8 Core Nehalem

[xxceler8]

Can anyone confirm details of intel's next chip. I have read so many conflicting articles.

Some say 09 release, some say mid 08 release. If this is indeed a Native octi-core, with IMC, I might scale down my near future purchase in hopes of pulling the trigger on this 8 core.

 

[GundamF91]

It was suppose to be 4Q08 but with Penrym release delays, it's very likely it'll go into 1Q or 2Q09. Without AMD competition for high end, Intel would be stupid to beat its own products by releasing better Nehalem in 2008.

 

[dmens]

if you want 8 core it will be 2 sockets

 

[xxceler8]

well from what I've read it says native 8 core. This leads me to believe it will be 8 core on one chip..

 

[dmens]

picture shows 4 core:

http://images.anandtech.com/re.../idf/part1/nehalem.jpg

 

[MarcVenice]

that's what I thought, nehalem is going to be a native qaudcore, just like phenom/barcelona, instead of 2 duals glued together ...

 

[dmens]

native quadcore and true quadcore are manufactured marketing concepts because the terms have implications. the real description is a monolithic design.

 

[xxceler8]

http://www.x86watch.com/news/intel-havendale-172.html

taking a look at this..

Octo-Core Nehalem-EX (Beckton): 8 CPU cores, 16 threads, 24MB shared cache, 90/105/130W TDP, 4 QPI links, QPI link controller, integrated memory controller.

no mention of dual socket.. but yes it mentions quad nehalems as well. So maybe they will have both octi and quad?

I plan to make a purchase around march, I'm really going to be pissed if a native octi core comes out a few months later

 

[LightningRider]

From what I've read, there will be variations on the chip. 8-Core CPUs as well as quads. I've also read that there will be versions of Nehalem that will be Socket 775.

I think we'll have to wait closer until the release to find out though. And about the release, I think it will be in earlier part of 2009.

 

[Toadster]

in the Anandtech IDF Article it says

Nehalem: Single die, 8-cores, 731M transistors, 16 threads, memory controller, graphics, amazing.

Intel announced that in its largest configuration, Nehalem (2H 2008, 45nm) will feature 8 cores on a single die, each core supporting 2 threads per core (welcome back Hyper Threading) for a total of 16 threads per physical chip.

 

[21stHermit]

Originally posted by: xxceler8
I plan to make a purchase around march, I'm really going to be pissed if a native octi core comes out a few months later

Given your March time frame, you'll be lucky to score a Yorkfield Quad, much less anything related to Nehalem.

Current speculation is that the end of Q1`08 release of Yorkfield will have a ripple affect on Nehalem. Less for technical reasons, more for marketing reasons.

I wold personally be very surprised if you saw an Octi-core before March 2010. But my crystal ball get very cloudy that far out.

 

[PCTC2]

well, there's going to be 3 new sockets coming out....

 

[palladium]

I wonder what sort of price tag the octo-core processor will come with...

Lots of sources that I've read says Nehalem is due in Q4 2008 but given how Intel likes to delay releases I'd say the mainstream chips are likely to be out in the second half of 2009. Kinda stinks coz I plan to build a Nehalem computer to replace this ancient P4 rig.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: Toadster
in the Anandtech IDF Article it says

Nehalem: Single die, 8-cores, 731M transistors, 16 threads, memory controller, graphics, amazing.

Intel announced that in its largest configuration, Nehalem (2H 2008, 45nm) will feature 8 cores on a single die, each core supporting 2 threads per core (welcome back Hyper Threading) for a total of 16 threads per physical chip.

anand got it wrong

 

[jones377]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: Toadster
in the Anandtech IDF Article it says

Nehalem: Single die, 8-cores, 731M transistors, 16 threads, memory controller, graphics, amazing.

Intel announced that in its largest configuration, Nehalem (2H 2008, 45nm) will feature 8 cores on a single die, each core supporting 2 threads per core (welcome back Hyper Threading) for a total of 16 threads per physical chip.

anand got it wrong

Yes he did. The device described there was the quadcore. Doesn't change the fact that Intel also has an octo-core version of Nehalem coming.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: palladium
I wonder what sort of price tag the octo-core processor will come with...

Lots of sources that I've read says Nehalem is due in Q4 2008 but given how Intel likes to delay releases I'd say the mainstream chips are likely to be out in the second half of 2009. Kinda stinks coz I plan to build a Nehalem computer to replace this ancient P4 rig.

Why wait that long to upgrade? Prices are good, just grab a P35-based mobo, an E2xxx CPU, some cheap DDR2-800, and OC away!

 

[Nathelion]

Personally, I doubt anything Nehalem will actually be on the market until late 2009 or even 2010. Looking at the feature list, it is such a huge step forward from Core 2 that I can't help but think that it'll take a long time to get the kinks out of it. Intel's got to pull off:
- new memory interface
- monolithic quad core (maybe even octo core?). We've seen AMD have some problems with this one.
- integrated graphics
- hyperthreading on a non-P4 arch (this one might be easy though, i don't know).
- absolutely gargantuan die size with all that cache, 45 nm or not.

That's a pretty tall order for anyone.

 

[magreen]

Why does 8 core have to be 2 sockets? It could be two native quad-cores packaged together, just like today's C2Q is two native dual-cores packaged together.

 

[JackPack]

Intel's CEO already confirmed back in September that 8-core Nehalem would be monolithic.

If you look at the die photo of quad-core Nehalem, the four cores are arranged linearly. This makes zero sense in terms of timings. But if Intel mirrored the whole thing for an 8-core device, the whole die would be symmetric, like Barcelona. It's pretty obvious Intel plans to do this.

The only question is when 8-core Nehalem comes out. Right now, it seems like late 2008 or early 2009 for DP systems.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Here is the best info I could get that is reliable. Listen to the pub cast also . Some good insight.

http://www.intel.com/technolog...arch+body_45nm_nehalem

 

[GFORCE100]

Originally posted by: xxceler8
Can anyone confirm details of intel's next chip. I have read so many conflicting articles.

Some say 09 release, some say mid 08 release. If this is indeed a Native octi-core, with IMC, I might scale down my near future purchase in hopes of pulling the trigger on this 8 core.

Nahelm won't be 8 cores until 32nm. Until then Intel will re-enable HT in the Extreme Edition Nahelms.

Unless AMD gets the B3 stepping out, and can scale beyond 3GHz in quantities it can sell them to the retail and OEM channels then Nahelm will be delayed until Q1 2009.

As AMD is really in ill health, expect Intel to slow down with new releases and slip by at least one quarter (i.e. 3 months or more).

 

[xxceler8]

I don't believe Intel's release strategy is based on what AMD has on the market. It just doesn't make sense. Shrinking to 45nm means more chips per wafer, which means a higher profit margin. I would say that mentality is counter to a business mentality. Why would intel be confortable to let amd sit only one step behind. The smart move would be to put another nail in amd's coffin by releasing newer stuff.

Nice guess though.

I would guess it is due to the rumored bug found late in the process. However, with intel's current position, they have the luxury of not being forced to release a buggy chip, like amd was.

 

[jones377]

Intel still has a disadvantage against AMD in the HPC market due to the AMD platform having much more bandwidth in 2 and 4 socket systems. Mind you it is not the whole HPC market and the HPC market is only a part of the whole server market. However I think for this reason, Intel will want to plug this hole with Nehalem as soon as possible. The first Nehalem systems to appear will probably be 2-socket ones for servers and workstations. Desktop processors might be delayed somewhat if AMD continues to fumble around with Phenom.

4+ socket systems have always lagged behind in release-date by about a year when it comes to Intel. Only this fall did they replace Tulsa(netburst based) with Tigerton(65nm core based). The replacement for Tigerton is called Dunnington which is a 45nm derivate of Penryn and it's scheduled for next year. It may still take up to another year or so after that one is released before the first Nehalem version, Beckton, for 4 socket systems is released.

 

[xxceler8]

And I guess we are all assuming intel will not run into any issues going to a monolithic core + adding IMC.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: GFORCE100

Originally posted by: xxceler8
Can anyone confirm details of intel's next chip. I have read so many conflicting articles.

Some say 09 release, some say mid 08 release. If this is indeed a Native octi-core, with IMC, I might scale down my near future purchase in hopes of pulling the trigger on this 8 core.

Nahelm won't be 8 cores until 32nm. Until then Intel will re-enable HT in the Extreme Edition Nahelms.

Unless AMD gets the B3 stepping out, and can scale beyond 3GHz in quantities it can sell them to the retail and OEM channels then Nahelm will be delayed until Q1 2009.

As AMD is really in ill health, expect Intel to slow down with new releases and slip by at least one quarter (i.e. 3 months or more).

Could you show me a link that says 8cores nehalem @32nm only? Please! Thank you!
and a link that says intel will enable H/T in Extreme Edition Nehalems only. AS per your bolded and underlineded statement above qouted.
This Link here says 8 cores @45 no mention of 32nm .

http://www.intel.com/technolog...arch+body_45nm_nehalem