8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[Jaskalas]

You need 12GB for all max without RT and 16GB for all max + RT.

Better not tell 4070Ti owners their $800-$1,000 GPU insufficient for top settings.

 

[Thunder 57]

Seems Nvidia knew memory limits were a thing, and had a 3080 Ti 20GB ready to go...

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Ti With 20GB of VRAM Goes Up for Sale

And it actually works, too.

www.extremetech.com

 

[igor_kavinski]

Seems Nvidia knew memory limits were a thing, and had a 3080 Ti 20GB ready to go...

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Ti With 20GB of VRAM Goes Up for Sale

And it actually works, too.

www.extremetech.com

Proof that Jensen doesn't know who his real dad is.

 

[Thunder 57]

Proof that Jensen doesn't know who his real dad is.

Have you hit the wine already

 

[psolord]

Better not tell 4070Ti owners their $800-$1,000 GPU insufficient for top settings.

Why, is it playable with AMD's 16GB cards at top settings?

Because I don't know, on my rx6600, rt settings are greyed out for the moment. While on my 4070ti, with correct settings, it runs like a boss. Correct settings means dlss and reduced rt settings. yes. So what? It is way ahead of what consoles and amd cards can do at the moment. So my 4070ti is only giving worse experience to Nvidia's better cards, the 4080 and 4090? And I am supposed to be sad?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Why, is it playable with AMD's 16GB cards at top settings?

That's not a good comparison. Your card isn't priced against last gen 16GB Radeons. It's priced against the 20GB 7900XT.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart (PC) im Benchmark-Test: Update mit Radeon-Raytracing

Ratchet & Clank: Benchmarks GPUs/CPUs

www.pcgameshardware.de

1080p with RT


5120x1440 with RT

Yeah. 8GB is totally fine, if you will just throw your card into the dumpster when it starts struggling in a year or two with even more VRAM hungry games. Remember, developers are not gonna scale back the eye candy in their games to appease the peasants.

 

[BFG10K]

Why, is it playable with AMD's 16GB cards at top settings?

Funny you should ask. Here are two 16GB cards that both cost $500. One of them smashes the other almost universally, including with ray tracing.

Guess which one?

Because I don't know, on my rx6600, rt settings are greyed out for the moment. While on my 4070ti, with correct settings, it runs like a boss. Correct settings means dlss and reduced rt settings. yes. So what? It is way ahead of what consoles and amd cards can do at the moment. So my 4070ti is only giving worse experience to Nvidia's better cards, the 4080 and 4090? And I am supposed to be sad?

So your $800 card released in 2023 can play a game with reduced settings? Congratulations I guess...

 

[MrPickins]

Why, is it playable with AMD's 16GB cards at top settings?

Because I don't know, on my rx6600, rt settings are greyed out for the moment. While on my 4070ti, with correct settings, it runs like a boss. Correct settings means dlss and reduced rt settings. yes. So what? It is way ahead of what consoles and amd cards can do at the moment. So my 4070ti is only giving worse experience to Nvidia's better cards, the 4080 and 4090? And I am supposed to be sad?

You shouldn't be comparing your card to AMD's offering. You should be comparing your card to what it could be with an adequate amount of VRAM.

Yes, you should be sad that your (current 70 series) card is unbalanced and bottlenecked already in current games.

 

[igor_kavinski]

So my 4070ti is only giving worse experience to Nvidia's better cards, the 4080 and 4090? And I am supposed to be sad?

You can't know for sure if the texture quality is being degraded due to less VRAM unless you see the game running side by side with something with more VRAM or compare screenshots. But as they say, ignorance is bliss. You might look at some crappy vegetation and think to yourself, they still can't render proper vegetation but someone with 16GB or more VRAM might have no such issue and they will see everything the way the art director of the game intended his/her audience to view.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

And I am supposed to be sad?

Yes, this is ATGC, no happiness is allowed here!

Please check the sidebar for permitted posts and topics:

- Jesus Graphics Cards Are Expensive
- I only got how much RAM?
- Crypto and everyone involved can go die in a fire.
- God damn it, AI is going to be the next Crypto for graphics cards, isn't it?
- *Massive amounts of cope for AMD's inability to execute*
- *Massive amounts of cope for why Nvidia is ripping everyone off*
- Card X just released and its a steaming pile of ****.
- Why didn't proprietary feature Y make it into this game that I have built my whole personality around?!
- Game Z looks like it was released in 2023BCE and still runs at 24 FPS on my [insert $1000+ graphics card here])

and more...

You've been reported to the happiness mod.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

You shouldn't be comparing your card to AMD's offering. You should be comparing your card to what it could be with an adequate amount of VRAM.

Yes, you should be sad that your (current 70 series) card is unbalanced and bottlenecked already in current games.

It's interesting to observe how others determine value. What's important to them, and why.

My POV: $800 for 12GB of vram this late in 2023? I'd have to turn my room into an copium den to not haz a sad.

 

[IEC]

Daniel Owen posted a video "How bad is 8GB of VRAM in 2023?"

Conclusion: If you're paying a good chunk of money for a new graphics card in 2023, ask for more than 8GB of vRAM.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Yep, the 7600 can sort of kind of get away with 8gb of VRAM for a $270 asking price (really should be closer to $230), but there is no universe where an 8gb card should be able to command a $400 price today.

 

[psolord]

You can't know for sure if the texture quality is being degraded due to less VRAM unless you see the game running side by side with something with more VRAM or compare screenshots. But as they say, ignorance is bliss. You might look at some crappy vegetation and think to yourself, they still can't render proper vegetation but someone with 16GB or more VRAM might have no such issue and they will see everything the way the art director of the game intended his/her audience to view.

Here are some screenshots from the initial part of Rachet & Clank for which this discussion started.



These screenshots are at 4k/60/dlss balanced/very high raster/medium rt. As you can see the card is around at ~150W on average, meaning it has another 115W to spare, if need be, on heavier games or heavier scenes . If any other card, can do the same, at 800$ as people here keep mocking, let me know, hmmm....? (don't tell me about the 4070, it cannot go to 265W)


And here is A Plague Tale Requiem which I recently finished at 4k/60/dlss balanced/ultra/no RT. (may contain spoilers)

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It runs the whole game, from start to finish, without missing a beat. As all games I have played so far. I think the 4070ti was worth every penny. Actually it's the cpu that is troubling me with RT, but that is another matter altogether.

No bliss due to ignorance has been applied. There's no need.

 

[psolord]

Yes, this is ATGC, no happiness is allowed here!

Please check the sidebar for permitted posts and topics:

- Jesus Graphics Cards Are Expensive
- I only got how much RAM?
- Crypto and everyone involved can go die in a fire.
- God damn it, AI is going to be the next Crypto for graphics cards, isn't it?
- *Massive amounts of cope for AMD's inability to execute*
- *Massive amounts of cope for why Nvidia is ripping everyone off*
- Card X just released and its a steaming pile of ****.
- Why didn't proprietary feature Y make it into this game that I have built my whole personality around?!
- Game Z looks like it was released in 2023BCE and still runs at 24 FPS on my [insert $1000+ graphics card here])

and more...

You've been reported to the happiness mod.

This whole thread is a "quit having fun" meme. Sorry for being happy.

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@ The rest of the peeps

(edit wtf named himself "the")

There's a lot of fun to be had from 8GB, 12 GB, 16GB or unlimited GB cards. They just need the correct settings. Guys If Nvidia is selling you a 400$ 8GB card, just don't buy it if you think you are being ripped off.

And all that comes form AMD fans mostly. Holy crap they have become super toxic.

PS AMD just released a driver yesterday in order to make RT work properly in Ratchet. That is nice. I need to test my 6600 at ps5 settings now, to see how it fairs. And also I want to see how the 4070ti against the 7900xt fairs and same settings @~150W-200W.

 

[Ranulf]

And all that comes form AMD fans mostly. Holy crap they have become super toxic.

Yeah, its the fans who are out of touch, not the hardware makers keeping prices up.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This whole thread is a "quit having fun" meme. Sorry for being happy.

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@ The rest of the peeps

(edit wtf named himself "the")

There's a lot of fun to be had from 8GB, 12 GB, 16GB or unlimited GB cards. They just need the correct settings. Guys If Nvidia is selling you a 400$ 8GB card, just don't buy it if you think you are being ripped off.

And all that comes form AMD fans mostly. Holy crap they have become super toxic.

PS AMD just released a driver yesterday in order to make RT work properly in Ratchet. That is nice. I need to test my 6600 at ps5 settings now, to see how it fairs. And also I want to see how the 4070ti against the 7900xt fairs and same settings @~150W-200W.

Mostly agreed, we all get far too obsessed about settings. I am glad I gave up chasing high performance years ago. Life is much better just playing a game at a setting that looks fine which in my case is typically medium to low with some settings turned up.
Back to the point being made, nVidia & AMD have become super lazy and just rolling along enjoying their high margins due to mining and now AI. Pretty irritating to spend far more money for a card that offers no noticeable benefits vs the old card. We desperately need a shake up in the video card space. Where that is intel or some other party making either cheaper cards or better cards. This expensive card with little to no benefit over older model card cannot stay.

 

[igor_kavinski]

And also I want to see how the 4070ti against the 7900xt fairs and same settings @~150W-200W.

When did you get the 7900 XT? Or do you already know how 7900 XT fares at 150-200W?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yeah, its the fans who are out of touch, not the hardware makers keeping prices up.

Is that sarcasm? Why should anyone, let alone fans, expect anything less than a good enough reason (vastly superior price/performance ratio) from a new GPU generation? Heck, even Intel is expected to double their iGPU performance with Arrow Lake.

AMD seems content to disappoint. I don't know why Lisa Su hasn't fired anyone yet in the graphics division, unless it was her decisions that led to the RDNA3 fiasco. AMD is pretending that their half hearted GPU efforts in this generation are enough execution from them but really, they have failed to raise the performance bar enough to justify their higher pricing.

Trailing nGreedia is an unacceptable strategy. First they claim that chiplets will lead to lower costs. But then they don't pass on the savings to us. Then their cards have quality control issues. And now, they can't even muster a slightly cut down 7900 as an answer to the 4070 Ti. Why aren't AMD shareholders taking issue with their graphics strategy which simply seems to be, "we will put out some cards, price them a bit less than our primary competitor and hope for the best"? Why aren't heads rolling? What is going on????

The only thing that makes sense to me is that, both AMD and nGreedia have something big planned for their upcoming generation in 2024 so they are just biding their time and riding the wave of mediocrity for the time being. I hope that's true because if their current strategy becomes the norm for the foreseeable future, we will have only Intel to pin our hopes on, for the excitement that was denied to us this year.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Is that sarcasm? Why should anyone, let alone fans, expect anything less than a good enough reason (vastly superior price/performance ratio) from a new GPU generation? Heck, even Intel is expected to double their iGPU performance with Arrow Lake.

AMD seems content to disappoint. I don't know why Lisa Su hasn't fired anyone yet in the graphics division, unless it was her decisions that led to the RDNA3 fiasco. AMD is pretending that their half hearted GPU efforts in this generation are enough execution from them but really, they have failed to raise the performance bar enough to justify their higher pricing.

Trailing nGreedia is an unacceptable strategy. First they claim that chiplets will lead to lower costs. But then they don't pass on the savings to us. Then their cards have quality control issues. And now, they can't even muster a slightly cut down 7900 as an answer to the 4070 Ti. Why aren't AMD shareholders taking issue with their graphics strategy which simply seems to be, "we will put out some cards, price them a bit less than our primary competitor and hope for the best"? Why aren't heads rolling? What is going on????

The only thing that makes sense to me is that, both AMD and nGreedia have something big planned for their upcoming generation in 2024 so they are just biding their time and riding the wave of mediocrity for the time being. I hope that's true because if their current strategy becomes the norm for the foreseeable future, we will have only Intel to pin our hopes on, for the excitement that was denied to us this year.

That’s AMD’s strategy and it has been their strategy since buying ATI. Slightly less performance at a lower cost is their playbook sin graphics.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

This whole thread is a "quit having fun" meme. Sorry for being happy.

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@ The rest of the peeps

(edit wtf named himself "the")

There's a lot of fun to be had from 8GB, 12 GB, 16GB or unlimited GB cards. They just need the correct settings. Guys If Nvidia is selling you a 400$ 8GB card, just don't buy it if you think you are being ripped off.

And all that comes form AMD fans mostly. Holy crap they have become super toxic.

PS AMD just released a driver yesterday in order to make RT work properly in Ratchet. That is nice. I need to test my 6600 at ps5 settings now, to see how it fairs. And also I want to see how the 4070ti against the 7900xt fairs and same settings @~150W-200W.

Happy? It reads like this -

You do you bro. Calling others toxic while defending a trillion dollar company is a bad look though. And LOL at bringing in the performance per watt to the discussion. This is about you having to pay $800 for 12GB. Maybe if you take off your green tinted glasses you'll see we are angry for you, not at you. Some of you that pay the extortion come off like you have Stockholm syndrome.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Is that sarcasm?

- Yeah, I think it was sarcasm.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

That’s AMD’s strategy and it has been their strategy since buying ATI. Slightly less performance at a lower cost is their playbook sin graphics.

Do you want to show us on the Ken doll where AMD touched you?

In this thread we are discussing how 8GB of ram is the new 4GB. We continue to see games coming out where 8GB requires more and more compromises. Only one vendor is charging far too much for ram, guess which? That ray tracing requires more VRAM is the icing on the cake.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Do you want to show us on the Ken doll where AMD touched you?

In this thread we are discussing how 8GB of ram is the new 4GB. We continue to see games coming out where 8GB requires more and more compromises. Only one vendor is charging far too much for ram, guess which? That ray tracing requires more VRAM is the icing on the cake.

No need I am honest, I don't really like amd in the video card space. The place that it broke me was three in a row amd cards failing rather fast. Not saying id never buy one again I am simply tired of their the performance is less but so it the cost and it has a ton of me too features that sort of work and sort of don't work. If they go back to being noticeably less money than the next option that is fine, I can deal with it.