9/11 conspiracy theorists multiply

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: DukeN
I think the "vaporization" of the engine, etc was the most laughable point put forward by the "authorities". That one hits home for me, the fact that they had literally no wreckage of the plane at all that crashed into the Pentagon.

Except that there's wreckage all over the damn place if you look at the immediate aftermath pictures. Or look at quotes from people who were there, and handled pieces of wreckage. One reporter held in his hand human body parts, and aircraft parts with identifiable markings, and there was even a nice section of nail with the COMPLETE N-NUMBER on it.

What you, and many others fail to realize is that the aircarft penetrated VERY deep into the structure - and that the structure is made out of bomb-shelter grade concrete with some pretty lookin' exterior cladding.

A plane has a very big mass, and a very high velocity. Thereby, it has a LOT of penetrating power, but due to it's low density and material strength, will break apart into lots of little tiny pieces as it does so, creating a fragmentation pattern. A missile has a very small mass, and a very high velocity. Missiles come in 3 varieties - airburst, impact burst, and depth penetration.

The pentagon was built with to prevent explosions on the outside from breeching the walls. A side effect of this construction is that any explosion INSIDE is going to be contained. Under no circumstances would you have seen a wall breech from any explosive weapon, with the exception of a penetration weapon. A penetration weapon could have punched through multiple rings, and exploded within one of them, but then there would only be small holes in the outer rings, and a gutted inner-ring. Nevermind that none of our penetration weapons can break through that much bunker concrete.

A basic "I watch the Discovery channel!" knowledge of military weapons will tell you all of this, and a basic understanding of high school physics will tell you the same.

This argument is of course explained away because "It's a top secret weapon!"

- You dont keep your weapons top secret these days, because they act as a deterrant. You keep your DELIVERY systems top secret so they can't be damaged, and the inner-workings secret. You sure as hell want your potential enemies to know what you can do to them if they cross you.

"That makes sense, but that's not the way it happened with this weapon!"

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: DukeN
I think the "vaporization" of the engine, etc was the most laughable point put forward by the "authorities". That one hits home for me, the fact that they had literally no wreckage of the plane at all that crashed into the Pentagon.

There are lots of pieces of wreckage, however, most people discount this fact because they want to believe in a conspiracy.

Show me evidence that an aluminum plane going 500+ MPH hitting the ground and *THEN* hitting blast-resistant re-barred concrete is going to make a bigger hole than is already there then I will believe you.

 

[DukeN]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: DukeN
I think the "vaporization" of the engine, etc was the most laughable point put forward by the "authorities". That one hits home for me, the fact that they had literally no wreckage of the plane at all that crashed into the Pentagon.

There are lots of pieces of wreckage, however, most people discount this fact because they want to believe in a conspiracy.

Show me evidence that an aluminum plane going 500+ MPH hitting the ground and *THEN* hitting blast-resistant re-barred concrete is going to make a bigger hole than is already there then I will believe you.

Its not the hole in the building part. Its the fact that they couldn't find the engine on either side at all. Especially if it hit the ground first and didn't explode when the plane hit the building as claimed.

I haven't seen any news report or anything referring to such debris from the plane.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
SP33 has been owned so many times in the past 2 days it isnt funny.

and i actually forgot about that one fact that keeps getting brought up, when watching the conspiracist movies.

the entire building never readched 0... there were still 30 or so stories that werent colapsed when they say it finishes collapsing...

and the image of the dust lower than the building is SOOO key.

Wow, you're still talking after I pwned you in the Avalanche thread where you kept linking to the wrong trucks?

30 stories? Try 16, rofl. Let's all help Mikey with math: 110-16 = 94.

Yes, because we can see how fast a building has collapsed through dust, right? rofl. Stop posting.

i kept linking to the wrong trucks?
bwahah, i kept linking to the top of the line. you were the dumbshlt linking to the Silverado HD compared to a Titan... and trying to compare prices.

lets also not forget that, in addition to those 16 stories, not every story vanished as it hit the ground, wasnt the pile of debris many many many feet high?

 

[HardcoreRobot]

most people are fcking dumb. are you suprised? imagine how dumb atot is, then multiply it by 100x. thats what you are dealing with.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DukeN

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: DukeN
I think the "vaporization" of the engine, etc was the most laughable point put forward by the "authorities". That one hits home for me, the fact that they had literally no wreckage of the plane at all that crashed into the Pentagon.

There are lots of pieces of wreckage, however, most people discount this fact because they want to believe in a conspiracy.

Show me evidence that an aluminum plane going 500+ MPH hitting the ground and *THEN* hitting blast-resistant re-barred concrete is going to make a bigger hole than is already there then I will believe you.

Its not the hole in the building part. Its the fact that they couldn't find the engine on either side at all. Especially if it hit the ground first and didn't explode when the plane hit the building as claimed.

I haven't seen any news report or anything referring to such debris from the plane.

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg2.html#Aircraft%20debris%20photos

 

[0roo0roo]

frankly anyone that believes such conspiracy nonsense should have their voting rights revocked. shows a fundamental inability to think rationally. and that so much of the world believes such nonsense shows what their opinion is worth.

 

[rikadik]

If the US government is such a conspiring entity, then why didn't they "find" WMDs in Iraq? That would've been a good idea.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
frankly anyone that believes such conspiracy nonsense should have their voting rights revocked. shows a fundamental inability to think rationally. and that so much of the world believes such nonsense shows what their opinion is worth.

This is a completely ridiculous sentiment that goes against everything the Constitution stands for.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
frankly anyone that believes such conspiracy nonsense should have their voting rights revocked. shows a fundamental inability to think rationally. and that so much of the world believes such nonsense shows what their opinion is worth.

This is a completely ridiculous sentiment that goes against everything the Constitution stands for.

well.. it's not like it would ever happen, but i totally see what OrooOroo is saying.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
frankly anyone that believes such conspiracy nonsense should have their voting rights revocked. shows a fundamental inability to think rationally. and that so much of the world believes such nonsense shows what their opinion is worth.

This is a completely ridiculous sentiment that goes against everything the Constitution stands for.

well.. it's not like it would ever happen, but i totally see what OrooOroo is saying.

I don't. We let Satanists, declared members of the Nazi party and convicted felons vote, as well as people who have sworn allegiance to foreign governments and vowed to overthrow our own. We don't take away the right to vote based on people's beliefs. If we did, I'd be more inclined to take it away from people who believe that the war in Iraq is an integral part of the "War on Terror," which I regard as far more patently obviously false than the conspiracy theories.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
frankly anyone that believes such conspiracy nonsense should have their voting rights revocked. shows a fundamental inability to think rationally. and that so much of the world believes such nonsense shows what their opinion is worth.

This is a completely ridiculous sentiment that goes against everything the Constitution stands for.

well.. it's not like it would ever happen, but i totally see what OrooOroo is saying.

I don't. We let Satanists, declared members of the Nazi party and convicted felons vote, as well as people who have sworn allegiance to foreign governments and vowed to overthrow our own. We don't take away the right to vote based on people's beliefs. If we did, I'd be more inclined to take it away from people who believe that the war in Iraq is an integral part of the "War on Terror," which I regard as far more patently obviously false than the conspiracy theories.

again, it's not going to happen, but it would be nice if anyone with the "fundamental inability to think rationally" wasn't allowed to help make decisions in this country.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
frankly anyone that believes such conspiracy nonsense should have their voting rights revocked. shows a fundamental inability to think rationally. and that so much of the world believes such nonsense shows what their opinion is worth.

This is a completely ridiculous sentiment that goes against everything the Constitution stands for.

well.. it's not like it would ever happen, but i totally see what OrooOroo is saying.

I don't. We let Satanists, declared members of the Nazi party and convicted felons vote, as well as people who have sworn allegiance to foreign governments and vowed to overthrow our own. We don't take away the right to vote based on people's beliefs. If we did, I'd be more inclined to take it away from people who believe that the war in Iraq is an integral part of the "War on Terror," which I regard as far more patently obviously false than the conspiracy theories.

again, it's not going to happen, but it would be nice if anyone with the "fundamental inability to think rationally" wasn't allowed to help make decisions in this country.

2 recent MSNBC polls with up-to-now results...

Do you believe any 9/11 conspiracy theories that indicate the U.S. government was involved? * 12927 responses

Yes, I believe there's evidence.
46%

No, that's ridiculous.
40%

I'm not sure.
13%

Source

Do you believe any of the conspiracy theories suggesting the U.S. government was somehow involved in 9/11? * 56037 responses

Yes. The government has left many questions unanswered about that day.
55%

No. These theories are absurd and disrespectful -- especially to those who lost their lives on 9/11.
39%

I'm not sure.
6%

Source

Rofl, so much for that idiotic, unconstitutional thought about not letting conspiracy believers vote, the powers that be would never deny that many votes. What's next, not letting an Arab in a voting booth because he could be preping a bomb while inside it? Yeah, keep flatout insulting the intelligence of what now must be millions of people domestically, we're at the point now where people you're related too could believe this stuff, dare to say your own relative is absent of rational thought to his/her face?

 

[Johntk5]

Originally posted by: lokiju
Polls are useless sources for factual data.

Polls are accurate at telling us what a percentage of the people believe.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

He teaches physics at a community college in the summer and 12th grade during the schoolyear, who really cares? The fact of the matter is that 94 floors fell as FAST AS A ROCK (8.4 seconds) would fall through thin air. The laws of Physics will not allow 94 floors of a building to fall on top of each other as fast a rock in thin air unless explosives were involved. If you believe anything otherwise then you are a naive moron and need to take a high school physics class.

You sure are gullible, but it doesn't surpise me that your dad is as dumb as you are, since the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

If you've ever seen structures fall, you'd see that once they begin to fall, they do in fact fall about as fast as gravity allows. When you account for the momentum that the falling structure has compared to the strength of the part of the structure that's still standing, you'd see that it can't possibly hold it up.

I've noticed that most of the gullible people who believe in conspiracy theories are college/HS students. They're often young, naive, and in a very impressionable state since they're still in school. Once they get out into the real world for a while, these idiotic beliefs will stop.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: K1052

The chief structural engineer for WTC1/WTC2 has been on the news, Nova, and the Discovery Channel to exlpain it. If he accepts that as enough than it is hard to argue with him IMO.

Bah!

What would the cheif structural engineer know? He only designed the buildings and knows them inside out!

You need to listen to the posts of dillusional students posting on the internet if you want to know the real truth.

 

[Squisher]

See Sig

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Well that's it for me, time for Number1 and 91TTZ to debunk every conspiracy there is with their tinfoil posts! Troll away gentalmen!

LOL

You're the moron who falls for every conspiracy theory out there, whether it's the JFK assassination, Moon landing, or WTC bombing.

I speak common sense, which is SEVERELY lacking nowadays. In fact, in the last thread which I thoroughly owned you, you spoke with confidence that P&N was my hiding spot and that I should go back there. When I completely owned your ass and showed you that out of my 7,500 posts I only posted in 7 threads, you instantly backtracked.

I think somewhere in your development, your brain never developed the ability to discern fact from fiction. In your warped mind, they're all equally valid.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I don't. We let Satanists, declared members of the Nazi party and convicted felons vote, as well as people who have sworn allegiance to foreign governments and vowed to overthrow our own. We don't take away the right to vote based on people's beliefs. If we did, I'd be more inclined to take it away from people who believe that the war in Iraq is an integral part of the "War on Terror," which I regard as far more patently obviously false than the conspiracy theories.

convicted felons aren't supposed to be voting

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

2 recent MSNBC polls with up-to-now results...

Do you believe any 9/11 conspiracy theories that indicate the U.S. government was involved? * 12927 responses

Yes, I believe there's evidence.
46%

No, that's ridiculous.
40%

I'm not sure.
13%

Source

Do you believe any of the conspiracy theories suggesting the U.S. government was somehow involved in 9/11? * 56037 responses

Yes. The government has left many questions unanswered about that day.
55%

No. These theories are absurd and disrespectful -- especially to those who lost their lives on 9/11.
39%

I'm not sure.
6%

Source

Rofl, so much for that idiotic, unconstitutional thought about not letting conspiracy believers vote, the powers that be would never deny that many votes. What's next, not letting an Arab in a voting booth because he could be preping a bomb while inside it? Yeah, keep flatout insulting the intelligence of what now must be millions of people domestically, we're at the point now where people you're related too could believe this stuff, dare to say your own relative is absent of rational thought to his/her face?

since voter turnout isn't any better than 50%, there is a decent chance that most of the people who would be disenfranchised don't vote anyway

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

again, it's not going to happen, but it would be nice if anyone with the "fundamental inability to think rationally" wasn't allowed to help make decisions in this country.

You mean you'd take the right to vote away from a sitting President? Treason!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: DonVito
I don't. We let Satanists, declared members of the Nazi party and convicted felons vote, as well as people who have sworn allegiance to foreign governments and vowed to overthrow our own. We don't take away the right to vote based on people's beliefs. If we did, I'd be more inclined to take it away from people who believe that the war in Iraq is an integral part of the "War on Terror," which I regard as far more patently obviously false than the conspiracy theories.

convicted felons aren't supposed to be voting

Incorrect. This is a common misconception. There is no federal law on this, and most states allow convicted felons to vote, once they have served their sentence and completed the terms of their probation.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: moshquerade

again, it's not going to happen, but it would be nice if anyone with the "fundamental inability to think rationally" wasn't allowed to help make decisions in this country.

You mean you'd take the right to vote away from a sitting President? Treason!

you have evidence that he has a fundamental inability to think rationally?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Incorrect. This is a common misconception. There is no federal law on this, and most states allow convicted felons to vote, once they have served their sentence and completed the terms of their probation.

all states but vermont and maine disallow convicted felons from voting in general, and only some, not most, have provisions whereby felons may regain privileges under specific circumstances. so, no, convicted felons in general aren't supposed to be voting.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

You mean you'd take the right to vote away from a sitting President? Treason!

you have evidence that he has a fundamental inability to think rationally?[/quote]

Unfortunately since he's never written anything of note, I can only resort to evidence that proves he has a fundamental inability to speak rationally. I have to conclude that at least part of the reason he is more or less completely incoherent in extemporaneous speech is that he isn't thinking clearly.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Well that's it for me, time for Number1 and 91TTZ to debunk every conspiracy there is with their tinfoil posts! Troll away gentalmen!

LOL

You're the moron who falls for every conspiracy theory out there, whether it's the JFK assassination, Moon landing, or WTC bombing.

I speak common sense, which is SEVERELY lacking nowadays. In fact, in the last thread which I thoroughly owned you, you spoke with confidence that P&N was my hiding spot and that I should go back there. When I completely owned your ass and showed you that out of my 7,500 posts I only posted in 7 threads, you instantly backtracked.

I think somewhere in your development, your brain never developed the ability to discern fact from fiction. In your warped mind, they're all equally valid.

ROFL

I don't believe in the moon landing hoax you simple, stupid little hermit.

I speak critical thinking, which is SEVERELY frowned upon nowadays. In fact, in the last thread which I actually proved you to be a moronic troll with no evidence to back up your claims (eg. I owned your pale skinned ass) I do remember you proved that you DIDN'T post in P&N regularly! OMG YOU WIN TEH ARGUEMENT! My theories still stand and you've shown yourself to be a debate-less asshole who I hope to see walking down South Steet one day.

I think you like living in this fairy tale world where there is no manipulation of facts or governments hiding information from us because it's for our own good. Nope, in your world everything is perfect and no one is corupt.

91TTZ, for once and for all.. WAKE UP!

:laugh:

Or don't, keep coming back with NOTHING.. I'll keep owning you, little man.

In this land of milk and honey which you live in you can still get a sour stomach, I'll happily keep posting here until you get acid indigestion from my posts, but you'll never once take me seriously or debate my ideas so I'll never take you seriously either (at least I tried, all you ever do is mock mock mock, that's why I'll always own you and you'll never debate me)

You show no emotion or kindness in any thread I find you in. All you do is ask sarcastic questions and make sarcastic posts. You take nothing seriously and are content believing what's already in your little mind because it's common sense to you, but sometimes sense isn't so common. At least I have friends on here, and other places, where people appreciate my silly, outgoing style and don't shun me for believing in 2 fvcking theories which are both evidence backed. I don't push this theory on anybody, and only backup those who get constantly get flamed for doing so, since it's obviously ATOT vs. 5 or 6 people.

Now for you to reply with "Gee, that's a nice long-winded post BV, but I still don't post in P&N you are teh delusional" There, I saved you a post.