9/11 conspiracy theorists multiply

[Number1]

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Quote: A recent Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll of 1,010 Americans found that 36 percent suspect the U.S. government promoted the attacks or intentionally sat on its hands. Sixteen percent believe explosives brought down the towers. Twelve percent believe a cruise missile hit the Pentagon.

The conspiracy theory advocates are gaining ground. Unbelievable.
Soon we will all be wearing a tin hat.

It is sad to think that half the population thinks that their own government is willing to kill thousand of its own citizens to achieve its foreign policy.

Flame suit on.

 

[glugglug]

If you really look at the evidence, occam's razor says the GOP was behind it.

Al Quaeda is the conspiracy theory.

 

[yllus]

Occam's Razor says that the GOP, a group of politicians who couldn't keep their traps shut if they were stapled down, orchestrated the death of 3,000 fellow citizens and managed to keep every single person involved silent.

The CIA, not exactly a stranger to silence, can't keep the existence of overseas prisons a secret.

Yeah. Al Qaeda is the conspiracy theory. If you're a fscking retard.

 

[lokiju]

Polls are useless sources for factual data.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: yllus
Occam's Razor says that the GOP, a group of politicians who couldn't keep their traps shut if they were stapled down, orchestrated the death of 3,000 fellow citizens and managed to keep every single person involved silent.

The CIA, not exactly a stranger to silence, can't keep the existence of overseas prisons a secret.

Yeah. Al Qaeda is the conspiracy theory. If you're a fscking retard.

Bingo.

 

[thraashman]

Originally posted by: yllus
Occam's Razor says that the GOP, a group of politicians who couldn't keep their traps shut if they were stapled down, orchestrated the death of 3,000 fellow citizens and managed to keep every single person involved silent.

The CIA, not exactly a stranger to silence, can't keep the existence of overseas prisons a secret.

Yeah. Al Qaeda is the conspiracy theory. If you're a fscking retard.

Good point, our current government isn't near competent enough to keep this from leaking out if it were true.

I do however think that on 9/11 the government intentionally didn't do more when it could have. Whether from incompetence or some conspiracy, I don't know.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: yllus
Occam's Razor says that the GOP, a group of politicians who couldn't keep their traps shut if they were stapled down, orchestrated the death of 3,000 fellow citizens and managed to keep every single person involved silent.

The CIA, not exactly a stranger to silence, can't keep the existence of overseas prisons a secret.

Yeah. Al Qaeda is the conspiracy theory. If you're a fscking retard.

Well said.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: yllus
Occam's Razor says that the GOP, a group of politicians who couldn't keep their traps shut if they were stapled down, orchestrated the death of 3,000 fellow citizens and managed to keep every single person involved silent.

The CIA, not exactly a stranger to silence, can't keep the existence of overseas prisons a secret.

Yeah. Al Qaeda is the conspiracy theory. If you're a fscking retard.

Good point, our current government isn't near competent enough to keep this from leaking out if it were true.

I do however think that on 9/11 the government intentionally didn't do more when it could have. Whether from incompetence or some conspiracy, I don't know.

If it was due to incompetence, then it was not intentional.

It makes my head hurt when I try to discuss 9/11 conspiracies. They are not based in reality on so many levels.

MotionMan

 

[acemcmac]

There is a very very plausable case for thermite in WTC 1, 2 and 7 and there were dozens of security cameras aimed at the pentigon that would have shown the impact and ended all of the cruise missile talk that the fed's are refusing to release (hotels, gas stations, etc).

These concerns are not baseless and the feds refusing to do anything to quell them only makes them look like they're really hiding something.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: yllus
Yeah. Al Qaeda is the conspiracy theory. If you're a fscking retard.

Amen brotha

Originally posted by: glugglug
If you really look at the evidence, occam's razor says the GOP was behind it.

Al Quaeda is the conspiracy theory.

^^ Presenting fvcking retard numero uno.

The first to post, and most certainly not the last.

I love 9/11 conspiracy asshats

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Although I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories, the poll numbers in this area are, IMO, clearly a by-product of the Bush administration's willingness to engage in all kinds of skullduggery and lie about it. I personally don't believe they have the competence to carry out a plan of this magnitude and keep it secret (and I also don't believe that President Bush, in particular, would green-light the murder of thousands of American civilians), but it's undeniably the case that 9/11 enabled them to carry out the pre-ordained agenda of the PNAC, and there's just no question that that plan was and is the number one agenda item for the Bush presidency.

A lot of well-qualified engineers, academics, and firefighters support a 9/11 conspiracy theory, and I think it's important that we are able to discuss this in a civil way - if anything it annoys me that so many people feel compelled to throw around the "tinfoil hat" barbs, which I think are nonproductive and antithetical to the American right to freedom of speech.

 

[Greenman]

So 36% think the goverment was involved or allowed it to happen, and those same 36% will do nothing but cry about it. No matter how you cut it, the net effect is zero.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Greenman
So 36% think the goverment was involved or allowed it to happen, and those same 36% will do nothing but cry about it. No matter how you cut it, the net effect is zero.

What do you propose they do? Overthrow the government?

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: acemcmac
There is a very very plausable case for thermite in WTC 1, 2 and 7 and there were dozens of security cameras aimed at the pentigon that would have shown the impact and ended all of the cruise missile talk that the fed's are refusing to release (hotels, gas stations, etc).

These concerns are not baseless and the feds refusing to do anything to quell them only makes them look like they're really hiding something.

I've seen tapes. And I've seen highly qualified scientists and video analyst's on the History Channel who were able to slow it down enough to see that it was too big to be anything of the cruise missle sort.

The same was done for the towers' collapse, on the same progrma. Any qualified structural engineer would say the same. And yet you, and other simple Americans think they are better qualified. HTF is their a plausable case for thermite considering I have yet to see a single qualified person raise this theory, only the dim witted conspiracy people.

And to think I used to see intelligence in your posts here. Guess I wasn't paying enough attention

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Greenman
So 36% think the goverment was involved or allowed it to happen, and those same 36% will do nothing but cry about it. No matter how you cut it, the net effect is zero.

What do you propose they do? Overthrow the government?

STFU perhaps?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Greenman
So 36% think the goverment was involved or allowed it to happen, and those same 36% will do nothing but cry about it. No matter how you cut it, the net effect is zero.

What do you propose they do? Overthrow the government?

STFU perhaps?

As I said, this is just the kind of argument against free speech that really pisses me off. The Americans who've died in Iraq and in every other American war died, at least in theory, to protect our Constitutional rights, yet you want a large percentage of the American public to "STFU" because you don't like what they're saying. As a disabled veteran of a foreign war (albeit not THAT disabled), I tell you to STFU!

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: acemcmac
There is a very very plausable case for thermite in WTC 1, 2 and 7 and there were dozens of security cameras aimed at the pentigon that would have shown the impact and ended all of the cruise missile talk that the fed's are refusing to release (hotels, gas stations, etc).

These concerns are not baseless and the feds refusing to do anything to quell them only makes them look like they're really hiding something.

Tell that to American Airlines and thier missing airplane that hit the pentagon. Did the government assasinate the crew?

 

[adairusmc]

In other news, 36% of those polled have an IQ of less than 20.

 

[Unheard]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: acemcmac
There is a very very plausable case for thermite in WTC 1, 2 and 7 and there were dozens of security cameras aimed at the pentigon that would have shown the impact and ended all of the cruise missile talk that the fed's are refusing to release (hotels, gas stations, etc).

These concerns are not baseless and the feds refusing to do anything to quell them only makes them look like they're really hiding something.

Tell that to American Airlines and thier missing airplane that hit the pentagon. Did the government assasinate the crew?

Ugh... I thought I have covered this in all the other 9/11 threads. No the gov't did not kill them off. They are living in my basement along with JFK, Elvis, and Hitler.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: acemcmac
There is a very very plausable case for thermite in WTC 1, 2 and 7 and there were dozens of security cameras aimed at the pentigon that would have shown the impact and ended all of the cruise missile talk that the fed's are refusing to release (hotels, gas stations, etc).

These concerns are not baseless and the feds refusing to do anything to quell them only makes them look like they're really hiding something.

Tell that to American Airlines and thier missing airplane that hit the pentagon. Did the government assasinate the crew?

I wasn't sayng that the cruise missile case was strong. I'm only saying that the government isn't exactly helping the situation by keeping dozens of tapes that would shut everybody up under wraps.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Greenman
So 36% think the goverment was involved or allowed it to happen, and those same 36% will do nothing but cry about it. No matter how you cut it, the net effect is zero.

What do you propose they do? Overthrow the government?

STFU perhaps?

As I said, this is just the kind of argument against free speech that really pisses me off. The Americans who've died in Iraq and in every other American war died, at least in theory, to protect our Constitutional rights, yet you want a large percentage of the American public to "STFU" because you don't like what they're saying. As a disabled veteran of a foreign war (albeit not THAT disabled), I tell you to STFU!

The right to freedom of speech also grants me the right to say STFU. Oh, and stop using your veteran status to put yourself on the moral high ground.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Greenman
So 36% think the goverment was involved or allowed it to happen, and those same 36% will do nothing but cry about it. No matter how you cut it, the net effect is zero.

What do you propose they do? Overthrow the government?

STFU perhaps?

As I said, this is just the kind of argument against free speech that really pisses me off. The Americans who've died in Iraq and in every other American war died, at least in theory, to protect our Constitutional rights, yet you want a large percentage of the American public to "STFU" because you don't like what they're saying. As a disabled veteran of a foreign war (albeit not THAT disabled), I tell you to STFU!

I wouldn't support a law that didn't give them the right to their opinion. I agree with you. But that doesn't mean I can't want them to STFU, by the same right. Its not like I said "PASS A LAW NOW THAT PREVENTS CONSPIRACY THEORISTS FROM SPEAKING" No. But by the same token, I will continue to express my opinion by calling them what they are, asshats.

It doesn't help that I have yet to see a single intelligent person who actually believes the nonsense after doing all the research and viewing all the data from both sides. After doing such, its hard to find anything of any real concrete value to support the conspiracy nut jobs. I agree there are many things that should cause a person to pause, and take notice. Even after learning as much as I have on the matter, there are still many questions. But if a person is informed, has seen the same History Channel specials that I have - and even went a step further and verified the credentials of the people whose opinions were presented on said specials. Then its simply impossible to argue that the towers couldn't have collapsed on their own. I'm talking about some of THE foremost experts in structural engineering - people that build buildings on the scale that the twin towers were built on - that flat out said that the towers collapsed because of all of these reasons (not going to explain for the nut jobs), and wouldn't have needed any sort of explosives.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Greenman
So 36% think the goverment was involved or allowed it to happen, and those same 36% will do nothing but cry about it. No matter how you cut it, the net effect is zero.

What do you propose they do? Overthrow the government?

STFU perhaps?

As I said, this is just the kind of argument against free speech that really pisses me off. The Americans who've died in Iraq and in every other American war died, at least in theory, to protect our Constitutional rights, yet you want a large percentage of the American public to "STFU" because you don't like what they're saying. As a disabled veteran of a foreign war (albeit not THAT disabled), I tell you to STFU!

The right to freedom of speech also grants me the right to say STFU. Oh, and stop using your veteran status to put yourself on the moral high ground.

Thank you.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

The right to freedom of speech also grants me the right to say STFU. Oh, and stop using your veteran status to put yourself on the moral high ground.

As I said, I don't support the conspiracy theories, but I think it's absolutely critical that people are free to discuss these issues without mockery. The only reason people are so afraid of these discussions, IMO, is that they the very idea they might be true makes people very very uncomfortable. This is the same reason people are so censorious of the idea of a conspiracy in the JFK assassination, in spite of the fact there is such persuasive evidence to support it. The voices shouting "STFU" are, IMO, cowardly and sad, and you fit squarely into that category, along with many others in this thread.

It's disappointing so many Americans are afraid to think for themselves, and are so insecure about even entertaining dissenting ideas. We have fallen very far in that respect, since the days of the founding fathers.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

The right to freedom of speech also grants me the right to say STFU. Oh, and stop using your veteran status to put yourself on the moral high ground.

As I said, I don't support the conspiracy theories, but I think it's absolutely critical that people are free to discuss these issues without mockery. The only reason people are so afraid of these discussions, IMO, is that they the very idea they might be true makes people very very uncomfortable. This is the same reason people are so censorious of the idea of a conspiracy in the JFK assassination, in spite of the fact there is such persuasive evidence to support it. The voices shouting "STFU" are, IMO, cowardly and sad, and you fit squarely into that category.

Actually, the whole JFK thing has finally been proven. The single bullet theory is 100% true. This was done by taking the square in which it happened, exactly as it was then, and recreating it EXACTLY in a computer model. Putting the gunman in the exact window he was in, having the bullet fired at the car on the exact trajectory (using the video footage we do have) and proving once and for a all that it was ONE bullet and ONE person.

Regardless, as I said - I agree with you. But saying that people should be able to discuss anything without mockery is foolish. I can only imagine your age, and the wisdom that should of come with it - but frankly, your making an entirely illogical argument - for what seems to me any way, to be only for the sake of arguing or seeing yourself type. PEOPLE WILL HAVE OPINIONS ON BOTH SIDES OF EVERY ISSUE. And my right to call these people whateverthehell I want to call them is just as important as their right to show how utterly retarded they are