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[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Stating that she her education or knowledge of the subject is lacking is fine, but bringing in your bigotry and hatred to discredit her statements is not.

It's not bigotry. Again, let me ask you: what would you think if Saddam Hussain decides to write the "Bible on Human Rights"?

Answer the question and you will understand what I'm trying to say.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Stating that she her education or knowledge of the subject is lacking is fine, but bringing in your bigotry and hatred to discredit her statements is not.

It's not bigotry. Again, let me ask you: what would you think if Saddam Hussain decides to write the "Bible on Human Rights"?

Answer the question and you will understand what I'm trying to say.

It's not a comparable situation. You're comparing a homosexual person to a murderous dictator. Congratulations. Sure, it's not bigotry. :roll:

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Stating that she her education or knowledge of the subject is lacking is fine, but bringing in your bigotry and hatred to discredit her statements is not.

It's not bigotry. Again, let me ask you: what would you think if Saddam Hussain decides to write the "Bible on Human Rights"?

Answer the question and you will understand what I'm trying to say.

It's not a comparable situation. You're comparing a homosexual person to a murderous dictator. Congratulations. Sure, it's not bigotry. :roll:

Yes, the two are not comparable and neither am I trying to compare them. But I'm trying to use this analogy to explain something to you.

Her being a homosexual in itself is NOT the problem. Her being a homosexual and WRITING A BOOK on Islam claiming to be a Muslim is.

Imagine Saddam (with his illustrious past) trying to uphold and explain international human rights ... Thus the analogy.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda
Yes, the two are not comparable and neither am I trying to compare them. But I'm trying to use this analogy to explain something to you.

Her being a homosexual in itself is NOT the problem. Her being a homosexual and WRITING A BOOK on Islam claiming to be a Muslim is.

Imagine Saddam (with his illustrious past) trying to uphold and explain international human rights ... Thus the analogy.

That analogy isn't comparable - that's what I'm trying to say.

There is nothing wrong with being a homosexual and writing a book about any religion. You are comparing the two situations by saying being homosexual discredits a person's writings in regards to religions, just as Saddam's past discredits his stance on human rights.

A homosexual does not automatically become discredited. What a horrible and discriminatory thing to say.

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
A homosexual does not automatically become discredited.

That's right. Not if he or she decides to write a book on Islam as a Muslim! You still haven't read my first post in this thread.

Read it and make the connection.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
A homosexual does not automatically become discredited.

That's right. Not if he or she decides to write a book on Islam as a Muslim! You still haven't read my first post in this thread.

Read it and make the connection.

You're still not understanding my point - push the bigotry out of the way! There is no reason for a homosexual person to be discredited from writing about religion, even if the person says he or she is a member of that religion. Who are you to judge who is a member of a religion or not?

This is nothing like your disgusting Saddam analogy.

 

[Snoop]

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Stating that she her education or knowledge of the subject is lacking is fine, but bringing in your bigotry and hatred to discredit her statements is not.

It's not bigotry. Again, let me ask you: what would you think if Saddam Hussain decides to write the "Bible on Human Rights"?

Answer the question and you will understand what I'm trying to say.

It's not a comparable situation. You're comparing a homosexual person to a murderous dictator. Congratulations. Sure, it's not bigotry. :roll:

Yes, the two are not comparable and neither am I trying to compare them. But I'm trying to use this analogy to explain something to you.

Her being a homosexual in itself is NOT the problem. Her being a homosexual and WRITING A BOOK on Islam claiming to be a Muslim is.

Imagine Saddam (with his illustrious past) trying to uphold and explain international human rights ... Thus the analogy.

Barracuda, are there any other topics besides the Muslim religion which you believe homosexuals are unqualified to write on?

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
There is no reason for a homosexual person to be discredited from writing about religion, even if the person says he or she is a member of that religion. Who are you to judge who is a member of a religion or not?

I hoped it wouldn't come to this. Maybe I should have done this earlier.

Homosexuality is AGAINST Islam. One CANNOT be a Muslim if he/she is a homosexual. I am not saying this, God is! I am not judging anybody, God is! There are clear and unmistakable verses in the Qur'an which give grave warnings and eternal damnation for homosexual acts.

You can't pick and choose in Islam. The Qur'an requires a Muslim to be a COMPLETE MUSLIM. As a Muslim, you can't read the Qur'an and skip the parts you don't like. There's no choice when it comes to fundamental beliefs!

If one still insists on picking and choosing, he or she is a hypocrite. Manji claims to be a "Muslim" but doesn't know (or knows but wants to ignore) that a Muslim is never a homosexual. That makes her anything but a Muslim. Get it?

Hypocrite: n, a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold.

If one claims to be a Muslim, and does not believe fully in the Qur'an (including the prohibition of homosexuality), then he or she is not a Muslim, but a hypocrite.

That is what I said in my first post.

Now if you want to bash Islam because it prohibits homosexuality or whatever, do it in some other thread. That is an ENTIRELY different argument.

Point proven: you can't claim to be a Muslim if you are a homosexual.

Is that clear or do you want me to simplify that?

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: Snoop
Barracuda, are there any other topics besides the Muslim religion which you believe homosexuals are unqualified to write on?

Read the post before this one.

They can write whatever they want for all I care. Even on Islam, as long as they don't claim to be a Muslim.

It is as simple as that.

This goes for all of those groups who claim to be Muslim but choose to ignore the fundamentals of Islam!

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
There is no reason for a homosexual person to be discredited from writing about religion, even if the person says he or she is a member of that religion. Who are you to judge who is a member of a religion or not?

I hoped it wouldn't come to this. Maybe I should have done this earlier.

Homosexuality is AGAINST Islam. One CANNOT be a Muslim if he/she is a homosexual. I am not saying this, God is! I am not judging anybody, God is! There are clear and unmistakable verses in the Qur'an which give grave warnings and eternal damnation for homosexual acts.

You can't pick and choose in Islam. The Qur'an requires a Muslim to be a COMPLETE MUSLIM. As a Muslim, you can't read the Qur'an and skip the parts you don't like. There's no choice when it comes to fundamental beliefs!

If one still insists on picking and choosing, he or she is a hypocrite. Manji claims to be a "Muslim" but doesn't know (or knows but wants to ignore) that a Muslim is never a homosexual. That makes her anything but a Muslim. Get it?

Hypocrite: n, a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold.

If one claims to be a Muslim, and does not believe fully in the Qur'an (including the prohibition of homosexuality), then he or she is not a Muslim, but a hypocrite.

That is what I said in my first post.

Now if you want to bash Islam because it prohibits homosexuality or whatever, do it in some other thread. That is an ENTIRELY different argument.

Point proven: you can't claim to be a Muslim if you are a homosexual.

Is that clear or do you want me to simplify that?

 

[NeenerNeener]

Sounds disturbingliy familiar to fundamentalist Christian teachings that I've heard.

 

[NeenerNeener]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
There is no reason for a homosexual person to be discredited from writing about religion, even if the person says he or she is a member of that religion. Who are you to judge who is a member of a religion or not?

I hoped it wouldn't come to this. Maybe I should have done this earlier.

Homosexuality is AGAINST Islam. One CANNOT be a Muslim if he/she is a homosexual. I am not saying this, God is! I am not judging anybody, God is! There are clear and unmistakable verses in the Qur'an which give grave warnings and eternal damnation for homosexual acts.

You can't pick and choose in Islam. The Qur'an requires a Muslim to be a COMPLETE MUSLIM. As a Muslim, you can't read the Qur'an and skip the parts you don't like. There's no choice when it comes to fundamental beliefs!

If one still insists on picking and choosing, he or she is a hypocrite. Manji claims to be a "Muslim" but doesn't know (or knows but wants to ignore) that a Muslim is never a homosexual. That makes her anything but a Muslim. Get it?

Hypocrite: n, a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold.

If one claims to be a Muslim, and does not believe fully in the Qur'an (including the prohibition of homosexuality), then he or she is not a Muslim, but a hypocrite.

That is what I said in my first post.

Now if you want to bash Islam because it prohibits homosexuality or whatever, do it in some other thread. That is an ENTIRELY different argument.

Point proven: you can't claim to be a Muslim if you are a homosexual.

Is that clear or do you want me to simplify that?

And no Muslim disagrees with you?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
There is no reason for a homosexual person to be discredited from writing about religion, even if the person says he or she is a member of that religion. Who are you to judge who is a member of a religion or not?

I hoped it wouldn't come to this. Maybe I should have done this earlier.

Homosexuality is AGAINST Islam. One CANNOT be a Muslim if he/she is a homosexual. I am not saying this, God is! I am not judging anybody, God is! There are clear and unmistakable verses in the Qur'an which give grave warnings and eternal damnation for homosexual acts.

You can't pick and choose in Islam. The Qur'an requires a Muslim to be a COMPLETE MUSLIM. As a Muslim, you can't read the Qur'an and skip the parts you don't like. There's no choice when it comes to fundamental beliefs!

If one still insists on picking and choosing, he or she is a hypocrite. Manji claims to be a "Muslim" but doesn't know (or knows but wants to ignore) that a Muslim is never a homosexual. That makes her anything but a Muslim. Get it?

Hypocrite: n, a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold.

If one claims to be a Muslim, and does not believe fully in the Qur'an (including the prohibition of homosexuality), then he or she is not a Muslim, but a hypocrite.

That is what I said in my first post.

Now if you want to bash Islam because it prohibits homosexuality or whatever, do it in some other thread. That is an ENTIRELY different argument.

Point proven: you can't claim to be a Muslim if you are a homosexual.

Is that clear or do you want me to simplify that?

You can be Muslim if you are homosexual if you want to be. Plenty of Muslims, including the one in my sig, do not follow every aspect of Islam exactly. Perhaps she has her own interpretation of parts of it.

You can call it hypocritical if you wish. However, that doesn't mean that such a person is automatically discredited from speaking about Islam. That's just your homophobia talking.

 

[mOeeOm]

If you are Muslim, you follow 100% of the Quran and live by its teachings. If you do not follow it all and pick and choose, you are not a Muslim. In the Quran it clearly states homosexuals are not Muslims and going to hell, therefore this lady is not Muslim and going to hell for being a homosexual. If you try to change the Quran(like the Christians changed their bible to no end), then you are changing the word of God, and going to hell.

Understand?

 

[mOeeOm]

And no Muslim disagrees with you?

They are not Muslim if they disagree. You cannot pick and choose in Islam what you like. And Homosexuals go to hell and are not Muslim, as clearly outlined in the Quran.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
There is no reason for a homosexual person to be discredited from writing about religion, even if the person says he or she is a member of that religion. Who are you to judge who is a member of a religion or not?

I hoped it wouldn't come to this. Maybe I should have done this earlier.

Homosexuality is AGAINST Islam. One CANNOT be a Muslim if he/she is a homosexual. I am not saying this, God is! I am not judging anybody, God is! There are clear and unmistakable verses in the Qur'an which give grave warnings and eternal damnation for homosexual acts.

You can't pick and choose in Islam. The Qur'an requires a Muslim to be a COMPLETE MUSLIM. As a Muslim, you can't read the Qur'an and skip the parts you don't like. There's no choice when it comes to fundamental beliefs!

If one still insists on picking and choosing, he or she is a hypocrite. Manji claims to be a "Muslim" but doesn't know (or knows but wants to ignore) that a Muslim is never a homosexual. That makes her anything but a Muslim. Get it?

Hypocrite: n, a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold.

If one claims to be a Muslim, and does not believe fully in the Qur'an (including the prohibition of homosexuality), then he or she is not a Muslim, but a hypocrite.

That is what I said in my first post.

Now if you want to bash Islam because it prohibits homosexuality or whatever, do it in some other thread. That is an ENTIRELY different argument.

Point proven: you can't claim to be a Muslim if you are a homosexual.

Is that clear or do you want me to simplify that?

You can be Muslim if you are homosexual if you want to be. Plenty of Muslims, including the one in my sig, do not follow every aspect of Islam exactly. Perhaps she has her own interpretation of parts of it.

You can call it hypocritical if you wish. However, that doesn't mean that such a person is automatically discredited from speaking about Islam. That's just your homophobia talking.

No. It is like saying black is white. There are clear, un-ambigous verses in the Qu'ran establishing that homosexuality is a sin. It is a Western thought that you can pick and choose what you want in religion. One can be homosexual, but not practice it; that would be acceptable.

Islam is both a spiritual religion and a religion orientated on rules and regulations. You can't take the spiritual portions and cut out the rules.

Just because you don't want to dress modestly doesn't mean you can disregard that verse.
Just because you want to collect interest on your paycheck doesn't mean you can disregard that verse.
Just because you want to drink alcohol and eat pork doesn't mean you can disregard that verse.
Ad Nausem.

 

[mOeeOm]

Sorry to all of you homosexuals...but God has spoken, and being a homosexual is a sin and you will burn in hell for it. We are not judging you, we are not homophobic, we are not bigots....God judged you as abnormal, and we follow God's judgement because God is greater than all. So soooooooooooooooory.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Sorry to all of you homosexuals...but God has spoken, and being a homosexual is a sin and you will burn in hell for it. We are not judging you, we are not homophobic, we are not bigots....God judged you as abnormal, and we follow God's judgement because God is greater than all. So soooooooooooooooory.

This is beyond hilarious. :laugh:

'You are going to burn in hell fire! - Oh by the way, we're not bigots! Have fun dying in the flames of Hell. Oh, you're different and deserve it.'

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
No. It is like saying black is white. There are clear, un-ambigous verses in the Qu'ran establishing that homosexuality is a sin. It is a Western thought that you can pick and choose what you want in religion. One can be homosexual, but not practice it; that would be acceptable.

Islam is both a spiritual religion and a religion orientated on rules and regulations. You can't take the spiritual portions and cut out the rules.

Just because you don't want to dress modestly doesn't mean you can disregard that verse.
Just because you want to collect interest on your paycheck doesn't mean you can disregard that verse.
Just because you want to drink alcohol and eat pork doesn't mean you can disregard that verse.
Ad Nausem.

Perhaps she has her own views of Islam and her own perspective, just like many other branches of religions.

The bottom line is that being a homosexual does not automatically discredit anything you say in regards to religion, despite what the hatemongerers wish to think.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
No. It is like saying black is white. There are clear, un-ambigous verses in the Qu'ran establishing that homosexuality is a sin. It is a Western thought that you can pick and choose what you want in religion. One can be homosexual, but not practice it; that would be acceptable.

Islam is both a spiritual religion and a religion orientated on rules and regulations. You can't take the spiritual portions and cut out the rules.

Just because you don't want to dress modestly doesn't mean you can disregard that verse.
Just because you want to collect interest on your paycheck doesn't mean you can disregard that verse.
Just because you want to drink alcohol and eat pork doesn't mean you can disregard that verse.
Ad Nausem.

Perhaps she has her own views of Islam and her own perspective, just like many other branches of religions.

Naw, not Islam, it is the same word of God from 1400 years ago...unlike the Bible/Torah that has been changed by its followers. There is no view point to Islam, everything is clearly outlined. It clearly outlines homosexuals are sinners and no longer Muslims...and will go to hell for all eternity.....how do you have a different viewpoint on something that clear? HOW IS IT POSSIBLE??!?!

Oh and please don't compare us with the other religions...we are the only ones who kept the Quran the way it is. All other religions(especially Christianity) changed their books to no end...

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Sorry to all of you homosexuals...but God has spoken, and being a homosexual is a sin and you will burn in hell for it. We are not judging you, we are not homophobic, we are not bigots....God judged you as abnormal, and we follow God's judgement because God is greater than all. So soooooooooooooooory.

This is beyond hilarious. :laugh:

'You are going to burn in hell fire! - Oh by the way, we're not bigots! Have fun dying in the flames of Hell. Oh, you're different and deserve it.'

Don't blame me I'm just following God's judgement.

Assume for a moment God exists and Islam is the right religion.....now do you see our viewpoint?

I don't consider myself a bigot, I just follow the Quran's teachings to the fullest.....if God judged homosexuals as sinners.....who am IIIIIIIIIII as a lowly mortal to complain?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
No. It is like saying black is white. There are clear, un-ambigous verses in the Qu'ran establishing that homosexuality is a sin. It is a Western thought that you can pick and choose what you want in religion. One can be homosexual, but not practice it; that would be acceptable.

Islam is both a spiritual religion and a religion orientated on rules and regulations. You can't take the spiritual portions and cut out the rules.

Just because you don't want to dress modestly doesn't mean you can disregard that verse.
Just because you want to collect interest on your paycheck doesn't mean you can disregard that verse.
Just because you want to drink alcohol and eat pork doesn't mean you can disregard that verse.
Ad Nausem.

Perhaps she has her own views of Islam and her own perspective, just like many other branches of religions.

Naw, not Islam, it is the same word of God from 1400 years ago...unlike the Bible/Torah that has been changed by its followers. There is no view point to Islam, everything is clearly outlined. It clearly outlines homosexuals are sinners and no longer Muslims...and will go to hell for all eternity.....how do you have a different viewpoint on something that clear? HOW IS IT POSSIBLE??!?!

Oh and please don't compare us with the other religions...we are the only ones who kept the Quran the way it is. All other religions(especially Christianity) changed their books to no end...

I'd say it's very possible depending on the person's perspective.

How do you know that the Quran was not changed anyways?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Sorry to all of you homosexuals...but God has spoken, and being a homosexual is a sin and you will burn in hell for it. We are not judging you, we are not homophobic, we are not bigots....God judged you as abnormal, and we follow God's judgement because God is greater than all. So soooooooooooooooory.

This is beyond hilarious. :laugh:

'You are going to burn in hell fire! - Oh by the way, we're not bigots! Have fun dying in the flames of Hell. Oh, you're different and deserve it.'

Don't blame me I'm just following God's judgement.

Assume for a moment God exists and Islam is the right religion.....now do you see our viewpoint?

I don't consider myself a bigot, I just follow the Quran's teachings to the fullest.....if God judged homosexuals as sinners.....who am IIIIIIIIIII as a lowly mortal to complain?

No, I don't see your point in supporting hatred.

 

[mOeeOm]

No, I don't see your point in supporting hatred.

O...K....wasn't this about gays in Islam argument? :S

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

No, I don't see your point in supporting hatred.

O...K....wasn't this about gays in Islam argument? :S

I simply cannot understand how anyone can be intolerant, discriminatory, and hateful towards entire innocent people.