up to triple screens and higher resolutions, then the 680 4GB and the 7970 make more sense, but most gamers aren't playing at those resolutions or setups.

These stats are from the anandtech review.

I agree to ur points but 7970 scales very well to oc.I never ever buy a card based on its oc potential but for some people it does matter.Now if we consider NVs dev relations then 670 is going to score more wins over 7970 during its lifetime.I think it really depends on ur priorities.

 

[Piano Man]

So basically 7970 performance at 7950 pricing and it can match the 680 when OC'd, and it appears to be limited by the boards ref design/cooling/voltage setup. Can't wait for custom PCB setups. I bet these things will smoke (hopefully not literally).

AMD needs to bring the 7970 to 400, 7950 to 350. They'll probably on go down to 420 and 370 though.

Well, AMD has lost another customer it seems because of their ridiculous pricing. If the story reads the same once the custom 670s come out, I'm definitely going with nV this time around.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Depends on the game, the market the 670 is targeting is the 1080p crowd. In that case the 7970 takes Metro and Crysis while the 670 takes BF3, Skyrim, Dirt 3, Batman, Shogun 2, Starcraft II and Portal 2. Jump up to 1600p and the 670 still beats the 7970 in BF3, SCII, Skyrim, Batman, and Portal 2. I don't know about you, but I think most people are interested in the games that the 670 does well in. When you go up to triple screens and higher resolutions, then the 680 4GB and the 7970 make more sense, but most gamers aren't playing at those resolutions or setups.

These stats are from the anandtech review.

STOCK VS STOCK 1080p

BF3 TIE, http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_670/9.html

SC2 TIE
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_670/20.html

Skyrim TIE
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_670/22.html

Dirt 3, irrelevant when FPS > 120


batman, 10% faster at stock but not faster when oced, besides same experience same settings

Portal 2, so high that it is irrelevant.

None of the games you pointed favors the 670 even at stock, except Batman which is not even noticeable.

And once both are overclocked, The tie is converted into a 10%+ lead for 7970.

If the 7970 becomes $450, then 670 will face very stiff competition at $400, and might want to reduce pricing a bit further to be truly VFM. But at $480 7970 is okay but difficult to sell.

 

[exar333]

So basically 7970 performance at 7950 pricing and it can match the 680 when OC'd, and it appears to be limited by the boards ref design/cooling/voltage setup. Can't wait for custom PCB setups. I bet these things will smoke (hopefully not literally).

AMD needs to bring the 7970 to 400, 7950 to 350. They'll probably on go down to 420 and 370 though.

Well, AMD has lost another customer it seems because of their ridiculous pricing. If the story reads the same once the custom 670s come out, I'm definitely going with nV this time around.

AMD is pretty unique when it comes to pricing for both CPUs and GPUs. Instead of walking the middle-road and pricing competitively, they either go WAY low (4xxx series) or WAY high (7xxx) series. CPU prices has also been relatively high recently, with some reductions done in the last month to make them more competitive. Overall, they should be aggressive with pricing (when it makes sense) but adaptive enough to adjust to the market and stay relative, when it counts.

I agree with your pricing ideas. $350 and $420 would be just about perfect IMHO.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

420 is too less for 7970. Any unbiased buyer would never pick a 670 at 400 if 7970 is 420, however the market isn't of unbiased buyers.

But anyway, 450 for reference is fair, and even 500 isn't unfair just with AMD's rep it would be hard to sell, but still fair.

7950 should be $350 tho

 

[Shaolinmonkk]

They're not on newegg yet. WTF NEWEGG

Only graph I care about and it SMOKES the 7970. Time to drop prices amd

yes they are on Newegg.com its about 10 of them http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...20600%20series

 

[sontin]

420 is too less for 7970. Any unbiased buyer would never pick a 670 at 400 if 7970 is 420, however the market isn't of unbiased buyers.

But anyway, 450 for reference is fair, and even 500 isn't unfair just with AMD's rep it would be hard to sell, but still fair.

7950 should be $350 tho

An "unbiased" buyer will not buy a 7970 reference design:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...ce-gtx-670/9/#abschnitt_kuehlung__lautstaerke

You should listen to the samples. They recorded them 30cm in front of a closed case.
AMD has a huge problem with their reference design. And with companies like Gigabyte which are selling their custom card for MRSP there is no reason to buy a 7970 at all.

 

[TestKing123]

420 is too less for 7970. Any unbiased buyer would never pick a 670 at 400 if 7970 is 420, however the market isn't of unbiased buyers.

But anyway, 450 for reference is fair, and even 500 isn't unfair just with AMD's rep it would be hard to sell, but still fair.

7950 should be $350 tho

And why would that be? A custom PCB 670 is faster than a 7970, regardless of price.

 

[exar333]

420 is too less for 7970. Any unbiased buyer would never pick a 670 at 400 if 7970 is 420, however the market isn't of unbiased buyers.

But anyway, 450 for reference is fair, and even 500 isn't unfair just with AMD's rep it would be hard to sell, but still fair.

7950 should be $350 tho

Somewhat agree. I tend to think AMD has to be a bit aggressive with their pricing. Many high-end buyers do their homework, but NV really does dominate the mind of a lot of unbiased (or probably more correct 'uninformed') buyers who choose NV if all else is equal.

 

[Don Karnage]

420 is too less for 7970. Any unbiased buyer would never pick a 670 at 400 if 7970 is 420, however the market isn't of unbiased buyers.

But anyway, 450 for reference is fair, and even 500 isn't unfair just with AMD's rep it would be hard to sell, but still fair.

7950 should be $350 tho

The 7970 needs to be 419.99. No doubt is left in my mind after seeing the benchmarks. 7950 has to come down to 349 as well as the 7870 to 299.99. The 670 at 399 has just made the 7970, 7950 and 7870 irrelevant at current prices

 

[aaksheytalwar]

And why would that be? A custom PCB 670 is faster than a 7970, regardless of price.

Nope, it isn't. A 670 box oc is as fast as 797@ reference. But 7970 box oc is faster and who cares about box oc anyway. Oc 7970 is at least as fast as 680 oc at least. Period

 

[MentalIlness]

http://techreport.com/articles.x/22922

 

[aaksheytalwar]

There were just 4 games, too less

In two 670 wins by a decent margin, in 1 they tie, in 1 7970 blows it away equaling the two smaller wins. And the 7979 win is bf3. So about equal. I rest my case

 

[exar333]

Nope, it isn't. A 670 box oc is as fast as 797@ reference. But 7970 box oc is faster and who cares about box oc anyway. Oc 7970 is at least as fast as 680 oc at least. Period

Look at Tom's review. 670 is faster in 5/6 games vs. the 7970. Stock vs. stock, 670/7970 are a wash.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-review,3200-15.html

Edit: Data is from 1080P resolution

 

[guskline]

Piano Man, I agree. By the early release of its 7000 series, AMD clearly got the jump. They made some serious $$ on the 7970 series but the release of the 670 at @$80 less ($399 vs $479) puts AMD in a tough position as time goes on. If Nvidia had enough 680s at $499 it would have been a dog fight. This has turned into a "battle royale" for high end video card users. BTW, 690 users are excluded. Fabulous card but UBER expensive.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Faster in crysis2 and 1-2 other games where both get 60+ fps so it doesn't matter. Overall stock vs stock it is a tie, 7970 is just 5% or so faster and. Only at 1440p or above. But once both are overclocked 7970 is faster, hence it is a better card.

 

[Face2Face]

After seeing how the GTX 670 performs, the GTX 660 is going to be an awesome card. I hope at a $250-$300 price point.