8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[igor_kavinski]

Quantum Break

Seemed really cool from the gameplay trailers but it's got some engine problem. I don't know how to describe it, other than walking the character feels weird, like the character's feet aren't properly dragging on the ground. I was about a few hours into it and then they released over 100 GB and hours of DLC videos (4K maybe) to fill in more of the story. At that point, I lost interest.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Control is definitely worth it.

My friend who only plays Tomb Raider coz gaming to him is just a huge waste of time, played Control and got hooked.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Seemed really cool from the gameplay trailers but it's got some engine problem. I don't know how to describe it, other than walking the character feels weird, like the character's feet aren't properly dragging on the ground. I was about a few hours into it and then they released over 100 GB and hours of DLC videos (4K maybe) to fill in more of the story. At that point, I lost interest.

- Just realized its not an Xbone exclusive and is on Steam. Tossed it on the ole' wishlist along with the other 200 games that live there. Will pick it up if it drops to $10 or less in one of the upcoming sales.

 

[blckgrffn]

My sons good gaming friend is a huge City Skylines fan. Huge. The biggest Skylines fan. Plays it bigly! (waves hands for emphasis)

Was super excited about Skylines 2.

A year or so ago we upgraded him from a 9600k/1660 vanilla to a 12600k/2060S for a very reasonable sum of money. He wanted a new GPU but with the high price of Ampere (then) and with the Ada stuff coming out that promised to be so much more efficient and maybe another big step up, I found a used 2060S for like $150 locally and he got a mid step up.

But Skylines 2 just chokes out for him on the 2060S. That's its own brand of special, but disapointing.

So I check Microcenter for a 4060ti 16GB, the "natural" upgrade path. 2 gens newer. The right size frame buffer. $500! lmao.

Sigh.

 

[igor_kavinski]

200 games

My Steam library has over 2000. Gonna need 9 lives...

 

[GodisanAtheist]

My Steam library has over 2000. Gonna need 9 lives...

- Just wondering what happens if I try to put my steam library in a trust and pass it on to my kids.

"Son, before I go I just want to say... play Cyberpunk 2077 and let me know if it still sucks ass after update 2.0 *dies*"

 

[Ranulf]

Hmm, so AW2, a $1600 gpu and a 4k monitor means I've got a great ray tracing space heater using up 400w.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Hmm, so AW2, a $1600 gpu and a 4k monitor means I've got a great ray tracing space heater using up 400w.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Hmm, so AW2, a $1600 gpu and a 4k monitor means I've got a great ray tracing space heater using up 400w.

Just get a PS5 and be done with it.

 

[blckgrffn]

Just get a PS5 and be done with it.

That's what I did.

Also, day 1 PS5 Pro purchaser here. Hoping to play titles in 720p/30!

Sorta of joking. Sort of not. FF116 looks great but needs more pixels to really shine. And more frames.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Also, day 1 PS5 Pro purchaser here.

I'm gonna skip that unless Sony promises and forces game developers to make 4K/60 max quality mode mandatory for all PS5 Pro enhanced games.

 

[SolidQ]

Hoping to play titles in 720p/30!

- Quality: FSR2. 1272p used to upcale to 2160p
- Performance. FSR2 872p used to upscale to 1440p

You can play higher!

 

[blckgrffn]

I'm gonna skip that unless Sony promises and forces game developers to make 4K/60 max quality mode mandatory for all PS5 Pro enhanced games.

You're skipping it.

Unless... you like 480p upscaled to 4K?

On topic-ish, my crystal ball indicates that memory won't increase that much in the PS5 Pro that much, maybe to 20GB total. I think the focus will be mostly like the PS4 Pro where the CPU might be tweaked a little - maximum of Zen 3 core updates - and that the focus will be on a 7800XT+ class GPU. Maybe we'll get a bump in local storage, but thinking the upgrade slot still works wonders. I don't think we'll see much if any impact on desktop GPU memory requirements compared to what the base consoles are exerting.

Bigger changes are going to be PS Next and Xbox Next gen updates. 32GB of system memory then? Long live the 3090 and 24GB of vram as a new baseline!

 

[coercitiv]

Hmm, so AW2, a $1600 gpu and a 4k monitor means I've got a great ray tracing space heater using up 400w.

All these years we've been complaining about miners inflating prices and destroying the environment out of pure greed. Now that crypto has faded away, gamers are free to pay inflated prices and waste energy out of pure hubris. Turns out it was never about moral high-ground, only us versus them

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Control is definitely worth it. It's in the top 10% of games I've ever played. It has such a strong identity. I played through on PS5 and it was so solid, and the difficulty options are so gamer friendly. One of the DLC packs is AW1 specific and so I quit playing that as the final DLC on my list it to go play AW.

Of course, that hasn't happened yet, but it could? ha.

Soundtrack is "fire" too - sometimes I still listen to some of the songs on Spotify. That's a truly rare connection for me.

It's inevitable that there will be Control tie-ins and that means I will play AW2 too someday. Just maybe not that close to launch.... a couple years in might mean I am packing more hardware and maybe some concessions on their part to make it run better.

I tried so hard to get into Control and never could. Was amazing graphically and one of the few games I thought RT reflections were worth the performance hit even on my RX 6700 XT, but never got much out of the story and eventually got bored with it. Figured I'd love it since I was a big fan of Quantum Break but never could get Control to click for me even putting about 10-15 hours into it.

 

[SolidQ]

Interesting! RT not fully utilize on AMD?

 

[igor_kavinski]

So a humble RX 6600 at the low settings doesn't look too shabby at all. Very nice.

 

[psolord]

Don't worry. I'm sure @psolord will be around soon to say they were playing it wrong.

Oh yes I will. As a test that video was very informative, I'll give you that. The uploader says, worst case scenarios. However, all tests are 1440p/maxed/settings+RT in some. The 4060ti 8Gb is NOT a card aimed for these settings. I never said you will never have problems with 8GB cards on any res and settings. I only said don't use stupid settings. Now if you think that the 4060ti 8gb is a card aimed for these settings, then we can agree to disagree. Personally I wouldn't even get a 4060ti 16gb for these settings, because it will run out of gpu power anyway, very soon and no amount of vram will save it. But for these specific games, it makes a very good job.

Also, most of these issues would probably go away, if a user would just use dlss. There is a feature that you are paying for and you are not using. Do you need a medal for these decisions (not you, the user)?

So this is a video to highlight the problem, if the user chooses to create it. Whoever got a 4060ti 8GB for 1440p/maxed settings, made a bad choice. If you can find any of my posts, saying that 8GB cards are anything above 1080p, let me know.

I do have a run of the 165euro rx6600, running the notorious TLoU at high 1080p. Is it bad, is it ugly, is it unplayable? No, because I did not use stupid settings. (it's even better now with newer patches)

And yes this one IS one of the games that CAN create problems even at 1080p, even on stronger cards, but overall it's a drop in the ocean.

 

[coercitiv]

Clearly this is a problem induced by the user. Why would the user buy 2 almost identical cards and then change settings arbitrarily to make the game borderline unplayable on one card versus the other? Did they not see the 1080p label on the box? They have 2 boxes already, they must have seen it. Also, did they not see the "Correct settings only" label that clearly tells the user they have not purchased max setting capabilities? The user is very strange, I don't understand the user.



Also, they should enable DLSS and disable RT. DLSS is a feature they paid for and they're not using. DLAA is not a feature. RT is a feature they paid for but they should not use, as specified on the box. It's not hard really, just follow the instructions on the box: 1080p, DLSS Always ON, RT enabled in Minecraft, Frame Gen usage to be decided on a later date (on another box). The user should never have bought that 1440p monitor, it was a stupid decision and a bad choice. They should have seen the forum posts from the future saying 8GB cards are good for 1080p only.

There are many 8GB cards, and they are nothing alike, just like there are thousands of games out there that are nothing alike. The user however, is always the same. I therefore conclude the user is at fault, and not fit for 1440p. /s

 

[psolord]

Settings are there to be applied per game and per card mate. They are meant to solve problems, not create them.

If you use settings to choke a card, this is a non argument.

 

[igor_kavinski]

If you use settings to choke a card, this is a non argument.

No wonder gamers have gf problems

"You tried to choke me!"

"I'm sorry! I was just testing the Ultra setting."

 

[coercitiv]

Settings are there to be applied per game and per card mate. They are meant to solve problems, not create them.

Yes mate, exactly. So when one card handles the settings just fine, averaging close to 60FPS with a steady frame time, then the settings are "correct" even if it means 1440p DLAA RT FG enabled. It may not be my preference or yours, but we don't get to call them stupid settings. Being able to play the game with reduced settings is not the same as "8GB is enough".

Who exactly gets to say the 4060Ti must be used at 1080p with reduced settings when a game like Far Cry 6 produces these figures at 1440p Ultra with HD Texture Pack and RT?

 

[psolord]

Cards with no mesh shaders are not "officially supported". They didn't say they will outright not work at all. I have a 2500K on one of my systems, that is not officially supported for more than five years now, in most games and yet, it runs games just fine.

Uncharted 4 was not even running at launch, on non AVX2 cpus and the community snapped at the devs. A few patches later, it runs like a champ, at Ultra preset mind you. Here's a non monetized video I uploaded a couple days ago.

Quoting myself, seems Alan Wake 2, runs without mesh shaders.

 

[coercitiv]

Runs without mesh shaders but 5700XT in particular is considered unplayable. Tim says performance is anywhere from 20 to 50 FPS depending on area. He has a chart half-way through the video, showing 5700XT struggle even with FSR2 enabled.

 

[psolord]

Yes mate, exactly. So when one card handles the settings just fine, averaging close to 60FPS with a steady frame time, then the settings are "correct" even if it means 1440p DLAA RT FG enabled. It may not be my preference or yours, but we don't get to call them stupid settings. Being able to play the game with reduced settings is not the same as "8GB is enough".

Who exactly gets to say the 4060Ti must be used at 1080p with reduced settings when a game like Far Cry 6 produces these figures at 1440p Ultra with HD Texture Pack and RT?

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The settings themselves are not stupid. When I say stupid settings, I mean their usage is stupid, on cards that are not meant for them on specific games.

These two cards, are not at the same price and therefore have a different target group. Some people will get the 8GB for their needs and some others the 16GB for their needs. These needs are NOT the same.

If you use settings that will force the card to render above its capabilities, it will not perform well. That's why there's another model, to accommodate those needs.

Referring to your previous post, yes for the rx6600, it literally says 1080p on the box.



I am not sure what it says on the 3060ti, if it says anything, but it doesn't matter. What matters is that for every 100$, you get a different tier product. You can't just say 8GBs are bad, if you use it for the above tier's product settings.