9/11 conspiracy theorists multiply

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: DonVito
Incorrect. This is a common misconception. There is no federal law on this, and most states allow convicted felons to vote, once they have served their sentence and completed the terms of their probation.

all states but vermont and maine disallow convicted felons from voting in general, and only some, not most, have provisions whereby felons may regain privileges under specific circumstances. so, no, convicted felons in general aren't supposed to be voting.

This is completely inaccurate. The laws you are speaking of relate to inmates, not convicted felons. Only Kentucky, Virginia and D.C. permanently prohibit voting rights for felons. See this article for info.

 

[ElFenix]

law.com says otherwise

righttovote.com disagrees with law.com

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
law.com says otherwise

They are summarizing the law in an overbroad, inaccurate way. See the article I cited above, which summarizes the state of the law as of Aug 06.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Actually, the whole JFK thing has finally been proven. The single bullet theory is 100% true. This was done by taking the square in which it happened, exactly as it was then, and recreating it EXACTLY as a computer model. Putting the loan gunman in the exact window he was in, having the bullet fired at the car exactly where it happened (using the video footage we do have) and proving once and for a all that it was ONE bullet and ONE person.

Regardless, as I said - I agree with you. But saying that people should be able to discuss anything without mockery is foolish. I can only imagine your age, and the wisdom that should of come with it - but frankly, your making an entirely illogical argument - for what seems to me any way, to be only for the sake of arguing or seeing yourself type. PEOPLE WILL HAVE OPINIONS ON BOTH SIDES OF EVERY ISSUE. And my right to call these people whateverthehell I want to call them is just as important as their right to show how utterly retarded they are

I stand by what I said before - I see you and others who marginalize others for their views on 9/11 as cowards. Many of my friends and I have served in combat zones since 9/11 (actually I was sent to a classified location in the Middle East on 9/28/01, on one day's notice, in support of OEF) to ensure that all Americans retain the rights granted them under the Constitution. That said, many, even most Americans are so afraid that they are happy to surrender these rights because true free speech makes them uncomfortable.

I understand your point that there's a difference between informally quashing free speech by saying "STFU," and enacting legislation prohibiting free speech, but the effect is essentially the same - you want to eliminate public dissent from the party line. As I said, I think your rhetoric along these lines is weak, as is the rationale behind it.

As long as we're going down the road of being personally insulting (something you elected to start), I take it from your childishly poor spelling that you are either very young or lack formal education or both. This may have something to do with your inability to tolerate and digest views different from your own. I think there is literally nothing more important to the preservation of American values than dissent, and in the immortal words of President Bush, I say "bring it on!"

A much more calm and collected viewpoint than many here in Piss and Moan.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
SP33 has been owned so many times in the past 2 days it isnt funny.

and i actually forgot about that one fact that keeps getting brought up, when watching the conspiracist movies.

the entire building never readched 0... there were still 30 or so stories that werent colapsed when they say it finishes collapsing...

and the image of the dust lower than the building is SOOO key.

Wow, you're still talking after I pwned you in the Avalanche thread where you kept linking to the wrong trucks?

30 stories? Try 16, rofl. Let's all help Mikey with math: 110-16 = 94.

Yes, because we can see how fast a building has collapsed through dust, right? rofl. Stop posting.

It's been shown to you again and again why the claims in loose change are flat wrong. Not only are the claims of how long it took the building to fall off by at least 5 seconds (an intentional lie by Loose Change), but the claims that the buildings fell as fast as a free fall are absurd. The debris ejected to the sides is clearly falling faster than the building itself. Much faster.

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg3.html#Freefall%20fraud? Time Marker 35:30

Stop pressing this completely absurd point.

 

[waggy]

i do beleive it is possible the goverment woudl think of doing something like this to promote its agenda. BUT i do not beleive they are competant enough to carry it out. I just do not see them being able to keep everyone quite that needs to be.

but i agree with the poster who said we have the right to tell them to stfu. just as they have the right to claim the conspiracy.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
The same was done for the towers' collapse, on the same progrma. Any qualified structural engineer would say the same. And yet you, and other simple Americans think they are better qualified. HTF is their a plausable case for thermite considering I have yet to see a single qualified person raise this theory, only the dim witted conspiracy people.

There's the problem... too many people go with their gut instincts rather than listen to the advice of the real experts. And, sometimes when there are two opposing groups of "experts", people aren't smart enough to figure out which set of experts is telling the truth and which set of "experts" has an underlying reason for making their claim.

I just posted this recently in another thread:
There are people who believe the earth is flat.
There are people who believe man never made it to the moon.
There are (or rather, were) people who believe a spaceship is waiting for them behind a comet.
There are people who believe the earth is under 10,000 years old.

No amount of evidence convinces these people otherwise. They completely turn off their ability to think logically. (What did they do? Sneak a couple tons of explosives into the WTC, and drill into all the beams, supports, etc. while everyone was taking a coffee break? It takes a lot of prep work to properly position explosives to bring down a building - especially if you don't want it to look like an explosion, which it didn't)

All the rest of us can do is point a finger at them and laugh... Consider them to be a source of entertainment and pray that they don't run the world.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I don't believe any conspiracies but I DO KNOW that explosives were used to bring down the WTC Towers. My dad is a physics teacher and shows this to his class as well:
Text

How the explosives got there, I don't know nor care but if you think that "frame was melted by fire" or "collapsed on its own" then you're a moron. The laws of Physics clearly show that it was impossible for the WTC to collapse that fast without explosives.

Your dad should lose his job.

The elevator shafts were staggared every few floors in the WTC, the collapsing tower forced thousands of cubic meters of air out of those shafts in a span of seconds. Even your damn empty head could figure it out.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I don't believe any conspiracies but I DO KNOW that explosives were used to bring down the WTC Towers. My dad is a physics teacher and shows this to his class as well:
Text

How the explosives got there, I don't know nor care but if you think that "frame was melted by fire" or "collapsed on its own" then you're a moron.

So we have fvcking retard #2 and #3 now. But I guess one was bred from the other, so we'll just count them as one.

The fact is, physics can only be applied to structural engineering. It doesn't make an expert of physics an expert of structural engineering. What grade, class, and school does your dad teach any way? There is a huge difference between say a 7th grade physics teacher and a theoretical Physics professor at MIT. Maybe you can provide your dad with more credibility - but I doubt it

He teaches physics at a community college in the summer and 12th grade during the schoolyear, who really cares? The fact of the matter is that 94 floors fell as FAST AS A ROCK (8.4 seconds) would fall through thin air. The laws of Physics will not allow 94 floors of a building to fall on top of each other as fast a rock in thin air unless explosives were involved. If you believe anything otherwise then you are a naive moron and need to take a high school physics class.

Its only 8.4 seconds if you are retarded.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I don't believe any conspiracies but I DO KNOW that explosives were used to bring down the WTC Towers. My dad is a physics teacher and shows this to his class as well:
Text

How the explosives got there, I don't know nor care but if you think that "frame was melted by fire" or "collapsed on its own" then you're a moron. The laws of Physics clearly show that it was impossible for the WTC to collapse that fast without explosives.

Your dad should lose his job.

The elevator shafts were staggared every few floors in the WTC, the collapsing tower forced thousands of cubic meters of air out of those shafts in a span of seconds. Even your damn empty head could figure it out.

Didn't you know? Accordions are a government conspiracy too.

On a side note, I bet the ear drums of people on the lower floors burst. That much air pressure HAD to hurt.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I don't believe any conspiracies but I DO KNOW that explosives were used to bring down the WTC Towers. My dad is a physics teacher and shows this to his class as well:
Text

How the explosives got there, I don't know nor care but if you think that "frame was melted by fire" or "collapsed on its own" then you're a moron. The laws of Physics clearly show that it was impossible for the WTC to collapse that fast without explosives.

Your dad should lose his job.

The elevator shafts were staggared every few floors in the WTC, the collapsing tower forced thousands of cubic meters of air out of those shafts in a span of seconds. Even your damn empty head could figure it out.

Didn't you know? Accordions are a government conspiracy too.

On a side note, I bet the ear drums of people on the lower floors burst. That much air pressure HAD to hurt.

i don't think they were in much pain for long..

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I don't believe any conspiracies but I DO KNOW that explosives were used to bring down the WTC Towers. My dad is a physics teacher and shows this to his class as well:
Text

How the explosives got there, I don't know nor care but if you think that "frame was melted by fire" or "collapsed on its own" then you're a moron. The laws of Physics clearly show that it was impossible for the WTC to collapse that fast without explosives.

Your dad should lose his job.

The elevator shafts were staggared every few floors in the WTC, the collapsing tower forced thousands of cubic meters of air out of those shafts in a span of seconds. Even your damn empty head could figure it out.

Didn't you know? Accordions are a government conspiracy too.

On a side note, I bet the ear drums of people on the lower floors burst. That much air pressure HAD to hurt.

i don't think they were in much pain for long..

For the rest of their lives. That's long enough.

Time distortion during trauma can make seconds feel like forever.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
SP33 has been owned so many times in the past 2 days it isnt funny.

and i actually forgot about that one fact that keeps getting brought up, when watching the conspiracist movies.

the entire building never readched 0... there were still 30 or so stories that werent colapsed when they say it finishes collapsing...

and the image of the dust lower than the building is SOOO key.

Wow, you're still talking after I pwned you in the Avalanche thread where you kept linking to the wrong trucks?

30 stories? Try 16, rofl. Let's all help Mikey with math: 110-16 = 94.

Yes, because we can see how fast a building has collapsed through dust, right? rofl. Stop posting.

Again. You got owned. Forgetting mass in a physics formula like this is stupid. You owned yourself.
Now go cry to Daddy and get a new equation.

 

[SampSon]

These conspiracy theories arn't even remotely believeable, I'm not sure why people continue to subscribe to them.

I think that these people either love large scale sensationalistic fiction, or are just latching on to at anything in order to justify their disdain for this country/culture/government.
When a person simply cannot comprehend the magnitude of an event they will fabricate a situation in order to feel secure.

SP33Demon: I hope you weren't serious about your father being a physics teacher and actually showing thoes incredibly unfounded videos to his students. I know claiming that someone close to you is involved in a field of work you are arguing is an easy way of attempting to prove the validity of your statements (but typically turns out the person making that claim is full of sh!t). Though if it is true, then I'd really question your father's validity as an educator. As a scholar of any science, at any level, that person should have tremendous respect for the scientific method and critical thinking. From your claim it appears that your father does not have thoes qualities and is just another angry lefty who thinks it's his duty to push his agenda on students who look to him for education based on accepted/proven facts. I know if my child was in your father's class and they told me he was showing videos like that to them, I would be filing complaints with the board of education and his alumni.

 

[dwell]

I don't see how Bush can be both a total idiot and an evil genius, capable of orchestrating a conspiracy like 9/11. Which is it people?

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: SampSon
These conspiracy theories arn't even remotely believeable, I'm not sure why people continue to subscribe to them.

I think that these people either love large scale sensationalistic fiction, or are just latching on to at anything in order to justify their disdain for this country/culture/government.
When a person simply cannot comprehend the magnitude of an event they will fabricate a situation in order to feel secure.

SP33Demon: I hope you weren't serious about your father being a physics teacher and actually showing thoes incredibly unfounded videos to his students. I know claiming that someone close to you is involved in a field of work you are arguing is an easy way of attempting to prove the validity of your statements (but typically turns out the person making that claim is full of sh!t). Though if it is true, then I'd really question your father's validity as an educator. As a scholar of any science, at any level, that person should have tremendous respect for the scientific method and critical thinking. From your claim it appears that your father does not have thoes qualities and is just another angry lefty who thinks it's his duty to push his agenda on students who look to him for education based on accepted/proven facts. I know if my child was in your father's class and they told me he was showing videos like that to them, I would be filing complaints with the board of education and his alumni.

I hate it when we're on the same page.

 

[BW86]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Greenman
So 36% think the goverment was involved or allowed it to happen, and those same 36% will do nothing but cry about it. No matter how you cut it, the net effect is zero.

What do you propose they do? Overthrow the government?

STFU perhaps?

As I said, this is just the kind of argument against free speech that really pisses me off. The Americans who've died in Iraq and in every other American war died, at least in theory, to protect our Constitutional rights, yet you want a large percentage of the American public to "STFU" because you don't like what they're saying. As a disabled veteran of a foreign war (albeit not THAT disabled), I tell you to STFU!

:thumbsup:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BW86

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Greenman
So 36% think the goverment was involved or allowed it to happen, and those same 36% will do nothing but cry about it. No matter how you cut it, the net effect is zero.

What do you propose they do? Overthrow the government?

STFU perhaps?

As I said, this is just the kind of argument against free speech that really pisses me off. The Americans who've died in Iraq and in every other American war died, at least in theory, to protect our Constitutional rights, yet you want a large percentage of the American public to "STFU" because you don't like what they're saying. As a disabled veteran of a foreign war (albeit not THAT disabled), I tell you to STFU!

:thumbsup:

What, are you now telling him he doesn't have the freedom to say STFU to other people?

Hypocrite.

The conspiracy idiots can rant about myths, fantasies and lies, and he can say STFU. It's all free speech.

No where does he say the government should limit their speech. He says STFU.

The freedom of speech does NOT come without the consequence of public disapproval, shunning, and ridicule.

 

[DrPizza]

SpeeDemon, I agree with SampSon.

Furthermore, you seem to have a huge logical flaw in your reasoning.

You reason that it would take MUCH longer for the building to fall, unless there were explosive charges. I believe it was you who said something like

Physics says the building should have taken 0.5-1s per floor to fall. 94/2 = 47 seconds, not 8.4.

But then,

I never said that I believed explosives were set on every floor, of course that is preposterous.

So, IF your physics IS correct, then EVERY floor that didn't have explosives on it would have increased the total time of collapse by .5 to 1 seconds. Your two statements are unreconcilable. I can't believe no one has pointed that out to you yet.

Seriously... think about this for a for a few minutes. And, you claim that the total time was close to the total time for a falling rock. (it wasn't) Well, guess what... if the building collapsed that fast, then EVERY floor without explosives must have collapsed that fast, i.e. the existence or absence of explosives has no effect on collapse time.


Quite honestly, I can see how some people could be convinced that explosives were necessary. (Not that I believe that). However, it boils down to an issue of what started the chain reaction - the floors collapsing independently due to weakened steel, damage, or the floors collapsing due to explosives. Regardless of the cause, those first few floors collapsed and started a whole chain reaction. Unless there were explosives on every floor, a charge that you consider preposterous, then using the total time for the collapse of the trade center to prove the existence of explosives is ridiculous.. Furthermore, and this statement isn't coming out of no where; it's been established in the past on these forums: *I* teach physics (and math). I could teach at the local community college if there was an opening. If your father was teaching these conspiracy theories as fact in his physics classes at the local community college, I guarantee there would be an opening. If ANY of my colleagues were showing films such as the one you claim your father showed to students and those colleagues claimed that it was proof of a conspiracy to their students, then I'd be working hard to inform the community, board of education, and everyone else concerned about the education of the children. I find it to be a greater disservice than teaching intelligent design.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Well that's it for me, time for Number1 and 91TTZ to debunk every conspiracy there is with their tinfoil posts! Troll away gentalmen!

LOL

You're the moron who falls for every conspiracy theory out there, whether it's the JFK assassination, Moon landing, or WTC bombing.

I speak common sense, which is SEVERELY lacking nowadays. In fact, in the last thread which I thoroughly owned you, you spoke with confidence that P&N was my hiding spot and that I should go back there. When I completely owned your ass and showed you that out of my 7,500 posts I only posted in 7 threads, you instantly backtracked.

I think somewhere in your development, your brain never developed the ability to discern fact from fiction. In your warped mind, they're all equally valid.

ROFL

I don't believe in the moon landing hoax you simple, stupid little hermit.

I speak critical thinking, which is SEVERELY frowned upon nowadays. In fact, in the last thread which I actually proved you to be a moronic troll with no evidence to back up your claims (eg. I owned your pale skinned ass) I do remember you proved that you DIDN'T post in P&N regularly! OMG YOU WIN TEH ARGUEMENT! My theories still stand and you've shown yourself to be a debate-less asshole who I hope to see walking down South Steet one day.

I think you like living in this fairy tale world where there is no manipulation of facts or governments hiding information from us because it's for our own good. Nope, in your world everything is perfect and no one is corupt.

91TTZ, for once and for all.. WAKE UP!

:laugh:

Or don't, keep coming back with NOTHING.. I'll keep owning you, little man.

In this land of milk and honey which you live in you can still get a sour stomach, I'll happily keep posting here until you get acid indigestion from my posts, but you'll never once take me seriously or debate my ideas so I'll never take you seriously either (at least I tried, all you ever do is mock mock mock, that's why I'll always own you and you'll never debate me)

You show no emotion or kindness in any thread I find you in. All you do is ask sarcastic questions and make sarcastic posts. You take nothing seriously and are content believing what's already in your little mind because it's common sense to you, but sometimes sense isn't so common. At least I have friends on here, and other places, where people appreciate my silly, outgoing style and don't shun me for believing in 2 fvcking theories which are both evidence backed. I don't push this theory on anybody, and only backup those who get constantly get flamed for doing so, since it's obviously ATOT vs. 5 or 6 people.

Now for you to reply with "Gee, that's a nice long-winded post BV, but I still don't post in P&N you are teh delusional" There, I saved you a post.

Gee, that's a nice long-winded post BV, but I still don't post in P&N you are teh delusional

 

[91TTZ]

Here are my views on this.

Is our government hiding anything? Yes. They are hiding the elements which showed their incompetence during and following the hijacks, much like they did during Katrina. Of course politicians are going to try to cover up their mistakes following the event, but that doesn't mean that they had any devious part in the event.

Did our government have anything to do with the bombing? No. Not only is it a far-fetched idea, it would be political suicide for everyone involved. Besides, if the terrorists hated the US and its administration so much that they wanted to fly planes into our buildings, wouldn't they jump at the opportunity to point to our complicity in this? That would be a doubleshot against the US- hit our buildings and bring down the administration by doublecrossing the gov and ratting out their complicity. But that never happened, and they never said that.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Here are my views on this.

Is our government hiding anything? Yes. They are hiding the elements which showed their incompetence during this situation, much like they did during Katrina.

Did our government have anything to do with the bombing? No. Not only is it a far-fetched idea, it would be political suicide for everyone involved. Besides, if the terrorists hated the US and its administration so much that they wanted to fly planes into our buildings, wouldn't they jump at the opportunity to point to our complicity in this? That would be a doubleshot against the US- hit our buildings and bring down the administration. But that never happened, and they never said that.

Your wording is sketchy. "Did our government have anything to do with the bombing?" implies there were bombs. We were never "bombed" that day, dispite people refering to the attack as a bombing for weeks after 9/11. They let this happen AND covered up the aftermath, everything in between including how much of a role they played in preparing for the attacks we can debate for years but will never convince each other. But the warnings were there, multiple warnings from some higher up people, warnings from foreign governments, they were told this would happened and didn't do anything to prevent it.

This is the most powerful nation in the world with agencies devoted for knowing about when things like this go down, and if the Mossad knew (Israel's spy agency) then you can bet your life savings the USA did too. Afterall, Israel is our ally (even though their intelligence agents were on the roof of a building, filming and celebrating as the towers fell. :| ) That's not incompetence, that's blatent ignorance and enough initial evidence for me to question intentional sabotage. Northwoods being 2 signatures away from fruition proves it was 'thought of' in the past to use false-flag terrorism to invade a country and look how close it came to being approved, during the JFK administration I might add.

Oh yeah, and answering your own question "Is our government hiding anything? Yes." suggests conspiracy! Dude, you've been insulting me, mocking me, and hounding me the whole time like we're from two separate worlds, but now you say they ARE hiding information! You thinking they lied or omitted certain truths == government coverup == form of limited government conspiracy. Albiet you say it's just to cover their own imcompetent asses, I think the ones who didn't know about the attacks DID try to cover their own ass, while people "in the know" didn't need to cover their ass, they just needed to re-cover the evidence (WTC steel, Pentagon crash security tapes, etc.). I don't think a missle hit the Pentagon, I do think Flight 93 was shot down, the rest is up in the air. All we need is an independant investigation to make the conspiracies go away, until then I'm not buying what the 9/11 Commission is selling because it's product description is lacking at best and inconclusive at worse.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Here are my views on this.

Is our government hiding anything? Yes. They are hiding the elements which showed their incompetence during this situation, much like they did during Katrina.

Did our government have anything to do with the bombing? No. Not only is it a far-fetched idea, it would be political suicide for everyone involved. Besides, if the terrorists hated the US and its administration so much that they wanted to fly planes into our buildings, wouldn't they jump at the opportunity to point to our complicity in this? That would be a doubleshot against the US- hit our buildings and bring down the administration. But that never happened, and they never said that.

Your wording is sketchy. "Did our government have anything to do with the bombing?" implies there were bombs. We were never "bombed" that day, dispite people refering to the attack as a bombing for weeks after 9/11. They let this happen AND covered up the aftermath, everything in between including how much of a role they played in preparing for the attacks we can debate for years but will never convince each other. But the warnings were there, multiple warnings from some higher up people, warnings from foreign governments, they were told this would happened and didn't do anything to prevent it.

This is the most powerful nation in the world with agencies devoted for knowing about when things like this go down, and if the Mossad knew (Israel's spy agency) then you can bet your life savings the USA did too. Afterall, Israel is our ally (even though their intelligence agents were on the roof of a building, filming and celebrating as the towers fell. :| ) That's not incompetence, that's blatent ignorance and enough initial evidence for me to question intentional sabotage. Northwoods being 2 signatures away from fruition proves it was 'thought of' in the past to use false-flag terrorism to invade a country and look how close it came to being approved, during the JFK administration I might add.

Oh yeah, and answering your own question "Is our government hiding anything? Yes." suggests conspiracy! Dude, you've been insulting me, mocking me, and hounding me the whole time like we're from two separate worlds, but now you say they ARE hiding information! You thinking they lied or omitted certain truths == government coverup == form of limited government conspiracy. Albiet you say it's just to cover their own imcompetent asses, I think the ones who didn't know about the attacks DID try to cover their own ass, while people "in the know" didn't need to cover their ass, they just needed to re-cover the evidence (WTC steel, Pentagon crash security tapes, etc.). I don't think a missle hit the Pentagon, I do think Flight 93 was shot down, the rest is up in the air. All we need is an independant investigation to make the conspiracies go away, until then I'm not buying what the 9/11 Commission is selling because it's product description is lacking at best and inconclusive at worse.

You missed the point of my thread. I don't think the US government had anything at all to do with the terrorists hijacking the planes and flying them into the buildings.

I'm saying that the government was just inept, and they're trying to hide that fact. They want people to believe that they have all this information about everything, but in reality they don't.

They want to maintain an illusion of security, intelligence, and control, but an event like this illustrates that it's much easier to pull off a major crime than you might think.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ


You missed the point of my thread. I don't think the US government had anything at all to do with the terrorists hijacking the planes and flying them into the buildings.

I'm saying that the government was just inept, and they're trying to hide that fact. They want people to believe that they have all this information about everything, but in reality they don't.

They want to maintain an illusion of security, intelligence, and control, but an event like this illustrates that it's much easier to pull off a major crime than you might think.

I can agree with this to a point. Whenever something goes wrong, and someone (or many someones) along the way drops the ball it's always CYA time. I wouldn't call it a conspiracy or master plan as much as I would just a bunch of people covering their own asses.

And the ball has been dropping for over a decade before 9/11. IMO, there are too many people to blame. It was just a general lack of concern among the people who made the decisions.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
SP33 has been owned so many times in the past 2 days it isnt funny.

and i actually forgot about that one fact that keeps getting brought up, when watching the conspiracist movies.

the entire building never readched 0... there were still 30 or so stories that werent colapsed when they say it finishes collapsing...

and the image of the dust lower than the building is SOOO key.

Wow, you're still talking after I pwned you in the Avalanche thread where you kept linking to the wrong trucks?

30 stories? Try 16, rofl. Let's all help Mikey with math: 110-16 = 94.

Yes, because we can see how fast a building has collapsed through dust, right? rofl. Stop posting.

Again. You got owned. Forgetting mass in a physics formula like this is stupid. You owned yourself.
Now go cry to Daddy and get a new equation.

Are you still talking? I ignored you the first time since it's common knowledge that mass does not factor into this equation once the towers have started falling.

In 1586, Simon Stevin reported that different weights fell a given distance in the same time. His experiments were conducted using two lead balls, one being ten times the weight of the other, which he dropped thirty feet from the church tower in Delft.

Never done a Falling Bodies Experiment, have we? Now kindly stfu.