8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It sucks for RDNA2 owners if they're unable to activate raytracing because it's universally disabled for AMD even though it's only RDNA3 that's impacted

This is a good summary of my opinion on amd graphics cards. Good value, good enough card provided you are willing to accept some amd me too features don’t work reliably.

 

[AtenRa]

From the gameGPU review, it seems that Ratchet & Clank : Rift Apart needs more than 8GB Vram even at 1080p when RT is enable.

RTX 3060 12GB faster vs RTX3070 AND RTX4060 again

Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart тест GPU/CPU | Action / FPS / TPS | TEST GPU

Мы выполнили тестирование игры Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart на наивысших параметрах графики, на видеокартах из серий GEFORCE

gamegpu.com

 

[DAPUNISHER]

All those RTX 8GB owners that chose it for the superior ray tracing -

On the bright side: Game scales well. Except those pesky textures. On 4GB at 720p they are super bad. Weird thing is even the 4090 has lower res textures than PS5 on some stuff. That should get patched soon.

Offtopic comment: I want to see this game run on a 8th or 9th gen i3.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

From the gameGPU review, it seems that Ratchet & Clank : Rift Apart needs more than 8GB Vram even at 1080p when RT is enable.

RTX 3060 12GB faster vs RTX3070 AND RTX4060 again

And without RT my 6700 XT up 18.5% on the 3070 Ti and 23% on the 4060 Ti 8GB at 1440p.

 

[SmokSmog]

 

[igor_kavinski]

Instead of a gun, he will just plug the 12VHPWR connector far up where the sun don't shine and press the power button to truly experience "The way it's meant to be™".

 

[DAPUNISHER]

And without RT my 6700 XT up 18.5% on the 3070 Ti and 23% on the 4060 Ti 8GB at 1440p.

You are getting double the fps of a 6600XT in some in game situations at same settings in the TPU testing. Also, 5700XT out performing the 6600 series, it must like the extra memory bandwidth?

W1z has it blowing past 8GB on 1080 max no RT too. -

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/...rt-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/5.html

 

[jpiniero]

From the gameGPU review, it seems that Ratchet & Clank : Rift Apart needs more than 8GB Vram even at 1080p when RT is enable.

I was going to post about that... but it seemed unrealistic that they would be able to do the benchmarks in a couple hours. Doesn't seem like anyone (other than DF possibly) got access to the game before it was made publicly available.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

You are getting double the fps of a 6600XT in some in game situations at same settings in the TPU testing. Also, 5700XT out performing the 6600 series, it must like the extra memory bandwidth?

W1z has it blowing past 8GB on 1080 max no RT too. -

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/...rt-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/5.html

Yeah Gamegpu has the 2080 Ti up a jaw dropping 40% on the 3070 at 1080p without RT in their bench.

 

[BFG10K]

W1z has it blowing past 8GB on 1080 max no RT too. -

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/...rt-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/5.html

Anyone notice AMD's exceptional minimum FPS? 60% higher than NV @ 1080p.

 

[coercitiv]

Anyone notice AMD's exceptional minimum FPS? 60% higher than NV @ 1080p.

They noticed the massive difference in 1% lows in the Techpowerup forum too. One of the posters theorizes that one possible cause is the Direct Storage implementation. I'm not convinced this is the case, in the sense that we'd need more proof than just correlation, but something does make every AMD card starting with 6700Xt perform exceptionally well compared to the competition.

 

[igor_kavinski]

3090

Pixel Rate 189.8 GPixel/s Texture Rate 556.0 GTexel/s FP16 (half) 35.58 TFLOPS (1:1)

6800 XT

Pixel Rate 288.0 GPixel/s Texture Rate 648.0 GTexel/s FP16 (half) 41.47 TFLOPS (2:1)

It's possibly just the developers being able to tap into the higher theoretical perf of the 6800 XT, in this instance?

 

[GodisanAtheist]

TPU has the 4060ti 16GB in their review thanks to reader demand and yep, it's VRAM.

16GB is 30% faster with the exact same die layout. Case closed.

 

[BFG10K]

TPU has the 4060ti 16GB in their review thanks to reader demand and yep, it's VRAM.

16GB is 30% faster with the exact same die layout. Case closed.

Yep, we probably now have two dozen different games in this thread. 24 "anomalies", yo!

We were also repeatedly told Direct Storage would "solve" the VRAM issue but it clearly doesn't, despite the game using 1.2.

What I find interesting is Direct Storage even helps SATA SSDs and HDDs. You clearly don't need a Gen5 furnace to get a benefit.

 

[jpiniero]

TPU has the 4060ti 16GB in their review thanks to reader demand and yep, it's VRAM.

16GB is 30% faster with the exact same die layout. Case closed.

Interesting.. cuz I coulda sworn that I saw footage where there was an 8 GB card being used... and it wasn't stuttering or anything. But it does use GPU resources to do the decompression. So I guess if it's really getting pounded then the decompression could steal resources and hurt the frame rate. If you look the 1% lows it is 9% lower with RT off but still in the 30s even with RT enabled.

The game is also apparently very chatty. Only having 8 lanes, even 4.0 could be hurting performance.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Interesting.. cuz I coulda sworn that I saw footage where there was an 8 GB card being used... and it wasn't stuttering or anything. But it does use GPU resources to do the decompression. So I guess if it's really getting pounded then the decompression could steal resources and hurt the frame rate. If you look the 1% lows it is 9% lower with RT off but still in the 30s even with RT enabled.

The game is also apparently very chatty. Only having 8 lanes, even 4.0 could be hurting performance.

-Yep, so the overarching issue is lack of VRAM, and ultimately how the game deals with it is another thing.

To your point, it doesn't sound like R&C does the old "just use the stand in LOD texture" method, it goes to the hard disk and finds the texture through direct streaming, but that has its own overhead which slows the game down quite a bit (although without the stuttering and hitching).

 

[Ranulf]

Video of the 4060 8GB vs 3060 12GB in Ratchet n' Clank.

 

[SmokSmog]

Video of the 4060 8GB vs 3060 12GB in Ratchet n' Clank.

I was forced to set my textures to high instead of v.high on a 10GB 3080.

You need 12GB for all max without RT and 16GB for all max + RT.

 

[AtenRa]

Video of the 4060 8GB vs 3060 12GB in Ratchet n' Clank.

4060 is a disgrace of a XX60 card, simple as that.

 

[BFG10K]

3080TI 12GB isn't enough for R&C as shown by per-process VRAM and power consumption.

I wonder which of the 20 reasons(tm) none of this is NV's fault. HWUB needs to test the spot he does.

I called it a few pages back. Give it 12 months and 12GB will be a widespread problem. It'll be hilarious to see 4060Ti 16GB run better than 4070TI.

 

[SmokSmog]

It was all planned, Nvidia knew that games made for PS5/XSX wll run out of Vram on anything below 16GB.

BTW Someone, please rename this thread to: The "12GB not enough" thread.

 

[SteinFG]

Don't know if anyone thought about it, but if nvidia actually made GA103 die right from the ampere's start and not shelved it until the end (only releasing laptop 3080 Ti on it), We'd get 8GB on 3080 too 😁

 

[jpiniero]

Don't know if anyone thought about it, but if nvidia actually made GA103 die right from the ampere's start and not shelved it until the end (only releasing laptop 3080 Ti on it), We'd get 8GB on 3080 too 😁

Technically GA103 has 10 memory controllers although no product was ever released using it.

 

[Raydonn]

3080TI 12GB isn't enough for R&C as shown by per-process VRAM and power consumption.

I wonder which of the 20 reasons(tm) none of this is NV's fault. HWUB needs to test the spot he does.

I called it a few pages back. Give it 12 months and 12GB will be a widespread problem. It'll be hilarious to see 4060Ti 16GB run better than 4070TI.

Yeah, if you want to see people bend over backwards to blame anyone but Nvidia for the mess we're in, just go to Resetera where users will deflect any possible reason to suggest Nvidia could be at fault. I've noticed this in every PC performance thread there for a while now which is making me avoid that place entirely for my sanity.

 

[SteinFG]

Technically GA103 has 10 memory controllers although no product was ever released using it.

Huh, you're right. What a weird chip really.