8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[Ranulf]

The stress test ran ok but yeah it wasn't great on the 2060S. I can't remember what fps I was getting at 1080p though.

 

[blckgrffn]

Optimization of the year. Poor 2xxx series

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I am little slow on the uptake - I get that the 2xxx series RTX cards are hung out to dry via these numbers, but is this a benchmark I should care about?

 

[Hitman928]

I am little slow on the uptake - I get that the 2xxx series RTX cards are hung out to dry via these numbers, but is this a benchmark I should care about?

It's a new game.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I am little slow on the uptake - I get that the 2xxx series RTX cards are hung out to dry via these numbers, but is this a benchmark I should care about?

I bought a A380 and it came with Assassins Creed Mirage and Nightingale. I just redeemed my code for the later.

It's a UE5 title -

 

[blckgrffn]

I bought a A380 and it came with Assassins Creed Mirage and Nightingale. I just redeemed my code for the later.

It's a UE5 title -

Gotcha. So we are to take this a sign that RTX 2xxx cards will not fair well with UE5 titles?

 

[psolord]

I am rolling my eyes so hard, that at this point, they are measuring gallons.

How long have a been telling you that all current gpus will cry with UE5, vram being completely irrelevant?

Oh you don't like how Nightingale runs on your 16GB card? You WILL take 1080p at 60fps and you WILL like it.

And no, UE5 ain't bad. It just has the best fidelity out there and this comes at a cost. This is the cost. You will have to upgrade and the vram on your current card, will not save you. Correct settings will though. Luckily UE5 at medium, looks better than other engines at ultra.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Oh you don't like how Nightingale runs on your 16GB card? You WILL take 1080p at 60fps and you WILL like it.

RX 6800 still does quite well compared to the Geforce cards. The owners of these cards may regret the fact that they shunned the RX 6800 even when they could find it cheaper than the Geforce cards unable to match it in this game. But who am I kidding? They will give more of their money to Jensen to get a more powerful card to overcome that disappointment. That's what these gamers do to cope. Just spend as much as possible to keep disappointment away for longer.

 

[DeathReborn]

RX 6800 still does quite well compared to the Geforce cards. The owners of these cards may regret the fact that they shunned the RX 6800 even when they could find it cheaper than the Geforce cards unable to match it in this game. But who am I kidding? They will give more of their money to Jensen to get a more powerful card to overcome that disappointment. That's what these gamers do to cope. Just spend as much as possible to keep disappointment away for longer.

Since I have both the 6800 & a 3080 10GB I will probably buy Nightingale when I get back from holiday, it does look like 4K would be way out of reach but 1440p might be squeakable.

 

[psolord]

RX 6800 still does quite well compared to the Geforce cards. The owners of these cards may regret the fact that they shunned the RX 6800 even when they could find it cheaper than the Geforce cards unable to match it in this game. But who am I kidding? They will give more of their money to Jensen to get a more powerful card to overcome that disappointment. That's what these gamers do to cope. Just spend as much as possible to keep disappointment away for longer.

You are referring to the 8GB geforce cards I take it? Well the 6800 has always been faster than these cards anyway and this was a gpu power characteristic, first and foremost.

I don't think anyone in their mind, would prefer an 8GB geforce, over a 16Gb radeon back then, if the price was close. I know I wouldn't.

This is beside the matter at hand though. Which is, that both these users, will need to upgrade for true high fidelity next gen UE5 and other engines. Vram ain't gonna save you, as I have been saying in this thread since ever.

This thread has been an anti-nvidia meme and nothing else.

 

[igor_kavinski]

This thread has been an anti-nvidia meme and nothing else.

Oh the poor company has done nothing wrong to deserve it, has it? We are all such unfeeling brutes!

 

[psolord]

Oh the poor company has done nothing wrong to deserve it, has it? We are all such unfeeling brutes!

Different matter though. Not a technical one.

 

[Thunder 57]

You are referring to the 8GB geforce cards I take it? Well the 6800 has always been faster than these cards anyway and this was a gpu power characteristic, first and foremost.

I don't think anyone in their mind, would prefer an 8GB geforce, over a 16Gb radeon back then, if the price was close. I know I wouldn't.

This is beside the matter at hand though. Which is, that both these users, will need to upgrade for true high fidelity next gen UE5 and other engines. Vram ain't gonna save you, as I have been saying in this thread since ever.

This thread has been an anti-nvidia meme and nothing else.

Says the guys still running a 12GB 4070 Ti. You probably could have gotten a 7900 XT for a similar price. Screw it though, who needs that extra 8GB of VRAM. Just use the "right settings!".

 

[psolord]

Says the guys still running a 12GB 4070 Ti. You probably could have gotten a 7900 XT for a similar price. Screw it though, who needs that extra 8GB of VRAM. Just use the "right settings!".

For +100 euros for the 7900xt, +new case since I could only fit a dual slot gpu +new psu, no I couldn't have gotten a 7900xt.

The 12GBs are absolutely fine for the 4070ti. The 4070ti already has gpu power problems, while it has zero vram problems. Please stop perceiving vram like an elementary school child.

As for the correct settings, yes they are mandatory for all video cards, even for the 4090, with UE5 on our doorstep.

 

[Thunder 57]

For +100 euros for the 7900xt, +new case since I could only fit a dual slot gpu +new psu, no I couldn't have gotten a 7900xt.

The 12GBs are absolutely fine for the 4070ti. The 4070ti already has gpu power problems, while it has zero vram problems. Please stop perceiving vram like an elementary school child.

As for the correct settings, yes they are mandatory for all video cards, even for the 4090, with UE5 on our doorstep.

Sorry I don't magically know what is capable of fitting in your case. I won't make that mistake again. Anf if you compare launch prices yes the 7900 XT was stupidly overpriced. By the time you got your 4700 Ti though I'd bet they were close. But I guess that depends on your country.

Also, classy.

 

[Saylick]

This thread has been an anti-nvidia meme and nothing else.

Wait... When was it not? I'm confused.

 

[SolidQ]

So don't need anymore mesh shaders?

 

[poke01]

Wait... When was it not? I'm confused.

It always was, very strong anti-nvidia here. See below:

Only Nvidia worshipers.

Its funny how the mods allow these insults, just shows give a pass when the insults are at Nvidia users. Also last I understood "worshiper" is akin to "fanboy". So I learnt we can use worshipers to bypass the word ban for "fanboy" now.

 

[poke01]

So don't need anymore mesh shaders?

Its using DXVK to bypass the GTX 10 series inablity to use DX12 mesh shaders. Quite useful

 

[Saylick]

It always was, very strong anti-nvidia here. See below:

Its funny how the mods allow these insults, just shows give a pass when the insults are at Nvidia users. Also last I understood "worshiper" is akin to "fanboy". So I learnt we can use worshipers to bypass the word ban for "fanboy" now.

I’m not sure if the word fanboy is completely off limits but I think there’s a difference between directly calling someone a fanboy vs. saying the only people who would tolerate 8GB are Nvidia fanboys.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It always was, very strong anti-nvidia here. See below:

Its funny how the mods allow these insults, just shows give a pass when the insults are at Nvidia users. Also last I understood "worshiper" is akin to "fanboy". So I learnt we can use worshipers to bypass the word ban for "fanboy" now.

You just broke multiple forum rules. I am not going to infract you for them because this is a good opportunity to get everyone reading this on the same page. Any further violations of the rules moving forward will be infracted and can result in loss of posting privileges.

Personal insults are not permitted in the tech forums. It is that simple. Fanboy, fan, zealots, worshipers, the list goes on and on. If you see someone using insults towards other members in a post? Report the post. The mod staff does not always see the offending content. Report it and action will be taken.

You can never, ever, callout moderators. Nor question moderation, anywhere other than the moderator discussions forum. So there won't be any more warnings about it.

The rule is attack the post not the poster. Learn it, know it, live it.

This is a Moderator response, not a member response, so do not reply to it.

I’m not sure if the word fanboy is completely off limits but I think there’s a difference between directly calling someone a fanboy vs. saying the only people who would tolerate 8GB are Nvidia fanboys.

As stated above, none of the usages are permitted.

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[coercitiv]

and nothing else.

I still remember your initial claim in this thread, that your interest was purely academic:

I don't mean to antagonize this thread. I have a purely academic interest as a person that follows gpu performances for decades.

Since then you have slowly but surely moved away from discussing facts & figures to labeling settings and comparisons as "stupid", shifting goalposts to avoid admitting anything during debates, accuse folks of behaving like children / sheep /cultists, introduce sarcastic remarks in other threads about this topic, and finally frame the entire issue as monochrome brand bias. In the past 6 months you have progressively revealed a fading interest for honest dialogue and a growing appetite for labeling and blaming others.

You probably saw yourself as the hero in this debate, and yet have played dirty enough to become the villain. Whether you meant what you said or not, you did end up antagonizing this thread. That pure academic interest is lost in a swamp of snark and deflection.

 

[Ranulf]

Maybe its just all of us ranting at the moon made of vram but looking back, 60 pages in the thread now in the last year. Maybe it is just the reality catching up with the theory.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Maybe its just all of us ranting at the moon made of vram but looking back, 60 pages in the thread now in the last year. Maybe it is just the reality catching up with the theory.

Could you elaborate on that further?

Observing how things have shaken out, I don't think 8GB is going to hold back games anymore. I do think owners will increasingly not be enjoying many of the day one experiences. Example: they will release the unoptimized system stranglers like The Last of Us, then as the months go by and they get ROI, there will be the attention necessary to run on just about anything within reason.

 

[BFG10K]

Obviously HWUB were running "the wrong settings" for 4GB. They should've dropped to 480p to prove 8GB isn't needed, yo!

 

[psolord]

I still remember your initial claim in this thread, that your interest was purely academic:

It was purely academic, but friction causes heat, as they say.

Since then you have slowly but surely moved away from discussing facts & figures to labeling settings and comparisons as "stupid", shifting goalposts to avoid admitting anything during debates,

Whenever I tried to post benchmark results, people accused me of posting a splurge of screenshots, too much data, blah blah, and a I will keep believing what I want mentality ensued.

I am not shifting anything. I am just not accepting stupid results. If something runs at 25fps on a 12GB card and 15fps on a 8GB card, these results are useless to me.

accuse folks of behaving like children / sheep /cultists, introduce sarcastic remarks in other threads about this topic,

Like children I said yes. The sheeps and cultists belong to the other side mate, not me.

and finally frame the entire issue as monochrome brand bias.

It is mostly that for the 8GB not enough camp. The Nvidia haters of this thread.

You probably saw yourself as the hero in this debate, and yet have played dirty enough to become the villain. Whether you meant what you said or not, you did end up antagonizing this thread. That pure academic interest is lost in a swamp of snark and deflection.

Saying that the most advanced engines and games, have shown very little vram problems, is not snark and deflection. Starfield, UE5 games, Avatar, Alan Wake 2, are all vram agnostic mostly. GPU power is what matters most. I am not deflecting anything. You are.